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Removing PROD of The Most Deadly Game
Why did you remove the PROD tag? This topic is obviously non-notable, even with two known actors. How is this topic notable? --George Ho (talk) 11:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a television program that existed. There are multiple sources confirming this fact. Question is, why did you add the PROD?-- JOJ Hutton  13:08, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope this essay helps: WP:EXISTS, Existence ≠ Notability, and other essays. Also, there is no proof that this topic follows WP:GNG; no official guidelines or policies for televisions and fiction are commonly accepted at this time, and WP:Notability (fiction) is currently an essay, not a policy or guideline. How does this topic receive significant coverage? Trivial coverage is absent from GNG; have you found reliable third-party or independent sources that significantly covered this topic? Which significant coverages? --George Ho (talk) 16:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This link (http://www.netglimse.com/celebs/pages/george_maharis/index.shtml) is tagged for violating copyrights of George Maharis article. Just be careful next time! By the way, this show is discussed in WP:Notability/Noticeboard. --George Ho (talk) 10:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Re; Terra Nova edits
Since you seem determined to follow my edits around, you might consider that discussion is going to work a lot better with not only me, but your fellow editors as well. I invite you to discuss your edits using the article discussion page. Specifically, it might be extremely helpful for you to bring the relevant passage of MOS TV that you think governs your editorial belief. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:30, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please back up your belief that I am some how harassing you with evidence. This is not the first time you have mentioned harassment/stalking and I take these accusations very seriously against my character. JOJ  Hutton  12:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You know what? Never mind. It would take too much time that I simply do not have to point out each instance. Therefore, I won't make the claim again, unless the problem pops up elsewhere. I'll be monitoring the situation more carefully and hopefully will not have any subsequent problems. I won't be contacting you again, either. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 08:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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Restoring content without explanation
Your restored the Stargazer and Excelsior content with no explanation as to why. There are a couple of prompts on the latter's talk page explaining the purpose behind a redirect, and several conversations about WP:GNG of individual Star Trek ships on the Wikiproject talk page. None of the edits to the articles add an assertion of notability, nor references to significant third-party coverage. You've been editing for several years, so I know you know these policies. In the next couple of days, please initiate a conversation explaining your restoration of this content at the Wikiproject talk page (likely has more watchlisters than either of the individual articles). Many thanks. --EEMIV (talk) 02:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, I did restore two articles that were redirected to other pages without any discussion. Redirects are defacto deletions, and should never be left in the hands of a single editor. This is disruptive to the consensus building process. Another policy editors who have been editing for several years should know.
 * Before restoring any redirect, I always look on the talk page, to see what the consensus to this redirect was. In these two cases, there was no community discussion, although as you stated, you did give a rationale at one of the articles, but that was hardly a discussion. Discussion, and not the wishes of a single editor, is the keystone to building Wikipedia. If there was a discussion at the wikiproject that formed a consensus on redirecting these articles, and I missed it, then please link it for me if you could. Otherwise these types of discussions should take place at each articles talk page. If and when consensus decides to redirect the articles, then they can be appropriately redirected to whatever page in agreed upon.-- JOJ Hutton  03:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Please take a gander here for the most recent bouncing around of ideas re. individual ships and classes. Yes, you're right: I didn't post a "hey, I'm thinking about redirecting this" notice on the Excelsior talk page, which I had done for most of the ship class articles, and I should have. Sorry about that. (By the way, I didn't mean for my earlier post to come across as snide or condescending; if it did, my bad.) The Stargazer redirect came from another editor ~3 years ago, although I support it, too.
