User talk:Johnhochi

October 2022
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to Midwestern United States, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Indyguy (talk) 01:22, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

November 2022
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Midwestern United States. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Indyguy (talk) 20:59, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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I’m not making disruptive edits, I think personally my edits to the page are nice because the edits I’ve changed seemed to be outdated. I appreciate you trying to keep the page safe from any disruption but I’m not doing anything harmful to the page, or Wikipedia. Johnhochi (talk) 21:09, 1 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Your image is far, far too large for the page and causes a major formatting issue. It has done this every time you have edited the image, which is not positive for people viewing the page. Sharkcrossing (talk) 00:53, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Images
Please stop adding low-quality images to St. Louis. Please take a moment to read MOS:IMAGEQUALITY. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:38, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

April 2023
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at St. Louis cuisine, you may be blocked from editing without further warnings. Thank you, - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 18:09, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

You're breaking the page, images do not go there, Stop it.  -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 18:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at St. Louis, you may be blocked from editing. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:51, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I just spent 20 minutes cleaning up your mess. STOP ADDING UNSOURCED CONTENT! Magnolia677 (talk) 19:04, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I did do a lot of research for that on Wikipedia especially, and points out special important points of St. Louis cuisine, all of that information is valid. Johnhochi (talk) 19:08, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

 You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for using Wikipedia as a platform for publishing original research, against others' concerns. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:31, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Technopat (talk) 22:01, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Same thing with poorly written WP:OR on Kansas City, Missouri. , he's had another few dozen reverted disruptive edits since you blocked him. — Smuckola(talk) 23:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Blocked
Your account is blocked indefinitely until you are able to explain to me that you understand the concepts of WP:V and WP:OR, which you've repeatedly violated and ignored explanations and warnings on. They're simple concepts, but they're the foundation of the entire website. You cannot be ignoring them like this. Sergecross73  msg me  00:15, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I’m very sorry, I have been causing trouble on Wikipedia. I never wanted to cause trouble for the site or for the many users that use it. I understand I may have been making irresponsible edits on Wikipedia, and have been making edits using my own original research. And have been using irresponsible sites for research. I am deeply sorry, I never meant to cause any users any trouble on Wikipedia. I only want to make useful contributions on the site, and help others learn. I sincerely promise to only make edits with original research, not my own original research, in the future. And when uploading images in the future, I will try to only upload my own images taking by myself. And I will not imply research from multiple sources, again. Johnhochi (talk) 01:02, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That sounds like you may be on the right track, but doesn't entirely show that you understand the concepts really. I'd like you to define original research in your own words. You need to understand what it is if you wish to avoid doing it further. Sergecross73   msg me  11:16, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Original research, is research In which there is no reliable source stated. Such as one’s own ideas, facts, or statements, or a source that is not trusted, and considered reliable. To prove that the research is not your own, you must be able to cite the trusted reliable, sources you found your research on. And when you do research from reliable sites, you must never plagiarize them. Or violate their copyrights, you must always write the facts found on those sites in your own words. Johnhochi (talk) 18:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, last step: Give me an example of an edit you would make if I unblocked you. What content would you add/change, and what source would you use to verify? Sergecross73   msg me  21:06, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I would only change, and add to content that needs to be updated, or needs to be more descriptive. And I would only use sources that are trusted, such as the library of Congress website etc. Johnhochi (talk) 21:26, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * No, I mean, like, let's say I unblocked you right now. What edit would you go do? Say something like "I would add In March 2023, TheGamer said that Ristar was a game in need of a modern reboot. to Ristar. Source: https://www.thegamer.com/ristar-sega-genesis-modern-reboot/ " - Something like this. Take your time, no rush. Sergecross73   msg me  22:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I would probably read pages, and when I see grammar issues I will fix them, by adding punctuation. I Don’t have anything in mind in particular right now. Johnhochi (talk) 22:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, well, let me know when you think of something. See WP:PING as a way to alert me that you've written something if it goes a few days and looks like I'm not checking back anymore. Sergecross73   msg me  00:09, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I would make the imperial, Missouri, page longer and add more facts. It needs to be updated, from what I can see. Johnhochi (talk) 00:47, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind, the goal here is for you to demonstrate that you know how to add content to Wikipedia with a reliable source and avoid original research. Sergecross73   msg me  01:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * When I add the research, I will use the United States, census bureau, website and cite it, and not use my own original research. Johnhochi (talk) 02:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * When editing the imperial Missouri page Johnhochi (talk) 