User talk:Johnbv417

Mass Additions of http://.blackvault.com

 * Accounts

This is the only warning you will receive. Your recent insertion of spam, commercial content, and/or links is prohibited under policy. Any further spamming may result in your account and/or your IP address being blocked from editing Wikipedia. If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:
 * 1) editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
 * 2) participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors; and
 * 3) linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Spam).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see our conflict of interest guidelines. --Hu12 (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

How?
As I have been warned in the past, and told to take off my last user name, I have adhered to the rules that other mods have given me! I, very rarely, just offer an external link, and do so only with documents of interest.

In my contributions, I have submitted written text, that is neutral, and SOURCED. The Black Vault site has become known for rare, and never before seen documents obtained from the U.S. Government. The declassification stamp on many of the documents prove no one has ever seen them outside the U.S. Government before. It is for this reason I see them as a genuine contribution.

If I add the text, and no source. That's wrong. If I add the text with a source, that's now wrong too.

What can I do differently that will allow me to contribute? My source, albeit one site, is THE ONLY SITE THESE DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE FROM! This is verifiable by anyone... please, by all means, try and search for these OFFICIAL documents anywhere, and you will not find them.

So why is it I am in trouble?

--Johnbv417 (talk) 19:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Last week I received a letter from a veteran of one of the squadron histories I posted, and referenced in the Air Force section. He thanked me whole-heartedly for doing so, as he found his name listed in the registry, and he's never seen it. These documents are of value, they are neutral, and they are verifiable sources for the information put into the articles.


 * Neutrality is an important objective at Wikipedia. Unfortunately your conflict of interest editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote theblackvault.com. Such a conflict is strongly discouraged. Your contributions to wikipedia under Blackvault, Johnbv417 and IP 24.24.168.235, consist entirely of adding external links to theblackvault.com and is considered  WP:Spam. Looking through your contributions as a whole, the all seem to be theblackvault.com related only.  It has become apparent that your account's and IP's are only being used for spamming and for self-promotion.  Wikipedia is NOT a "repository of links" or a "vehicle for advertising" and persistent spammers will have their websites blacklisted. Any further spamming may result in your account and/or your IP address being blocked from editing Wikipedia.


 * Avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines.


 * Links to this site are repeatedly added and there has been significant breaches of policy by theblackvault.com.
 * Here are some violations relating to this situation:
 * SPAM
 * External link spamming
 * Source soliciting
 * How not to be a spammer
 * External links policy
 * Advertising and conflicts of interest
 * Conflict of interest
 * Editors who have a conflict of interest
 * Accounts used for promotion
 * Law Of Unintended Consequences
 * What Wikipedia is not
 * Wikipedia is not a directory
 * Wikipedia is not a repository for links
 * Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising
 * BLOCK
 * Persistent spamming
 * Accounts that appear, based on their edit history, to exist for the sole or primary purpose of promoting a person, company, product, service, or organization in apparent violation of Conflict of interest or anti-spam guidelines.


 * Conflict of interest isn't just a matter of Useful vs. non-useful, but about self-promotion in general. I hope you can see the problem here, why the decision about when it would be beneficial for articles to include particular links should not be left to the affiliates of those websites, but to neutral editors. I for one would suggest you don't actively pursue this further as its an apparent violation of Conflict of interest guidelines. Please read the bottom bullet point here.You're here to improve Wikipedia -- not just to funnel readers off Wikipedia and onto theblackvault.com, right?--Hu12 (talk) 22:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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