 * Anyhow, unless you beat me to it, tomorrow morning I'll post a flag at the Wikiproject talk page asking for input -- again, I think there are more interested eyeballs there than on these two ships. If you don't find the above-linked conversation to your satisfaction, would you be okay carrying out the conversation on the wikiproject page, with an appropriate pointer from the individual articles' talk pages? Happy editing, and goodnight. --EEMIV (talk) 05:27, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I took a closer look at the conversation I mentioned above and, yeah, it focuses just on ship classes. I think the same underlying issue of WP:GNG is relevant for individual vessels, but I'll still go ahead and start up a specific thread about individual ships. --EEMIV (talk) 05:29, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I opted instead to go ahead and initiate (for the Stargazer) and sustain (for the Excelsior) GNG conversations on the individual article talk pages, and also put a pointer on the wikiproject page asking for additional comments. Your edit summary restoring the Excelsior article reads "Needs more discussion", but you have not yet engaged in the discussion/responded to my 23 Jan rationale for redirect on the talk page. I'd appreciate it if you would. --EEMIV (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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Could you get the Alexa bot to do the job correctly by yuy if you really feel the flag must go but please stop editing after it. You forgot to say th data was from the US when you changed the Conservapedia article. It would be better if you left it alone than started messing it up every so often to pursue your agenda. Dmcq (talk) 20:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You should not readd icons into infoboxes that are clearly against MOS.-- JOJ Hutton  21:10, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Still pushing the old MOSFLAG line, eh? You know the MOS is ambiguous, yet you just carry on applying it all kinds of ways. If this flag really really has to go, because it's such a horrific, eye-watering blight on the article, then something has to replace it or the statistic makes no sense. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:22, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you do not like the MOS as it is written, then go to the proper venue to request a change. Its not ambiguous, it says clearly to avoid flags in infoboxes. Attacking me on my talk page is not only disruptive, but may get you reported if it continues.-- JOJ Hutton  21:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That wasn't an attack, and you know as well as I do that reporting me for something like that is pointless. We've been there a hundred times - it says "avoid", not that they are prohibited. The Conservapedia flag has a purpose - either leave it there or add something which performs the same purpose. Not hard. What's disruptive is removing something which has a function and not replacing it, leaving a nonsense. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:49, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "Avoid".... Yes, that's exactly what I wrote. And don't confuse or interpret the need for information, as the need for an icon or a flag. It's not the same. never has been, never will be. The information at "Conservapedia" may have a purpose, but not necessarily the flag, as you suggest.-- JOJ Hutton  23:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Who suggested it was the same? You don't appear to understand anything either I or Dmcq have said. Before you took the flag away, it was denoting that the following data was from the US. After you took the flag away, there was nothing to say where the data was from. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:15, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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Rafael Palmeiro
In addition to being poorly worded, which in itself was grounds for deletion, there's no indication that Raffy was suspended for life. Maybe he was "boycotted", but that's not the same thing. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I did as quick Internet search and couldn't find anything either. Most likely the person who added that information was just a POV pusher. -- JOJ Hutton  01:26, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

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thanks for fixing that citation re the This American Life and the Mike Daisey fabrications Decora (talk) 00:32, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Restoring ST ship "content" redux
Once again: There is a discussion here, which also points toward the Wikiproject talk page. I'll again point you toward the long-standing wikiproject discussion for articles about Star Trek ships. Please stop restoring content without actually engaging in conversation about the content's failure to meet WP:GNG (which is the wikiproject consensus). Please respond to the prod for redirect discussion on the article page and/or the wikiproject page. As an aside, "more thorough" does not trump WP:GNG, WP:RS. --EEMIV (talk) 18:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

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ANI
I wish to bring this from yesterday, to your attention. I think at least two admins are encouraging B3430715. It is my strong impression he is a 'weak' troll, and look at what is happening at the ANI. Do you know why this means so much to me? Because I have been severely punished for being uncivil in the past. But this editor gets to do what he pleases, apparently. ANI is pure rubbish. Or am I in error about this?— Djathink imacowboy  17:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not canvassing, but have you seen this deliberate disruption to the ANI itself? Perhaps I must let him go, but he's going to be in the soup sooner rather than later. The admins went far too easy on this editor.— Djathink imacowboy  20:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

April Masini
Hi Jojhutton. I have read several of your comments on various pages and wondered if you might be willing to offer me your opinion on the April Masini page? It was originally created by GMHayes and received some really bad feedback calling for it to be deleted. I just finished adding over 50 references to the page (including excerpts) and I would be incredibly grateful if you would take a look at it and tell me your opinion? Thanks so much in advance. Jennyspencer (talk) 16:53, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Banned user?
