User talk:Johnpacklambert/Archives/2023/December

Favor/suggestion
Hey John Pack Lambert,

When you start adding people to new categories, like you did here, instead of removing Jane Whiteside from Category:Deaths by drowning in New Zealand and placing her into Category:Deaths by drowning and Category:Deaths in the Colony of New Zealand. Could you just add her to the new category, instead of removing her from the old one? That would help a lot, in case, the new category ends up not being as helpful as you had hoped. Mason (talk) 19:06, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Is place of burial defining?
is place of burial really defining to people? If so, does this apply broadly to include city, country, etc. Or is it just defining in the intersection of certain cemeteries with those who are buried there? I am thinking that some cemeteries might be defining, but anything larger than that is not defining. I can not really see how if we do not categorize by place of death we can categorize by place of burial an item even less connected to anything about a person's life than the place of death is.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Pest, Kingdom of Hungary
Pest, Kingdom of Hungary was a distinct city until 1873. I had existed since before Roman times. It was distinct from Buda until they merged in 1873. Carl Geibel (1842–1910) is an example of a person who lived there only prior to 1873. He was there a few years and then moved to the Kingdom of Saxony. He did not live in Budapest, and so I do not think we should put him in an nochronistic category for such.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Category:Immigrants to British Hong Kong has been nominated for merging
Category:Immigrants to British Hong Kong has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:02, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:British emigrants to British Hong Kong has been nominated for merging
Category:British emigrants to British Hong Kong has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:03, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Canadian emigrants to British Hong Kong has been nominated for merging
Category:Canadian emigrants to British Hong Kong has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:05, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Chinese emigrants to British Hong Kong has been nominated for merging
Category:Chinese emigrants to British Hong Kong has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:05, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023
Why are you still making changes like this? No one else agrees with your approach here. In this case of Mikhaylovsky specifically, it is even worse to omit "Russian" here considering his occupation and what he is known for. Mellk (talk) 12:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:British East Africa has been nominated for merging
Category:British East Africa has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 17:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Roman Catholic missionaries in pre-1776 British North America has been nominated for merging
Category:Roman Catholic missionaries in pre-1776 British North America has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 17:41, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Criminologists from Austria-Hungary
Could you populate the category (Category:Criminologists from Austria-Hungary) you made with at least 5 people? Creating categories for a single person isn't helpful. So I would encourage you to check to see if there's enough to support a category before you create the category. Thanks Mason (talk) 16:44, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * That category was created back in March 2023. Looking at it both Austrian criminologists and Russian crminologists only have 2 articles. I am think that further upmerger is probably justified. I think both those Austrian crimnologists were from Austria-Hungary.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * 23 of the 39 suc-catehories of Crimonologists that are by nationality have less than 5 articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * for example Brazilian criminologists only has 3 articles. It is the only diffusing sub-cat of Brazilian Sociologists which had 42 articles. So an upmerge to crimnologists and to Brazilian Sociologists might be a better way to aid in navigation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Danish criminologists and Finnish criminologists also only have 1 articles each. We only have 17 articles in Danish Sociologists and 20 in Finnish Sociologists. The Finnish one also has a non-diffusing sub-cat, so we end up with 2 categories that collectively have 1 article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:26, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * actually I think there are 3-4 less by nationality categories than I stated above, because there are a few more sub-cats for other things.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please don't delete categories out of process. It's disruptive. You can nominate them, or tag me and ask me to nominate them. Mason (talk) 21:44, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, for odd reasons I am not allowed to nominate them. I did remove the one article from Austria-Hungary criminologists since I put it there, and that seemed reasonable to me. Other than that I will leave the criminologists articles alone for now, but others may want to consider the best way to configure them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:06, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. And fair enough, I've reverted my additions, so the category is empty again. Mason (talk) 22:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you make sure they were all in Sociologists from Austria-Hungary? John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:14, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's the category I had originally found them in. Mason (talk) 22:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It only has 7 articles. I am not sure what the reasonably smallest split of a category is, but 7 seems too small unless we really have reason to split.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

1840s births cats
The category 1841 births has at present 2,197 articles, 1842 births has 2,205 articles and 1843 births has 2,266 articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Immigrants to the North German Confederation


