User talk:Johnbkidd

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Speedy deletion nomination of Global Arab Business Meeting


A tag has been placed on Global Arab Business Meeting, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Business for more information.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Global Russia Business Meeting


A tag has been placed on Global Russia Business Meeting, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Business for more information.

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Global meeting articles
All of those articles have been deleted - truthfully, the best way to proceed is to write about them within the main Horasis and if the sources ever warrant it, they might eventually be split off to separate articles. At this stage, trying to recreate them as seperate articles is likely to lead to them being swiftly deleted again. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:35, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

We are a general readers encyclopedia - while it might be fascinating to the people involved to list every aspect of the meetings,and you think that it should be 'factually reported' it's trivial information to us - you'd be better off hosting this stuff on your own website or setting up a blog. I saw nothing in the original articles that would require a separate article for each or indeed anything more than a couple of lines in the main article, clearly the deleting administrator agreed with that view. More than that - as someone connected to the organisation, we generally prefer you don't edit the article yourself because of the conflict of interest. If something is really notable, then someone unconnected to it will write about it. --Cameron Scott (talk) 20:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

If Johnbkidd is not blocked, your IP address (90.50.213.172) or range may have been blocked. Please check here. If this is the case, please copy and paste the following text to the bottom of your user talk page.

Hi I am guilty of Sock puppetry which I did innocently. Multiple sign-ons for an intermittent new user seemed OK to me - but not to you. Now, looking at your explanations of both sock and meat puppetry suggests a person that I am not – at least by design. I am quite happy to have a single log-in as this one in the future, so I can proceed with rebuilding the Horasis wiki.

I am johnbkidd whom you have blocked on this PCs’ ID

Your data is •	IP address: 90.50.213.172 •	•	Blocking admin: AGK •	•	Autoblock ID: 3726859 •	•	Original block reason: Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Johnbkidd". The reason given for Johnbkidd's block is: "Abusing multiple accounts". •	•	Your account name (if you have one): johnbkidd - - I think this is to what you refer in this line. Is it? Multiple accounts? This may be correct - if you are referring to my innocent use of several names as follows (but no other names are used by me). Jeanduboiscom LimeGreen&purple Boiscoupe TonyorEllie AndyorPandy

To this I plead guilty – but I did this, not to create a false impression, but out of innocence of your rules on multi-names not as a Sockpuppet nor as a Meatpuppet.

Please reinstate johnbkidd as a rightful user of this ID for Wiki editing as it is my own single use PC.

Johnbkidd (talk) 23:17, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

An unblock request
Johnbkidd (talk) 23:25, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Our concerns
In terms of you being unblocked - that is unlikely to happen - using multiple accounts is a bright-line no-no as far as wikipedia is concerned as it allows an editor to indicate that they have a false consensus to all material. The wider problem is that it's clear that there is off-site coordination being employed - that is to say, accounts are being created specifically to create content which is of benefit to Horasis - a number of new or inactive ones popped up yesterday (the patterns are obvious to spot). This is attracting the action of more and more experienced editors and it is likely if it continues that we will start using some of the other powers we have to discourage such activities - the most common of which is to lock the Horasis articles to new editors. --Cameron Scott (talk) 07:55, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Cameron Yesterday (30th Nov) I was attempting to have my block removed and any log-ins were only with johnbkidd - from this PC with the ID you have noted IP address: 90.50.213.172

Thus your concerns are mine too – as I do not know who might be working on those accounts.

I have not explicitly tried to be of benefit to Horasis in reporting the several meetings, noting also their future meeting dates. In the first instance it was my innocence of your rules that allowed me to create multiple accounts – it looked reasonable so to do. Now I have read your rules and see, sensibly, that only one name is permitted. I am sorry this bother has occurred and is causing extra work for you all.

Your blocking of me seems to have been mixed up with your investigation of Dewritech and Dundswk. These names have nothing to do with me, though they have worked upon the Horasis wiki; mostly benevolently as far as I was concerned.

I can only suggest that you block all my names and that ought to stop the interference. Perhaps then I may be allowed to continue to be a Wiki contributor using a single new name? Johnbkidd (talk) 09:21, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

All your other accounts are already blocked, I'll make representations to the blocking administrator on your behalf to see if you can continue to use this account (and of course you must only use this account). --Cameron Scott (talk) 09:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Cameron I would be happier to have ALL my accounts blocked - this one afer a while if it is unblocked (when I instruct 'you' after I have created a new name). In this way we all may be assured that no one else is messing around with my work. Thank you so far - John Johnbkidd (talk) 09:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

This is the way that would happen - we'd get this account unblocked, you would 'retire' it and then start a new account. As long as it's done in that order, there is no problem. --Cameron Scott (talk) 09:40, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Johnbkidd, I will tell you what the worst problem is in my opinion: Around the same time that you were asking to have your (French) IP address unblocked, an anonymous editor from Zurich essentially continued your work. And another sock puppet became active. If this was your CEO, tell him to stop immediately, as he is doing a lot of damage. This was either two people editing at the same time or one person trying to create that illusion. In both cases it's a very bad sign.
 * I think after this experience nobody here will be happy with anyone even remotely related to Horasis editing any of the articles on Horasis, its staff or its activities. I.e. the only way for you to get unblocked would probably to accept an indefinite topic ban on anything too close to Horasis. (Indefinite does not mean infinite. There would be a chance to lift such an indefinite ban after half a year or so provided that by then you would have gained the community's trust through good work in other areas.) Hans Adler 13:47, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you Hans. I contacted the CEO (who has been in Turkey and the UAE over the last days, and is now off to India).  I don't know now how to progress this sequence... Here is his e-mail to me after I asked if he was the unknown wiki-editor you mentioned above.