Hi, I noticed you have reverted several edits by with the statement "revert changes made by a banned user". While I agree the edits are annoying, what are you basing your accusation on, and have you reported this to administrators? &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 19:27, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I realize that perhaps "banned" was probably not the correct technical term in this instance, but at least an "indefinitely blocked" user. No need to split hairs on terminology. This user is a sock of User:Jonathan Yip. And User New York is making the same type of edits. Confirmed socks of Jonathon Yip. I was planning on reporting this user as well, when I had the chance.-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  19:35, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I see it now. I got hung up on your use of the term "banned". I have added to the Jonathan Yip SPI. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 19:38, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. ; ) -- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  19:41, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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Repeated Acts of Vandalism on Automotive Superlatives Page
I spent hours and hours reorganizing and fixing format on the Automotives Superlatives page and you continue your acts of apparent vandalism. Each time I undo those acts I offer succinct but detailed reasons and you pretend I have offered no justification when you undo my corrections. You have yet to offer even one coherent sentence for why you are making the changes you have made. Moreover the format of your changes is completely inconsistent with the entire section and is inconsistent with Wikipedia practice (or any practice). (Moreover it is extremely sloppy.) If you want to make a change pease make it a small one and offer a JUSTIFICATION. Thank You. Sadowski (talk) 01:05, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh.......Really? I' couldnt find any evidence that I had ever even edited that page, let alone vandalized it. I don't think you have the right person. Could you look again and perhaps come to a different conclusion?-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  01:46, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * All I can tell you is this Talk Page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Meio) is associated with the edits I am referring to. Oddly the Talk Page has no User Page but the user identifies himself as you and links to your User Page. If it's not you then someone else is claiming your identity. Sadowski (talk) 16:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see where the user is identifying himself as me. Perhaps you are confusing the welcome message I left for this user nearly two years ago as the identification. It's not. Read The welcome template page to gain a further understanding of what that really is. Hopefully you won't accidentally warn someone else in the future. -- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  16:35, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think the fact that the User has no Talk page was confusing me. Sadowski (talk) 17:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2012
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Disneyland. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. ''There is a legitimate concern regarding this date, and you have been asked to discuss this. Please stop reverting each other's work and go to the talk page. --''  McDoob AU  93  02:53, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * No, the edits are from a sock of a currently blocked/banned user Jonathon Yip. Please look more carefully.-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  03:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I know you're trying to fix Jonathan Yip's work, but if you'll please look at the talk page for the article, there are sources that back up the July 18 date as being the official opening date. -- McDoob  AU  93  03:09, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not taking sides in any dispute, but sock puppets need to be reverted on site. The other editor IS the sock.-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  03:11, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're suggesting that is a sockpuppet, you'll need to flag the account accordingly. I don't see anything connecting him to Jonathan Yip, nor are there any suspected sockpuppet tags on GeorgeKelsey's user page. If that's the case, then full-protection of the article could still be beneficial, since the Kelsey account has been around for a while (although there is a rather curious four-year gap in editing until now) and should be auto-confirmed.  -- McDoob  AU  93  03:19, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Lets see. Now blocked and confirmed sock puppet of Jonathon Yip, User:New York4152 made this edit just today. Then was later blocked as a sock.  Then the next user comes along two hours later making the same edits. Not really rocket science on this one. Hardly a need to bother a check user when a simple duck test says it all.-- JOJ  <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  03:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I'm not hearing quacking. Jonathan Yip didn't start until June 2011, while GeorgeKelsey was started in 2008. Yes, GeorgeKelsey hasn't edited in 4 years, but the editor hasn't been blocked, according to the block log. So that means either the editor has returned on their own, or Jonathan Yip hacked into the account and assumed GeorgeKelsey's identity. Or, George is the puppeteer and Jonathan Yip was one of his socks. -- McDoob  AU  93  03:42, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Could really seriously use an auto block exempt too
This is getting out if hand. My account keeps getting caught up in an auto block and I seriously need an auto block exemption because this is ridiculous. I couldn't even edit my own talk page to leave this message. I had to turn off the wifi on my phone and leave this unblock request using my phones data plan. JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  16:52, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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In trying to discover things about fantasy football, it appears everyone quotes Wikipedia regarding how fantasy football began. The problem is that there is no information about where Gary Chiapetta and Davad Mcnamara were when they refined the scoring rules. I would like to contact them but can't find out where to start. Can you help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.154.43.10 (talk) 22:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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Have you been looking at my user page? You better tell the truth, or else! ...Just kidding, I take that threat back. :) By the way, I noticed that you reverted my edit on the article Apple Inc. As a matter of FACT, NOT opinion, it is actually true that Apple is very stubborn about their products and their users are diminishing and I know what I'm talking about. Interlude 65  02:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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 * No, I will NOT read the three policies that were linked! Why? BOOORRRRIIINNGGG! Interlude 65  03:09, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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Change of "Quantum leap" redirect destination