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Category:Executed People from the Russian Empire has been nominated for merging
Category:Executed People from the Russian Empire has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 19:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

American pharmacists by state
I do not think we need this category or any sub-cats. American pharmacists has 204 articles. It might pass 300 if all sub-articles in this category were upmerged. The largest sub-category has 7 articles. I do not think we have the articles to justify all these categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Conversion of historic money figures to current amounts
This comes up in several places. I noticed it in the article on John S. Gray (businessman) that the article gives his businesses volume of sales in 1891 in 1891 dollars. Is there an easy way to put in a conversion so the current amount will be estimated. I noticed on another article that they gave a 2008 equivalency for an amount, which I thought would be more useful as a 2023 equivalency.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Modern Latin-language writers has been nominated for deletion
Category:Modern Latin-language writers has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Immigrants to Portuguese Angola has been nominated for splitting
Category:Immigrants to Portuguese Angola has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 03:00, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Male opera singers from the Austrian Empire


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Basses from the Austrian Empire


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Tenors from the Austrian Empire


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Category:Tuberculosis deaths in French Algeria has been nominated for renaming
Category:Tuberculosis deaths in French Algeria has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 23:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Deaths in Arizona Territory has been nominated for deletion
Category:Deaths in Arizona Territory has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 05:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Businesspeople from British Hong Kong has been nominated for merging
Category:Businesspeople from British Hong Kong has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:00, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * At a minimum these people should remain in Category:People from British Hong Kong. The fact that thry were businesspeople in an area under British rule, not Chinese rule, is very defining. A good percentage are British people who came to Hong Kong to run a business there. Those who are not it still mattered that rhey were running their business in an area under British, not Chinese, control.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:37, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Deaths in the New Mexico Territory has been nominated for deletion
Category:Deaths in the New Mexico Territory has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 05:08, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * On further thought I am unconvinced that we need to diffuse all Tuberculosis deaths. I do not think we need a Category with 2 articles. I think we would be best merging either to Tuberculosis deaths or to the by century suc-categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:08, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Businesspeople from the Colony of South Australia has been nominated for splitting
Category:Businesspeople from the Colony of South Australia has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 17:28, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Businesspeople from the Colony of Queensland has been nominated for splitting
Category:Businesspeople from the Colony of Queensland has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 17:29, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Cause of death Category control
I think unless we have more than one actual cause of death we should limit bio articles to one cause of deathcategory. So if someone died from meningitis and is in the mrmogitis deaths cat we should not place them in any other cause of deaths cats, like ones intersecting a more broad description of their cause of death with the lication of dearh.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:43, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Please don't make this change unilaterally. Its an interesting idea, but it would need consensus to implement. Mason (talk) 02:19, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

1999 births
The 1999 births category currently has 11,034 articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:49, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Spanish people of the colonial Philippines has been nominated for merging
Category:Spanish people of the colonial Philippines has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:56, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think we should just upmerge to Category:People from the Spanish East Indies. It was one unit in Spanish administration, we should group the people from there together, and not try to split them up based on later divisions.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:57, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I was able to find the proper parent category: "Category:People from the Spanish colonial Philippines" Mason (talk) 22:44, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Immigrants to the Viceroyalty of Peru has been nominated for splitting
Category:Immigrants to the Viceroyalty of Peru has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 22:16, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Immigrants to the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata has been nominated for merging
Category:Immigrants to the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 22:42, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Immigrants to the Spanish East Indies has been nominated for merging
Category:Immigrants to the Spanish East Indies has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 22:52, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Immigrants to the South African Republic has been nominated for splitting
Category:Immigrants to the South African Republic has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 23:09, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