02:21, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sergecross73 Johnhochi (talk) 02:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You still haven't done as I've asked. Sergecross73   msg me  03:01, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * theshow.com, said that MLB the show 23, added lots of updates to the game compared to MLB the show 22. So I would list some of the updates they added, to the game on the page MLB The Show 23. Johnhochi (talk) 22:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I can't stress enough that you can't demonstrate that you understand proper sourcing and avoiding original research unless you give me a specific content addtion with a link to a specific source that verifies it. Please do it as I showed you with my example about Ristar above. Sergecross73  msg me  23:03, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I’m sorry, I’m not sure what you mean, can you please give me another example. I know I must be a hassle I apologize. Johnhochi (talk) 04:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You keep writing vague things like "I'd find a website source and then add some updates". That's too vague. Literally link me to the actual page of a website you'd use as a reference, and write out the exact content you'd add to Wikipedia. Your response should have 3 parts:
 * Link to the Wikipedia article you'd edit.
 * Write out the actual words/sentences you would add.
 * Provide the exact external website link you would use as a source.
 * Sergecross73  msg me  11:04, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * here’s a link to the Wikipedia page MLB The Show 23
 * MLB The Show 23
 * If you were to unblock, me I would post that. MLB the show 23 is a game with many updates, and has more features than MLB The Show 22. Such as Franchise Mode improvements, or the New Legends feature.
 * Here’s the external link for the game MLB The Show 23
 * https://theshow.com/?emcid=pa-1s-461562&gbraid=0AAAAADc1uAbAt6I5GW_DNraXUCYge5qCK&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_ZqSioLJ_gIVwejjBx3jIAaFEAAYASAAEgLW3PD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds Johnhochi (talk) 03:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It's impossible to see if you are violating original research if you keep saying things like "adding some updates". You need to say what the updates actually are. Saying "a sequel has updates" by itself isn't very helpful to the reader, you need to describe the updates (according to what sources say). Please be more specific or try again with a different subject. Sergecross73   msg me  12:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * MLB the show 23 is a game with many updates, and has more features than MLB The Show 22. Such as Franchise Mode improvements, or the New Legends feature. That’s literally what I was going to post Johnhochi (talk) 15:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, then that's not really a good edit on other grounds then - why would you say that without explaining what the new additions are? What is the point of knowing there is a "New Legends" mode without explaining what a "New Legends" mode even is? It's not very helpful to the uninformed reader to say "a sequel has many updates" without explaining what the updates actually are. Sergecross73   msg me  17:18, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * MLB the show 23 is a game with many updates, and has more features than MLB The Show 22. Such as Franchise Mode improvements, that includes free agency adjustments. Or the New Legends feature, that allows you to play 180 hall of famers, from all different eras of the game.
 * all my research is from the game website
 * https://theshow.com/ Johnhochi (talk) 23:31, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll be blunt: All I see above is unencyclopedic writing ("you", "many updates" / "more features") based on a primary source (the block reason does point to WP:OR, which does contain WP:PSTS). ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * MLB the show 23 is a game with many updates, and has more features than MLB The Show 22. Such as Franchise Mode improvements, that includes free agency adjustments. Or the New Legends feature, that allows the player to play 180 hall of famers, from all different eras of the game.
 * all my research is from the game website
 * https://theshow.com/ Johnhochi (talk) 17:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is an improvement; thank you for taking the time to do this.
 * Now, independently of the text you have written above: Please provide at least one source which is not a primary source, and which contains information about the game. A simple link to such a source is fine. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, not only are third party sources preferred, but it's generally not good practice to use homepages of websites as sources like that, because they're constantly updating and changing info over time. When next year's version of the game comes out, that info will likely be gone. The content on homepages rotate and change over time, but something like, let's say, an IGN review, will largely stay the same over time. Sergecross73   msg me  19:20, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * MLB the show 23 is a game with many updates, and has more features than MLB The Show 22. Such as Franchise Mode improvements, that includes free agency adjustments. Or the New Legends feature, that allows the player to play 180 hall of famers, from all different eras of the game.
 * https://www.operationsports.com/mlb-the-show-23-release-date-game-modes-and-more/ Johnhochi (talk) 16:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks!
 * , perhaps under the informal condition that (please) doesn't actually make the proposed change, I'd unblock. Their current primary motivation understandably seems to be getting unblocked and doing whatever is being asked as a condition for this, and I'd like to end this tragedy.
 * , if you'd like to do me personally a favor, please start very, very slow when you edit Wikipedia again. Reconsider if you really need to edit a Wikipedia article; check three times if your edit is really an improvement. I don't know what your goal is – if it's getting a high edit count, you'll need to stop that. If your only motivation is improving the encyclopedia, you may achieve your goal most easily by not editing in 90% of the cases when you feel an urge to edit. So if you're unsure about making an edit, please just don't.
