User talk:Johnuniq/sandbox3

Rescue sources
For anyone interested in trying to rescue any of these articles, here's an interesting data file that refers to some of the units (e.g., "Whole deal") and includes a list of other references: http://www.neuron.yale.edu/neuron/static/docs/units/units.dat JoeSperrazza (talk) 18:51, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Comment on non-notable terms
Thinking particularly of these prefixes like micri which basically never made it, adding them to Wiktionary might be a genuinely useful step. In other words, if there really is a dictionary entry we should make it that... Imaginatorium (talk) 11:44, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

What about redirects?
There is at least Anamese_units_of_measurement, (how do I add redirect=no?) which is an extremely unlikely misspelling for Annamese. (Is there no end to this?) Imaginatorium (talk) 06:19, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I learned that recently: no redirect: Anamese units of measurement. I think we should concentrate on the main list of articles until that is finished. A couple of days after that we can start an AfD. There should be a result about a week after that. Then, we can look at the other stuff like redirects. Johnuniq (talk) 07:16, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

AfD 1
Would anyone interested please review User:Johnuniq/sandbox3 to consider whether the proposal for a group deletion request should proceed as planned, or whether some change would be desirable. I am pinging people who have edited here: Anna Frodesiak + Hoary + Imaginatorium + Isaidnoway + JoeSperrazza.

When I make the AfD (in a day or two?), who should be notified? Obviously the article creator, and I'll do that as part of the AfD. However, what about people who commented at the existing AfDs? For reference, the AfDs are: Botella (measurement) + Calibre(unit) + Quarter yard + Salt spoon (unit) + Solomon (unit) + UK and US counting units + UKline. There was also the discussion at this ANI archive.

@Anna Frodesiak: Perhaps you might notify those whom you think should be notified, after I make the AfD? Johnuniq (talk) 00:55, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I cannot comment on what should be AfD because I do not know the subject. Most efficient may be to ping everyone to this page asking them to watchlist the AfDable pages. Then, they will see if and when they are AfDed. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:21, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There are around 90 articles and I'm not sure that relying on over-worked watchlists would be enough. I'll just ping the editors above in my next edit. Johnuniq (talk) 04:10, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I have nominated the 34 articles for deletion—see Articles for deletion/Aum (unit). Notifying those who have edited here: Anna Frodesiak + Hoary + Imaginatorium + Isaidnoway + JoeSperrazza. Johnuniq (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

MfD 1
User:‎Andrew Davidson has nominated my page on Cardarelli for deletion. This appears to me to be harrassment; I know nothing of the procedures etc here and would be grateful for advice. I thought that our "editing policies" were basically about collaborating to make a better WP, but sometimes I wonder. Imaginatorium (talk) 18:34, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I disagree with Davidson; however, this doesn't appear to me to be harassment. Instead, it's just a minor annoyance. The thing to do is to think of the most promising way of swatting it away. &para; Harassment does exist in Wikipedia namespace (or to quote a RW friend of mine, "the rear end of Wikipedia"), as does vindictiveness; but to charge anybody with either is likely to rebound in an undesired way unless of course one has overwhelmingly powerful evidence for the charge and coolly presents this as a list of diffs on WP:AN/I. -- Hoary (talk) 01:43, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Approach to AfDs or merges
I voted (or is that !voted? whateverthatis) to Delete on AfD1, but I have doubts whether this Big Bag approach is best. I think it would be better to find collections of entries which belong to one coherent topic, and merge them to wherever. In particular, there are new AfDs by User:‎Legacypac for Square link and Square chain. I think these, and the Ramsden's (square) chain/link articles should all be put together. Is an AfD even necessary, though? Couldn't they all be left as redirects to chain (unit)? I am also not sure if it is WP:LEGALLY WP:PERMITTED to add a link to this page from these AfDs. Imaginatorium (talk) 07:58, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I keep coming across these when reviewing new articles. I've redirected a couple now, an nominated others for deletion.  I'll try to redirect from now on instead. Legacypac (talk) 08:02, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem is that if an article is changed to a redirect by a simple edit, anyone can restore the article at any time (for example, see the history at Anker (unit)). That's why I think an AfD, however tedious, is better because an AfD decision to redirect is much harder to overturn. It does appear that the group AfD is too much for third-parties to engage with, and the discussion shows some rehearsed comments that don't have much to do with the articles listed for deletion. Smaller groups at AfD would be better. Johnuniq (talk) 08:25, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Argentine units of measurement
I have been looking at this page: Argentine units of measurement. There are a couple of fairly odd things about it:

1. There are two sets of units, from non-corroborating sources, one with names in German, the other in Spanish.

2. The bit at the end ('after metrication') makes no sense, particularly as it refers to three systems of units, "old", "metric", and "English". I added a "Confusing" tag, and asked the original author for explanation on their talk page User talk:Shevonsilva‎. I got a reply which to me explains nothing, and the "confusing" tag has been removed. As far as I'm concerned it's still totally confused, but I do not want to appear to be heckling, so I would be grateful if someone else could take a look and comment. Thanks. Imaginatorium (talk) 10:40, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Good luck, but I haven't got the strength to consider the "other" articles at the moment. I will update the list in the next day or two to include the latest, but I'm going to take it easy while the current AfDs are in progress. Johnuniq (talk) 11:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I sorted this out (a bit, anyway): our editor had inadvertently copied the entries for Austria in the adjacent column. Imaginatorium (talk) 06:46, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

More curiosity
There are some more utterly implausible claims in Pound (mass). Perhaps this section could be deleted? (Incidentally, I discovered that Cardarelli copied the nonsense Japanese straight out of that 1920 US book. Ho hum.) Imaginatorium (talk) 19:16, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow. A lot of cleanup is going to be needed. Johnuniq (talk) 23:29, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

And more: Poiseuille. This was not a new article, but replaced a redirect to Jean Léonard Marie Poiseuille who is the chap the Poise is named after. The article on the scientist mentions the "Poiseuille" which apparently never took hold. Should I just add new units articles to the list (Section 1), or do you want to start YAlist? Imaginatorium (talk) 05:00, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Groan. I recommend adding anything you notice to a new section so it will be easier for me to sort out what has been added when I next feel like updating the whole thing. Perhaps a subsection of "Other articles" ("===More units==="?) with just a link to the article. I'll update it all later. Johnuniq (talk) 08:47, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Country entries
I think I already said that it makes much more sense to have an article called "Units of measurement in (country X)", but there are many problems with some of these. The following have been put up for deletion:
 * Australian units of measurement AfD
 * Mozambican units of measurement‎ PROD

I suggest we need a full list. A specialist in some language, such as Arabic in particular, is desperately needed to assess some of these; see the PROD comments on Mozambican for example. Imaginatorium (talk) 06:51, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. I wanted a break from the fuss, but I've got caught up in some other stuff. I intend returning to the issue soonish. Johnuniq (talk) 10:18, 8 February 2015 (UTC)