 * This is not a political regime. This is a place that was much smaller than modern South Africa. It also ceases to exist over a decade before the Union of South Africa is formed. It is a distinct place, and it is not a "regime change" it is much more.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:17, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * regardless, it is not helpful when you remove people from an intersecting category and place them into this vague category. It has nothing to do with imposing the present on the past. It has to do with removing people from a narrower category. South African Republic is nested within the union of south africa from a category perspective. Mason (talk) 02:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That is just plain wrong. That is like saying Immigrants to Latvia in 1930 were immigrants to the Soviet Union. It is not vague, to argue they were immigrating to a broader political unit than then existed is wrong.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, you're ignoring the point I have made repeatedly. Former countries are typically nested inside the modern day equivalent. Mason (talk) 03:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Businesspeople from the South African Republic has been nominated for splitting
Category:Businesspeople from the South African Republic has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 23:11, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The South African Republic stops existing almost a decade before the Union of South Africa is forned. There are 4 places, Transvaal Colony, Colony of Natal, Cape Colony and Orange River Colony that are merged. When there was the South African Republic there was no unity at all, 2 of them were British colonies, the other 2 were fully independent countries. To try to treat this as just South Africa earlier is to ignore the historical reality. We are imposing later events on the past.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Librettists from the Russian Empire
Could you please populate the categories you make? It looks like you made this one today, and only added a single category to it.Mason (talk) 23:24, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The whole librettists tree has very small categories. Swiss librettists has only 1 article, no subcategories. Based on actual size I think we should upmerge all by nationality categories to just librettists, and not divide the type of librettists by nationality at all. So in this case I think we would be best off merging Opera librettists from the Russian Empire to librettists from the Russian Empire.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:48, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * So given that it was so small, why did you make a new slightly larger category? Mason (talk) 02:14, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Because opera librettists are a sub-unit of librettists. Anyway at present both categories have at least 5 articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

19th-century Neopolitan people
This category is meant for people from the Kingdom of Naples. That entity does nor exist after 1816. Some of the people in the Category are born as late as 1880, making them born in a unified Italy. The name most likely should be changed to use Kingdom of Naples to make it clear it is for people linked to the Kingdom of Naples, not for people linked to the City of Naples.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:People from the North German Confederation has been nominated for splitting
Category:People from the North German Confederation has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Emigrants from the North German Confederation has been nominated for splitting
Category:Emigrants from the North German Confederation has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Emigrants from the North German Confederation to the United States has been nominated for merging
Category:Emigrants from the North German Confederation to the United States has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 04:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Jackeo Relang article - Proposing for deletion
The article, Jackeo Relang you created on 23 November 2009‎, has been proposed for deletion (PROD). If you can update that page by improving, copyediting, sourcing, renaming, or merging the page, please edit the article and do so. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:56, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

CfD nomination at
A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at  on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 06:36, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Expatriates in British North America has been nominated for merging
Category:Expatriates in British North America has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 03:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The Colonies of British North America were contiguous except Bermuda. Some expatriates actually moved between multiple ones. Some later sources are less than precise. The main thing is that people are non-subject residents of this area. Precisely if the were in Prince Edward Island, Rupert's Land or the Colony of Vancover Island is not ad important. In some cases we do not even know, we just know they were non-subject residents in the British territories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That doesn't seem like a defining characteristic. Mason (talk) 20:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

