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February 2020
Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to William Joseph Cosens Lancaster, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * What this means is, we can't analyze or compare the works of Lancaster with G. A. Henty unless they have been explicitly analyzed or compared by secondary sources. Wikipedia is not a place to publish novel ideas or interpretations, it is a summary of existing established knowledge, presented in proportion to its prominence in the published record. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks you for the detail - yes, I accept that what you say is correct. I will remove it.Johncosgrave (talk) 15:26, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright
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 * There is no copyright material whatsoever on the page - everything is either in my own words or is an attributed quotation from a public domain source, and all are well over 100 years old in any case. Which items are you concerned about? Johncosgrave (talk) 15:24, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not the one who sent the above message, but the removed text appears identical, or nearly so (see close paraphrasing), to text which may be copyrighted. The summary you added appears to stem from user Nick Hodson's summary at Archive.org (or maybe originally to Project Gutenberg). Hodson's summary appears to have been repeated without attribution on other republishing websites (e.g. ). Although the copyright of Collingwood's original novel has expired, any subsequent annotations, introductions, or other derivative works can be copyrighted independently, and should assumed to be unfree unless explicitly stated otherwise (lack of a copyright notice anywhere for modern text does not imply a work is public domain). The license notice accompanying Hodson's upload to  Internet Archive only allows for non-commercial, non-derivative usage, which is inconsistent with reuse on Wikipedia (see Copying text from other sources). --Animalparty! (talk) 22:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it was probably paraphrased from my ePub description - which may have come from anywhere originally. I did it at the end of the day. I am working through the descriptions slowly to use more contemporary reviews and remove my own opinions. Johncosgrave (talk)

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Please delete this page, it was was not empty but empties when the category links were removed from individual articles and changes to Category:Members of the Royal Institute of Oil PaintersJohncosgrave (talk) 14:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

February 2020
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Yes, I keep forgetting about the Move option- It was only after posting the article that I remembered about the MOS advice on definite articles on page titlesJohncosgrave (talk) 15:30, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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I hope that thisis now sortedJohncosgrave (talk) 21:11, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

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Yes, please delete this. It was replaced by the Category:Members of the Royal Society of British Artists reflecting the current name of the society.Johncosgrave (talk) 11:27, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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Alice Corkran
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"Exhibition Road, South Kensington, London. Her leg was badly injured and she suffered from shock, and recovered only slowly."

If you can complete the sentence, please do - otherwise, it needs to be removed. Thank you, Jessicapierce (talk) 23:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your badly needed edits - and for spotting the orphan. I really need a better way of editing articles as in-line citations often lead to missing the wood for the trees. Thanks againJohncosgrave (talk) 15:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

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May 2020
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I was preparing a page on Francesca Maria Steele at the time. It is up now, so I have restored the disambiguation element. Thanks. Johncosgrave (talk) 11:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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now disambiguated

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Disambiguated Johncosgrave (talk) 11:50, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Citation styles
Hello! Please don't change citation styles as per WP:CITEVAR. Thanks, Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 18:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I have changed citation styles mostly on articles that I have created, converting them to LDR format because the resulting text is a lot less cluttered, and maintenance of citations is easier. I have done in also where I have been adding dozens of citations to stubs with less than a handful of citations. For future reference: what is the procedure for seeking consensus for such changes.Johncosgrave (talk) 09:53, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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I have disambiguated Western Mail to Western Mail

The bot had incorrectly identified Jisc as needing disambiguation. While JISC needs disambiguation Jisc does not. However, maybe the Jisc page should have a descriptor to the title.Johncosgrave (talk) 10:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

My error. As well as the good links to Jisc there was a link to JISC in a footnote.Johncosgrave (talk) 11:34, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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Both now disambiguated Johncosgrave (talk) 10:01, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started
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Yes, you are probably right. It is not just this page but the pages for Gilbert Scott Wright, and Louise Wright (illustrator). I have moved the bio detail to footnotes, as some may be interested. Basically I was trying to achieve a balance between the three siblings I have written articles on and the other four siblings, two of whom were artists. Johncosgrave (talk) 18:14, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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Changing citation style
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I did not think it would be an issues as: Johncosgrave (talk) 11:28, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I originally created the page.
 * I am the only one to have added citations to the page.
 * I wanted to tidy up where there were references to different pages in the same source.

Date ranges
Hi, I noticed that you had used snd between years on the page Robert Leighton. Please note that MOS:DATERANGE specifies that we use unspaced en-dashes for date ranges. I've changed that page, but you might want to check for similar edits that you might have made. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip - Yes, this may cover quite a few of my edits. Is there any tool for automatically checking and correcting?Johncosgrave (talk) 11:27, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Possible typo in quote
Please see my note on the talk page here. Thanks. --LilHelpa (talk) 23:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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Need spelling check.
Hi, and thanks for your contributions to the project. I ran across Walter Ernest Webster today and wonder about the spelling of his father's name. Can you check it please? If it is shown correctly it should be marked with Template:Not a typo. Thanks --LilHelpa (talk) 20:13, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I have checked and his father's third given name is spelled Waithman on his baptismal cert. I have corrected the article.Johncosgrave (talk) 09:16, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Dimsie Moves Up
Hi! The edit you made here has some poor grammar or typos in the quote which beg correction (proved→prove; make→made). Are they transcribed wrong or actually in the quote? --LilHelpa (talk) 13:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I have corrected proved to prove, but makes is makes.Johncosgrave (talk) 14:02, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Gilbert Scott Wright
Could you take another look at your edits at Gilbert Scott Wright? I've corrected what appear to be typos in your edits. I hope (but haven't checked) that what I assume to be carelessness isn't repeated elsewhere. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I obviously pasted in an infobox from another page I was working on and did not correct the dates. Thanks again.Johncosgrave (talk) 13:49, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Samuel Walkey
Please check the spelling on the source: St. James's Church. "Marriages solmenized in St James' in the Parish of Torpoint in the County of Cornwall in 1897". Thanks. --LilHelpa (talk) 18:37, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again for this. I have now corrected the spelling of both solemnized and St. Jame's.Johncosgrave (talk) 12:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Manual of style
Thanks for your attention to the R. Austin Freeman article. I'm not sure I read the manual of style section on capitalizing book titles the same way you do, so I've asked for additional input here. I'd welcome any comments might have as well. Best regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:11, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Never mind, the confusion over the "undo"s has been pointed out to me. Thanks again for your work on the article. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:55, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

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