User talk:Johnh677


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December 2010
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Hi John, When editing the wiki it is important for others if you state a reason for the  edit in the edit  summary box, such as  spelling or grammar  errors,  adding new sourced material , or if you determine information should not be deleted as it meets wiki  criteria ,  On the discussion pages of wiki  you need to sign at the end of your commentary  by simply using  four these ~ tildas. This will provide your user name and enables others to differinate your input from others. Information added cannot be your Point of View or personal opinions, it is important that information comes from well referenced sources which you may paraphrase and add the source from which it came with the use  reference brackets. Jayseer (talk) 21:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Jayseer (talk) 21:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

You are suspected of sockpuppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Sockpuppet investigations/MisterAlbert. Thank you. Mr Miles (talk) 00:55, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for sockpuppetry (User:Jayseer). If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text below this notice, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:19, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I got your email. Given the background of wanton sockpuppetry here, I don't believe you. Not a word of it. You're welcome to appeal the block. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

How can I appeal the block? I now see where I was acting as a meatpuppet and will cease this action, but I find it quite objectionable that you called me a liar. Especially since I just donated to help keep wiki from being funded by advertisers. You do realize that if advertisers can pay for editorial content, wikipedia would probably lose their last vestiges of legitimacy. This is my first interaction with wikimedia other than seeing results from search engines, and you have successfully made me regret my donation. You don't consider me a real person, next year, my money will not be real either. Johnh677 (talk) 20:19, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

unblock|reason=I am not a sock-puppet Johnh677 (talk) 20:30, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Since you think I am a liar, here is a copy of my donation reciept e-mail. Dear John,

Thank you for your gift of USD 20.00 to the Wikimedia Foundation, received on November 26, 2010. I’m very grateful for your support. Your donation celebrates everything Wikipedia and its sister sites stand for: the power of information to help people live better lives, and the importance of sharing, freedom, learning and discovery. Thank you so much for helping to keep these projects freely available for their nearly 400 million monthly readers around the world.

Your money supports technology and people. The Wikimedia Foundation develops and improves the technology behind Wikipedia and nine other projects, and sustains the infrastructure that keeps them up and running. The Foundation has a staff of about fifty, which provides technical, administrative, legal and outreach support for the global community of volunteers who write and edit Wikipedia. Many people love Wikipedia, but a surprising number don't know it's run by a non-profit. Please help us spread the word by telling a few of your friends.

And again, thank you for supporting free knowledge.

Sincerely Yours,

Sue Gardner Executive Director

I will be requesting a refund MondayJohnh677 (talk) 21:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

unblock|reason=I was accused of being a sock puppet. I realize that my updates made it seem I was a meat puppet. No one asked me create an account, but I did reply to a request to revert to an earlier edit that I received via a newsgroup.I sent an e-mail to Gwen Gale to try to explain that I am new to this and that I am donor. She has since called me a liar. If you look at the post directly above this one you will note that I have copied the e-mail I received when I donated. I am offended at the accusation that I am a liar (again see above). If re-instated, I will make sure that I am familiar with the rules before editing again. Johnh677 (talk) 22:10, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You had an account? You opened this account less than four days ago. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I had just opened my account with wikipedia. I did not create the account to edit anything, actually. As I stated in my last appeal, I got an e-mail through a newsgroup asking me to revert to an earlier version of wikipedia. To tell the truth, I had no idea what I was doing. I did not even realize I had started an editing war. I wasn't reading the notices that were sent because I did not realize there was new things there. I know, "ignorance of the law excuses no man" and if it means that I lose the privilege of editing any more, that is fine. But I really am an individual. No one asked me to create the account. I did read somewhere on the site, when I was trying to figure this all out, that users should be patient with new users as we were all new users at some point. I will never address anything to do with AA again, but, since I have learned how to do this, I would like the ability to edit again because I want to help with Ubuntu edits.