19th-century births categories
So I have just started reviewing 1839 births. I have a whole chart for the 1830s, 1840s and 1850s births. 1830s births has 18,395 entries. 1840s in that and all year sub-cats has 20,226 entries and 1850s has 26,886 entries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:24, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Immigrants to British North America has been nominated for merging
Category:Immigrants to British North America has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:British emigrants to British North America has been nominated for merging
Category:British emigrants to British North America has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:American emigrants to British North America has been nominated for merging
Category:American emigrants to British North America has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:37, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Businesspeople from the Dominion of Newfoundland has been nominated for splitting
Category:Businesspeople from the Dominion of Newfoundland has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 00:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Cricketers from the Dominion of Newfoundland has been nominated for merging
Category:Cricketers from the Dominion of Newfoundland has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 00:33, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:People from Gran Colombia has been nominated for merging
Category:People from Gran Colombia has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 00:45, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Question
I am sorry but why are you still doing this? Mellk (talk) 21:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I still think Russian Empire is a better descriptor, especially since he lived into the 20th-century. I will revert and submit to discussion at the talk page to avoid problems.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand but it is not a demonym, probably grammatically incorrect. Anyway thanks. Mellk (talk) 22:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * so would it be okay to say that someone was "an actor from the Russian Empire", or would that term also cause you to complain?John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:21, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I am sure I have already said what the manual of style says. The nationality is omitted usually in disputed cases. Mellk (talk) 22:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Deaths in the Independent State of Croatia has been nominated for deletion
Category:Deaths in the Independent State of Croatia has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Deaths by place v deaths by nationality
Currently deaths is one of the few things where we actually categorize by country, not by nationality. Except even some deaths categories we do by nationslity. For deaths by war, we group military personnel of Country Foo together by having died in X war, regardless of where they died. I am wondering if it really makes sense to group how we do. It might also depend on the case. We have a cancer death tree. If anAmerican gets cancer, has luved in the US all his life, gets treated for 5 years in the US, but in the last week decides to go to Mexico gor an experental treatment, and dies in Mexico, he goes in the cancer dwaths in Mexico. If a New York City politician is vacationing in Rome and that is where a political enemy catches up to him and shoots him, he goes in assainations in Italy. It actually there gets even murkier. If our New York City politician is shot somewhere west of Genoa, and rushed to a hodpitsl in Nice, and stays alive there 2 days and then dies, was that an assasination in Italy, because he was shot there, or in France because he dued there. What if a prominent Fench singer is flying first class on a French airline plane to Warsaw, and the plane crashes and all die because of an error by the French pulot,but they crash into Czech land? Do we really want to call that a death in the Czech Republic when the person gad literally never bern to that country, especially if there is nothing Czech related about thd plane. On the other hand if our Frech singer friend had decided to take a touring bus, aldo with a Frwnch company, and they crash in Brlgium, but she is taken across the border to Germany, is that a road incidents dwath in Germany, or should we formulatd the category by lication of dwath causing incident and not by lication of actual death. Likewise if a Mexican politician commits suicide while on a brief vacation in the Bahamas, does it make sense to categorize as a suicide in the Bahamas, and not look at the nationality. I think if we were to go to nationslity of dwaths categories we woyld limit it to nationality at time of death, and start with the assumption that the person was at soms level a,national of where thry lived at death, even if rhey still had formalnationslity elsewhere. A miner from Italy killed in a mine explosion in Colorado jyst 2 wweks after rhey came to the US as an immigrant is still an American mi e explosion death, but if the guy was a mining engineer on a short assignment to the US with clear plans to go back to Italy he is an Italian mining incident death. There is an ease of defining place of death as just plzce of death, but I wo der if it can too often place people in location categories with no meaning for their lives. I think if we do want to keep placd of dwath as literally place of death we need to insist that Suicides in the Soviet Union, Road °Accident dwaths in the Soviet Union, etc can not coexist with the categories by post-Soviet country. We can have Road Accidents desths in the Ukrainian SSR, Roade accident deatgs in the Russian SSR, suicides in the Kazakh SSR, etc. However we want to name them, that we could place in the trees for ths later countries, but deaths in the Soviet Union should only be in that category, a Soviet place specific sub-cat (starvation deaths in Leningrad may or maynot be a justifiable category,but thst is the type of think we would need), or in a non-place soecifying cause category for cause if death categories we lack enough of from the Soviet Union. I think we should also limit articles to 1 cause of death category. We should not have say Tuberculosis deaths in Soviet Union and infectious disease deaths in the Ukraine SSR category. Personally I think if wekeep infectious disease deaths it would only be as a container category. Most people historically died from infectious diseases, but I do not think in most cases that fact is notable.plus in many cases we cannot adequatrly place the disease into a modern diseease name. I think in addition