 * I'm not sure what else to say. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, this technically meets my unblock request, even if the proposed change...isn't that great. I'm concerned that it took over 2 weeks to do this too - what I've asked you to do is something you'll need to be doing every time you add content to Wikipedia. It shouldn't be that difficult. I'll unblock you, but if you're caught adding unsourced content or original research again, you'll be blocked again. Understood? Sergecross73   msg me  20:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes understood, thank you very much! Johnhochi (talk) 21:47, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Unblocked. Sergecross73   msg me  00:47, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes I will try to start very slow, I appreciate you guys being patient with me. Johnhochi (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes I will try to start very slow, I appreciate you guys being patient with me. Johnhochi (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Adding unsourced content with grammitcal errors
This edit was not an improvement; in addition to the garbled grammar, you're making generalizations that can be applied to almost any large city. OhNo itsJamie Talk 22:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Johnhochi, I'm very concerned about this edit. Our agreement was that you could be unblocked if you always added sources that backed your content. Adding a link in the edit summary is not good enough. If you keep doing this, you're going to get your account blocked again. Sergecross73   msg me  23:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I’m sorry I got to exited again, I will take it easy for a while. Johnhochi (talk) 01:50, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I will try to not make a mistake like that again, I’m very very sorry. Johnhochi (talk) 01:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You just did it again here. I don't how to be any more clear with you that adding a link in the edit summary is not an appropriate way to add a source to an article. References need to be in article. WP:REFB teaches you how to do this if you still have questions. Review it closely - if you add any more unsourced/improperly sourced content to Wikipedia, your account will be blocked again. Sergecross73   msg me  19:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay I’m sorry, I think I’m going to take a break from editing, for at least 2 months. Johnhochi (talk) 21:13, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What exactly is the problem though? "Taking some time off" is usually what people do when they're caught in a heated argument or something. We're talking about following a very basic instruction I've been asking you to do for weeks. Why would taking two months off help with that? Sergecross73   msg me  22:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean I’m not going to completely stop editing for two months, I’m just going to sort of cool off maybe make less edits, and make edits that are smaller. Im also worried if I make a mistake again I will get blocked, I feel I just need a break from making larger edits, I’m not mad or angry, I just don’t want to get blocked again. I also feel I need to do more research and learn more about making the right edits, and citing my research properly, so I don’t make anymore Mistakes, I hope you understand. Johnhochi (talk) 23:04, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you saying you still don't understand how to add sources to Wikipedia? You were supposed to be figuring that out back during your multi-week block. It was part of your unblock condition. And yet you still haven't bothered to learn it in the weeks you've been unblocked? What exactly are you waiting for over there?? Sergecross73   msg me  23:12, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No I’m not saying that, Wikipedia is giving me some stress right now, and I think I just need a break and need to focus on making edits with out mistakes. Johnhochi (talk) 23:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * None of your recent editing should be "stressing you out" - this is all very basic, easy stuff. You're not adding sources and you keep tinkering with images. It should not be causing you trouble for weeks and months. I've re-blocked your account. You are simply not ready to be editing Wikipedia at this point in your life. See the instructions at the bottom of your talk page if you ever want to try to be unblocked again. Sergecross73   msg me  23:26, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding copyrighted photos to Wikipedia
One of your recent edits has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Copying text from other sources for more information. In particular, this photo clearly says "all rights reserved" on it's Flickr page. OhNo itsJamie Talk 22:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Sorry I thought I did a good job with my research, and I shared reliable sources where I found it I apologize though. Johnhochi (talk) 22:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Image changes
Johnhochi, you may want to rethink your efforts to change images on articles. It seems like most changes are being objected and undone. I don't edit in this area, but judging by this response, you may be trying to "fix something that isn't broken". Please consider stopping this, and/or starting up some talk page discussions about it. Thanks. Sergecross73  msg me  17:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Okay Johnhochi (talk) 19:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You are still changing images without consensus and being reverted. There comes a point where this could be considered disruptive editing. Canterbury Tail talk 19:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Blocked
You've not only violated your unblock conditions, but apparently "faked" that you even understood how to meet the conditions in the first place, and have made no real effort to rectify this either.

Your account is blocked indefinitely. You can appeal your block in 6 months per the instructions at WP:STANDARDOFFER. You'll need to take the instructions at STANDARDOFFER more seriously than you took my instructions if you wish to ever be unblocked again. Sergecross73  msg me  23:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I don’t understand this, and you said if I made another mistake editing you would block me, I feel you weren’t honest and blocked me from frustration. Johnhochi (talk) 23:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That was before you made it clear with your comments (and actions) that you still don't even know how to add a reference to Wikipedia. I blocked you back in April for adding unsourced content. Why in the world have you not taken the time to learn it yet when that's the the whole reason you were blocked? There's no good reason that you don't know this in June already. Sergecross73   msg me  00:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * And to be honest, I was just about to block you for lacking the competence to edit as it's quite clear you're not listening to anyone. Canterbury Tail talk 14:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Pretty certain Jamie was close to blocking as well. Sergecross73   msg me  14:58, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I’m sorry can you give me another chance? Johnhochi (talk) 23:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)