 * You made your first edit only nine minutes after opening the account, to the AA article. Hence, I don't believe you when you say, "I did not create the account to edit anything." Either way, opening an account to jump into an edit war, which is at the very least what you're saying happened, is meatpuppetry and wholly blockable. However, I still think you are closely linked, one way or another, with Jayseer and have yet to tell us what truly happened here. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:46, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

It had a been a few days ago and I had kinda forgotten the details. I had created an account with wikipedia a couple of years earlier (not sure if I ever used it though), anyway, someone on a newsgroup (12-Step-Free, I think, anyway it is a Yahoo group) that I get emails from asked for help editing the wiki. I had an account and when I went to log in I could not remember my password, so I created another account. I truly apologize for the misunderstanding. I really have no idea who Jayseer is and I really don't care what goes on on the AA site. I have been fighting a cold all week and was reading these emails by people in the newsgroup saying how they were being treated unfairly at wikipedia. I usually ignore them. It has been over 4 years since I have had dealing with any 12 step groups and I really could care less about it. If re-instated it would be only to help with non-controversial issues (like helping with development of Ubuntu). I truly had no idea what I was doing and the disruption I was causing. In the last couple of days I discovered that I was acting as a meat puppet. I forgot about starting a new account, because in my mind I already had one, I just couldn't remember the password, so in my mind I was still using my old account. But now that I understand what is going on, and have learned how to edit. Either way, please accept my sincerest apologies.Johnh677 (talk) 15:05, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * What was the name of the old account? Gwen Gale (talk) 15:08, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

It might have been like j.w.hutch or something like that. Not sure. Now that I know what I did, that one may be blocked too. When I created that account, I think I did the same thing, but again did not know what was going on. At the time I guess I created that one as a meat puppet (in ignorance, really). It was a couple of years ago and it was as a result of one of these emails from one of the anti-12 step groups. There were explicit instruction on how to go in and revert an edit. I never even knew about these talk pages until the last couple of days. As I never took the time to read the instructions until the last couple of days, I really had no idea that I was in violation. Anyway, that other one might have also been reported as a sock puppet as I was using to reinstate revisions. I had not read any of the rules of wikipedia. I guess that is what I get for trusting people from a newsgroup who I only know through emails. If I cannot be reinstated, that is fine. I realize now that what I was doing was in complete violation of meat puppet rules. If I can be reinstated, I will make sure that I am always in compliance in the future. I have been trying to help with bug fixes in Ubuntu, but did not know how to edit the wiki. I had done the revision thing in the past, but it was only in the last couple of days that I discovered this edit box, where you can actually type stuff. Again, I really apologize for stomping in your world. Johnh677 (talk) 15:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You said "I had an account and when I went to log in I could not remember my password," but now you can't remember the account name to which you went? I don't believe a word of this. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I received the following e-mail from someone I only know as EddyAbby: I opened the sock puppet link, apparantely I was unaware by requesting other editors it is referred as a meat puppet...sorry about that JOHN... didn't mean for that to cause you trouble.

I am pretty sure the email address that my old was associated with it is j.w.hutch@hotmail.com. As I don;t use that e-mail account anymore, it was easier to simply start a new wikipedia account with my current email account. In my mind I was still using the old account. I see how it looks on your side now, though. For the last week I have been taking codeine cough syrup and replying emotionally to a lot of things. At this point it a comedy of errors that got me to this place. From your side it absolutely has to look like I was a meat puppet, because I was acting as one, innocently, I assure you. This has been a real learning experience for me though. I guess I really don't need to be able to edit. It is just that now that I know how to do it, I could help with the Ubuntu project stuff. I have explained what happened as best I can. Regardless of your decision, please accept my apology and let's move on.Johnh677 (talk) 15:50, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Wait a week or two, open a new account and stay away from AA topics. Helpful edits are always welcome here. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:53, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I promise that you won't regret it.Johnh677 (talk) 15:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

unblock request
I've looked at your contributions again. I still find it hard to believe a new user would open an account and then straight off, jump into an edit war, know something about wiki-markup and write in a way so much like User:Jayseer, who has now said on my talk page that he has used other accounts. There is a sockpuppet report at Sockpuppet_investigations/MisterAlbert and I think one should wait for an outcome on that.

Your unblock requests were not seen because you forgot the brackets. You are welcome to post another unblock request, like this (don't forget to copy paste the brackets too):

Either way, I'm aware of your request and am still looking at this. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * CU returns "unlikely" result. OhanaUnitedTalk page 21:18, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I had known that. See the thread above, where this has been resolved. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)