we need to in all cases either decided, with the posdible exception of suicides amd maybe a few other cases that are politically connected either A-plave X is distinct enough from later place Y that has similar but different borders, name etc, so if we decide The Ottoman Empire is not Turkey,which we have, then no one who died in tge Ottoman Empire ever goes in any death in Turkey category, period. If we go the other way, and decide the the Qing Empire and China refer to functionally the same place, then for deaths caregories we never seperate out the Qing Empire at all, with the line exception of mayne suicides and executions and maybd if some other category can be shown to be highly politucally linked. The biggest mess in my mind is states that existed under multiple other states. For exaple the Kingdom of Prussia startes out as a state both inside and outside the Holy Roman Empire when formed in 1701 (and Brandenburg-Prussia is the historiographicak name for the unified state for a few decades before, well pitically unified, geograohically disjointed). After 1806 it exists as an i dependent state, although in1815 much of it is placed in the even looser German Confederstion, which ceases to exist in 1866, but is replaced by the Prussian controlled German Empire in 1871. It become the Free State of Prussia in 1918 which de fscto ceases yo e ist in the 1930s butde jure lasts until 1946. For nationality purposes I avoid placing people born much after 1840 in ghe category, but it might be argusble Kingdom ofPrussia categories should havd people who were notable or at least involved in their orofession by 1918, but dince movement within the Empire is so easy after 1871, and Prussia dominates it, things are tricky. I think for deaths in Prussia we could absolutely cut off all by cause categories in 1871, but argue that while deaths in the Holy Roman Empire are defining enough to group anyone dieing there until just after 1800, the Prussian case is special and snyone who died in the Kingdom of Prussia, pre-1871, as defined when they died, should only be in either A-a death in the Kingdom if Prussia + cause category B-an unplace splecific cause of death category or C-if we find some notabkr cause of death occured so often in the Kingdom of Prussia that we want to divide it by Province we can, as we have divided some occupations in the Kingdom of Prussia by province. I think that is a bad plan though, and unlikely to ever be reasonable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:52, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * One easy way to find Prussian people is to look through categories for its capital, Berlin, and then sort out those who lived during the time of the Kingom of Prussia. As far as I can tell we fo not have a deaths in Berlin Category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Congo Free State emigrants has been nominated for deletion
Category:Congo Free State emigrants has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 00:27, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Emigrants from the Principality of Montenegro has been nominated for splitting
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Duplicate causes of death
I am wondering we tong of it makes sense to categorize by multiple causes of death. I am thinking if we are not sure what caused a death, explain that in the article, but there is no reason to have multiple categories. Just have a year of death category and be done. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Are deaths from cancer defining
I serm to recall that at present cancer is the number 1 cause of death. Although heart disease is close behind, and might actually be the leading cause. This makes me wonder if doing of cancer is domething it makes sense to create categories for, atheist direct ones. I am thinking the type of cancer that kills someone might be worth having categories for, but not direct ones for cancer. I believe right now many people are in both Deaths from cancer in X, be X a country or a substations unit, and in deaths from Y cancer,be it lung, breast, bone, etc. I think we should only have people in at most one cause of death category. So we should limit people yo bring in deaths from Y cancer, be it bone, skin, lung, breast, brain etc. Then if we can justify splitting deaths from lung cancer, deaths from bone cancer, etc by place we can do that, be it by country or if we have enough by a sub-nationsl unit. I do not think we even need Deaths in the United Statez from Cancer, deaths in Japan from cancer, etc, but maybe they could ve Co tsiner categories, and maybe we have enough non-biograohical articles to go there, but I do not think we should directly have article in them, and I do not think we should feel any need for every overdone who died of a cancer to be in a Category for that, or to have subcats covering every possible place. We only need to place people in a sub-cat at all when we know enough (that is, know it from reliable sources), to say what type of cancer killed them, and we should only split the categories by type of cancer below just type by countries or sub-national units where we have a reasonable size. I think 5 should be the absolute minimum for splitting, but only if we can create probably at least 5 sub-cats at that size, and if we have 25 articles on people who we had sourcing g to say thry died from brain cancer (I am pretty sure we have more), and they happened to only be from 5 countries,by some extreme coincidence 5 dieing in each country, I would say we have not yet met the point of needing a split.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:15, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I have in the cancer deaths tree found articles where it says the person died from a house fire, but thry had cancer at the time. I found another aticle where it said that the cause would probably be listed as cancer today. People need to go through and make sure everyone belongs. On case it said rhe person died from a non-malignant brain tumor. A non-malignant tumor is not cancerous, but it still can have poor effects, in domecases up to dearh.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I was going to give a report on how small the various sub-cats of both Deaths from lung cancer by nationslity and deaths from lung cancer in the United States by state are. However there are over 900 articles directly in deaths from lung cancer, so I am diffusing those where there is a more specific sub-cat thry can go to. Some articles do not give place of death. If I ever get through that I will report the results.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:47, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Disease-related deaths in British India has been nominated for merging
