User talk:Johnwegl

July 2007
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A tag has been placed on Odyssey Percussion Theatre, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Realkyhick 19:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Being "prudent" is by no means whatsoever an argument for inclusion/against deletion. Furthermore, the existence of similar articles does not justify the existence of this one — indeed, it may indicate that the others are not notable and simply haven't been found yet. I stand by my assessment for speedy deletion.


 * Ensembles with Division I status in DCI have pretty much been established as automatically notable for Wikipedia. The group that your group belongs to has not reached that status as of yet.


 * From now on, please sign your messages to others with four tilde characters (~) so that we may more easily respond. Realkyhick 22:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Please forgive me for not responding correct. I am new and still learning the ropes a bit.

I assert that being "Percussion Independent World" is parallel to being Division 1 status, since there's no classification as Division 1 in WGI. PIW is the highest classification a group can be in WGI. What is notable about this is that Odyssey achieved this status first year out and made finals. This is something that is not normally done. Most groups come out in Independent Open (Division 2) and then get bumped up after a year of competition. Those that have come out in Independent World traditionally hasn't done well. Odyssey was established in Independent World straight out of the gate and finished in the top 6.

Would this group not fall under the Organization WikiProject?

Other note about this organization is how it has brought many people with varying backgrounds together for a common goal. There are former members now on tour with Blast that are on staff with Odyssey as well as former staff that is now on tour with Cirque du Soleil and from local universities (Auburn University, University of Georgia and Georgia Tech). Please reconsider speedy deletion. Johnwegl 02:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)JohnweglJohnwegl 02:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC) Johnwegl


 * I think the problem here is that various editors and administrators seem to agree that individual units that compete in WGI are not themselves notable by Wikipedia standards. The consensus seems to be that WGI is somewhat of a "niche" competition that does not rise to the level of recognition of DCI or DCA. While WGI merits its own article, individual competing units don't appear to. This article was apparently speedy-deleted twice by separate administrators, once after I flagged the first version and again after another editor flagged it when you re-posted the article. When an article is speedy-deleted twice in quick succession, chances are pretty good that the subject isn't going to meet notability standards, and it's time to move on to something else.

So who decides that this isn't a "niche" competition (seeing that over 35k were at finals this year)? Also, it was speedy deleted the first time because of the way it was written. Looking back at the original format I would agree to that deletion. The second deletion I don't agree with. It did provide history and merit. It was a creditable article. I guess my question would be when would a group be considered and not deleted? How much time has to pass? Johnwegl 02:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)JohnweglJohnwegl 02:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC) Johnwegl


 * The easy answer is to read over WP:NOTE to understand Wikipedia's notability standards. Having said that, it is still somewhat subjective. Coverage of a subject by the news media — newspapers, TV, magazines and such — helps determine notability, especially if it is online and can be linked to in a citation (footnote). Make sure they are reliable sources, too. I can't comment on the second article you submitted because it came and went before I saw it. Realkyhick 15:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)