COPY of EMAIL: I am not, I do not know how to write on wiki. But I think I know who it is. Go on Guy Spier wiki. He got his own wiki and got too much into it I think. I will tell him to stop. Sitting on the plane, leaving in 2min END of EMAIL I leave all this to you as I am just floundering in the mystery. I do not know who was editing as the CEO of Horasis, Frank, says he does not know how to handle wiki: he was probably not doing so - I think he is truthful. Bye 90.11.127.141 (talk) 23:31, 1 December 2011 (UTC) Sorry I forgot to log-in and sign Johnbkidd (talk) 23:33, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * More- sorry. I noted the ID above is not the same as the one you have blocked, which was 90.50.213.172.  Clicking on the above locates me in the Cote d'Azure.  I am not I am in rual France, near Toulouse and am still using my PC as usual.  Does this help?

Johnbkidd (talk) 23:52, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * These geolocation functions are not very precise, so don't worry about that. And it's normal that your IP address changes occasionally when you are editing from home. Hans Adler 23:57, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, I think I must say at this point that I should not have insinuated that it might have been your CEO who did this. Someone said something that put me on the wrong track.
 * I am sorry for the unpleasant experience. We get spammed a lot and had to develop ways of dealing with that. I believe that you didn't want to spam and that it didn't occur to you and your colleagues that what you wrote here was spam. But for less notable organisations we do tend to draw that conclusion when there is too much detail that puts it into good light without imparting much real information. I am not sure that there is much more that we can do now. A number of articles have been deleted, and the others may see the same fate ultimately. If Horasis or its conferences get better known at some point in the future, I suggest that instead of just starting the old articles again, you first get in contact with the Wikipedia community. There is an official process for restoring deleted articles when a topic becomes more notable. As to edits to these articles, providing more experienced editors who don't have the conflict of interest with pointers to online reliable sources that they can use is better than editing yourself. Hans Adler 23:57, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Unblocked
I've unblocked this account as per your appeal on unblock-en-l; the blocking administrator has reviewed your appeal there and agrees you can be given a second chance, especially as you have admitted to the sockpuppetry and understand not to persist. You are restricted to using only this account; if you have a need for any other accounts, as defined in WP:SOCK, you may contact an administrator for advice, but do not create any further accounts without approval. I see that other editors have been working with you to resolve the conflict of interest concerns; I would encourage you to continue working with these users and in the meantime avoid editing articles or subjects where you have a conflict of interest. If you have any questions, or are still unable to edit, please let us know. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 01:37, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

About beginning again
By last December the Wiki community blocked this ID for 'sock puppetry' to which I pleaded guilty. I wish however to begin again to edit just two Wiki pages in particular: 'Horasis ' and Frank-Jurgen Richter '.

I am still not an employees of F-J Richter, the CEO of Horasis, but I attend many of his regional meetings and thus have knowledge that can lead to updating of the material in both of these sites. He wrote today to me to complain that material has been removed and added to both pages without his knowledge and which he would prefer not to have shown, and maybe even to revert to the former material. He does not edit Wiki himself and would like to nominate me to this task: I would like to be allowed to do this task.

I have understood, as I mentioned through November last in conversations with Cameron Scott and others that I would not in the future place adverts for Horasis, and would endeavour to not include 'puff' or none-copyright material in the revisions.

I would also like to delete this user ID [johnbkidd] and use some more general name. Your help doing this would be appreciated.

I look forward to your ensuing conversation.

Johnbkidd (talk) 13:29, 1 August 2013 (UTC)John


 * Reply to help me request: The template you used, help me, will attract the attention of regular users like me. But since unblocking and deleting users can only be handled by Administrators there is not much a regular user can do to help.  What you want is help from an administrator so you should use admin help to get help from a sysop. —     Bill W.     (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 17:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I am an administrator, but your account is not blocked.


 * You may request a change of username at WP:Changing username. Since that would be a rename of this account, it would not contravene your restriction to using only one account, which would still apply.


 * You say that Mr Richter has complained that "material has been removed and added to both pages without his knowledge and which he would prefer not to have shown". You (and Mr Richter) must understand that Wikipedia is not a place for people and organizations to tell the world about themselves. While we are anxious to get articles right (see the policy WP:Biographies of living persons), nobody "owns" or controls a Wikipedia article, least of all its subject. Even if not employed by Mr Richter, because of your previous involvement, and as you are editing at his request, you have, in respect of these articles, a Conflict of interest, and should carefully read that page and the Plain and simple conflict of interest guide.


 * In summary, you should not edit these articles directly, but you may make suggestions, and point out factual inaccuracies, on the article talk pages, declaring your interest and providing reliable sources to confirm what you say, and let uninvolved users decide what to do. If there is no response reasonably soon to your suggestions, place a helpme on the relevant talk page, to attract help.


 * Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)