Category:Disease-related deaths in British India has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Suicides in British India has been nominated for merging
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Category:Deaths in British India has been nominated for merging
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Category:People from Assam Province has been nominated for merging
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Native American women in Colonial America
I am pretty sure Native American women in Colonial America should only be in its first 4 categories. I do not think that it makes sense to impose the article into by century categories when it is a broad topic Category. Beyond this, I am thinking the American women by century categories most logically begin with the formation of the United States in 1776. I think the 13 colonies need to be treated as distinct. However we do it, I do not think there is good reason to have either 15th or 16th century American people categories or sub-categories. At earliest we begin the categories with the colonization if Jamestown in 1607, but I think that is too broad a scope.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Ethnicity as a de facto nationslity
For some people who either A-live in a stateless society, or b-live in States for which we cannot gather enough articles to create a reasonable sized Category, we categorize them by ethnicity not nationality. The Comanche come to mind but there are many cases. The issue is some Comanche effectively lived outside the control and society of any country, we have later who lived much of their life as subjects of the US or Mexico or maybe elsewhere. I am thinking ERGS rules look different. A person like Pocahontas, and even Sacagawea was enough a part of various colonial or post-colonial countries that thry can be said to have been nationals of them. This may not quite be the case for Uncas, and is clearly the case for some people. We need to avoid using ERGS rules to force placing people in categories that make no sense. Eli Parker is without question America, are many other historical Native Americans,but there are some who are not. Also, since we categorize by ethnicity not race, We have to ask would this person self-describe as Native American or a like scope term as an ethnicity. For people like Uncas, Powhatan and Massasoit the answer is clearly no, e would see themselves as various ethnic identies like Mohican and Wampanoag, not in terms of broad ethno/racial categories like "Native American". We need to be conscious of these facts when creating categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Animals and humans in same deaths categories
It appears articles on animsls are mixed in with cause of death categories that also include humans.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:30, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Emigrants from the Grand Duchy of Tuscany to England has been nominated for splitting
Category:Emigrants from the Grand Duchy of Tuscany to England has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 22:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Emigrants from the Grand Duchy of Tuscany to France has been nominated for splitting
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Category:English expatriates in the Grand Duchy of Tuscany has been nominated for splitting
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Category:People from the British Central Africa Protectorate has been nominated for splitting
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Men in politics categories
Because of the proponderance of men in politicis, it does not really make semse to have any men in politics categories. For some reason we do though.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Emigrants from Dutch Ceylon to France has been nominated for splitting
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Category:Emigrants from the Colony of Natal to the United States has been nominated for splitting
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Category:Emigrants from the Colony of Natal to Australia has been nominated for splitting
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Category:Emigrants from the Colony of Natal to the United Kingdom has been nominated for splitting
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Category:Emigrants from Dutch Guiana to the United States has been nominated for splitting
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Ashanti Alston
Ashanti Alston is said to be a writer. Just looking at the article he seems to be an Anarchist writer. I am thinking the best Category to put him in would be American anarchist writers. I am not sure where that would fall though. I am also not sure what we would have left in American anarchists after that. However since he is in a non-diffusing ethnicity cat, at least if the description of him as a writer makes sense we need to place him in a writer cat as well. Since some anarchists were just speakers, activists or other things and not writers I think this would work. I am not sure if this would go under an existing sub-cat of American writers, or need to go directly under American writers.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Question
why if we have decided China=People's Republic of China at present, do we have a "deaths in the peoples Republic of China" Category tree at all?John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:18, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Journalists killed in the Ottoman Empire has been nominated for deletion
Category:Journalists killed in the Ottoman Empire has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 15:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Concubines from the Ottoman Empire has been nominated for renaming
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Cause of death
When someone is euthanized, that is what thry die of. Thry should be categorized by that, and not be illnesses they then had.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:36, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * But would they have been euthanized without having the illness? I think that both should be listed. Mason (talk) 04:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Would they have died of the illness if not euthanize, or dolled of something else? We cannot know. Death categories are not meant to pack all known information about deaths. What we need in categories is grouping by coherent groups. We limit categories for lots of things to only when it causes death. Just having most diseases is generally considered not defining enough to place in a Category. Categories need to be clearly linked to what is known, not mere speculation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:09, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Deaths from breast cancer
Can you please populate the deaths from FOOian cancer categories you're making with at least 5 pages? Category:Deaths from breast cancer in New York (state) has only one page in it. Thanks Mason (talk) 05:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Well A-it is Christmas Eve and I have large demands on my time. B-this is a truly gargantuan project. There are over 1000 articles in deaths from cancer in New York (stste) and over 800 in deaths from breast cancer. The easiest way to do things is run down one Category or the other and break everything out. With lymphoma and melanoma I have completed those Category breakouts as much as I feel like. I kept it limited to with lymphoma only 7 categories -US, UK, Australia, California, Texas, New York (state) and Florida. There were already 2 plotter sub-categories, although I have doubts the non-hodgekins makes sense, since it is grouping things as not something else when they very a lot, I see no reason to not just have all that directly in the parent. Melanoma I briloke out to US, UK, Canada, Australia, California and New York (state). Reviewing this is rltedious because the relevant information is missing from some articles so thry have to just be removed, bit other times it is buried in the article. A few articles list the cause of death bur not in the section titled death, and many articles say lots after the dwath is mentioned, so just looking at the end will not tell you what is going on. It took a lot of planning to determine the 13 workable by place sub-cats, only 3 had existed. As mentioned elsewhere I am still not sure melanoma is the best name, half of me thinks it should be a slightly more broad skin cancer. Throat and bone cancer have lots of type sub-cats. My right guess is 60% of cancer articles do not give any more details than cancer, 10% never mention cancer at all, 5% do not give the place of death, and the remaining 35% can be broken out, but it is hard to know before starting how many articles will end up in the category. Also, I just went from 1 to 4 children living with me and my wife, including a 5-month-old baby. So I am trying to break the categories up. I have 11 cancers to review (breast, prostate, lung, pancreatic, bone, brain, throat, leukemia, liver, colorectal, and stomach), and I have no clue how many place sub-cats. Lung, pancreatic and brain are somewhat diffused, and I began reviewing breast and leukemia. I have fully reviewed Taiwan and Turkey,burmt I do know not all by type have been dispersed by place when place of death is known. I did review a few states, but those were mostly before I fully developed the break out scheme. This will take a while.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:28, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that if you make a category, you should be able to add 5 pages to it. In the future, if you can't do that, please don't make the category. Mason (talk) 15:37, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Regardless, I think that this cancer type project is a good project for you. :) Mason (talk) 15:51, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not sure how long I will stay on it. I much prefer the year of birth project. I think most of these categories can be taken to 5, it will just take time. We have 41 cancer death by country categories that are not at 5 articles, so someone needs to consider what to do about that. We also have problems with pancreatic, lung and brain cancer categories that other editors started, but there is still room to diffuse, so I am not sure what the issue will look like in the end.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:47, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I have not determined the best size levels before diffusing. Deaths from cancer in Morocco only has 10 articles, so I am not going to diffuse at all. I would say we need at least 50 to diffuse. Deaths from cancer in Utah has over 50, but I am not going to diffuse. I am not going to diffuse by place any Category I have not started. Ovarian and bladder cancer both have roughly 200, but I do not think any diffusion by place would help. Even though melanoma and lymphoma only diffuse by 3-4 countries, we are still looking at I think over half our existing articles being diffused. I have to wonder if all the sub-national diffusing we have makes sense.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:54, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Armenian Roman Catholics has been nominated for merging
Category:Armenian Roman Catholics has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:28, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Deaths from leukrmia in Florida


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Major General David Stewart of Garth
Stewart is a significant figure in the debate about the highland clearances, often quoted by those who do not feel that the clearances were inevitable, necessary and beneficial and by those who argue that the native, Gaelic speaking, population were not inferior beings who needed to be removed to achieve economic progress. I would suggest that the paragraph I inserted, quoting Ian Grimble's book, should not have been deleted as it shows Stewart' place in this discussion. It can be argued that this is what most makes him important in Scottish current historiography. Ronaldcameron (talk) 11:18, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Mandatory Palestine expatriates in Italian East Africa has been nominated for splitting
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Category:Anarchists from Austria-Hungary has been nominated for merging
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Category:Sportspeople from the Colony of Queensland has been nominated for splitting
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Category:Sportspeople from the Colony of New South Wales has been nominated for splitting
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Category:Sportspeople from the Colony of South Australia has been nominated for splitting
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Category:Sportspeople from the Colony of Tasmania has been nominated for splitting
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Category:Sportspeople from the Colony of Victoria has been nominated for splitting
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Category:Engineers from the Colony of New South Wales has been nominated for splitting
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