Hello. I looked up "quantum leap" (in lowercase) and was surprised to find myself reading an article about a television show. It seems that you modified that redirect page a few days ago. I have the strong impression that the concept in physics, and the informal use of the phrase to refer to sudden changes in general, is the primary meaning of this phrase (especially in lowercase). I reverted your change, and I invite you to discuss the issue at Talk:Quantum leap. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:54, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a simple case sensitivity problem. There is or was a message at Quantum Leap directing readers to the other article in the off chance that it was their target. The fact is that the primary article is titled "Quantum Leap". The other article is titled something else altogether. This is last months article views for Atomic electron transition which averages less than 100 views a day, although there was a one day spike of about 800. Quantum Leap, however averaged around 1500. The more popular article should get the redirect, especially when we are talking about simple case sensitivity.-- JOJ  <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  02:27, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. I thought that in such cases, we would not redirect a lowercase phrase to an uppercase proper name like that, particularly when the title of the TV show is derived from the name of the subject of the other article. I have seen such redirects in the other direction, but not from the lowercase to the uppercase. To me it seems like when most people use the phrase "quantum leap" (in lowercase), they are not referring to an early '90s television show. Personally, I wasn't even aware of the television show. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:51, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually it's a very popular show. The article gets a lot of views. I was surprised to see just how many. Looks like when most people come to wikipedia, they are searching for the television show and not the science article, based on the number of article views. A lot of confused people will be redirected to that other article, who will not be looking for it.-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  03:03, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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I have proposed a task force of two shows; join in discussion. --George Ho (talk) 16:43, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Chick-Fil-A
I see that you are interested in Reagan. Perhaps you might be interested in !voting here. – Lionel (talk) 01:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Although I appreciate the support, I'm officially uninvolved in the overall debate. My only concern in this regard, is that deletion discussions are not closed after 20 minutes by an involved admin, with the statement that "it was going to be a snow delete anyway" JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  01:20, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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There is no consensus to merge, but it should not stop me from changing scope of this article, does it? --George Ho (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * First you did a controversial page move and although pages can be boldly moved, this is controversial and should be discussed. Bold edits are fine, but I reverted based on the same controversial nature. Per WP:BRD you should propose these changes first before making them again. JOJ  <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  04:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have done the RFC. Also, I've reverted everything back due to your reverts, so messy things are resolved. --George Ho (talk) 04:27, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Reverting without discussion
If you're not going to join in the discussion, I suggest you refrain from reverting editors who have joined the discussion. As discussed in talk, there is no justification for including content sourced to open wikis. I'll ask you to self revert or justify your revert according to policy on the talk page. aprock (talk) 05:50, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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I've found that the best way to misunderstandings is to ask before jumping to conclusions. Hope that helps. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 04:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Good job. Keep up the clear communications! While you're at it, I'd like to point out that, besides accidentally misinterpreting my statement, you accidentally prefaced your report with a whole paragraph of completely misleading and irrelevant comments about my edit history. Clearly, none of it related to the legal threat you imagined, and it could only have served to prejudice the admins against me. Hmm, I hope I'm not misinterpreting you, so I'm asking. What was your intent here? Why did you bring up all of that peripheral nonsense? Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 07:49, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Your silence speaks louder than words. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 16:47, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Given that you falsely accused me of violating policy, I think it's particularly insulting to call me a troll. You've been unceasingly hostile from the start, and that's in conflict with the intended collegial atmosphere. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 23:30, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Lilith Sternin
I think I have inserted enough info about Lilith's relationship with Sam, Carla, Rebecca, and Frasier. However, they still involve Frasier when it comes to her relationships with others. I'll insert examples of Lilith's relationship with Norm... or Cliff. I don't know which example about her relationship with Woody is. As for Lilith's relationship with the Crane men, I think there is enough info in the "Frasier" section. --George Ho (talk) 05:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As for the article itself, as I said, this article still involved Frasier and Lilith, and Lilith's relationship with people would be worthless without Frasier's involvement. Agree? --George Ho (talk) 06:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Give me a day or so to peruse the article. You have a point about the relationships, but still feel that the article is a stand alone article. It would be poor precedent to set, to assume that an topic can't be a stand alone article based on relationships alone. By use ing that reason alone, articles such as Lois Lane (Smallville), wouldn't exists either. There are just times when stand alone articles simply fulfill the needs of the project.-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  13:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's been one week since. What are your thought currently? --George Ho (talk) 22:45, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the article needs more commentary about her relationships with other Cheers characters. If I remember correctly, didn't she and Carla have a running gag "tit-for-tat", for lack of a better word, from time to time. I don't personally "own" the last three seasons of the show, so I can't personally verify. She would often times offer advice, especially to the female characters of the show. Didn't she take singing lessons and became quite a good singer? She entertained/stalled the guests at Woody's wedding and would sing to her son. Sometimes she would act out of character. Normally she is reserved and conservative, bit she shows her "hidden" side sometimes, like when she learned how to drive, or when Woody's cousin worked at the bar for one episode, she and the other gals, ogled him all episode. I always loved when Lilith did things that were "out of character" for her. Those are the things that are missing.-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  23:15, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Look, I'm working on season two; the "tit-tat" stuff is too trivial, as well as her singing talents. The fact: she appeared in both shows, and only Frasier and Frederick are part of her life significantly. Nothing or no one else matters, but then... I don't know. She did not reunite with Cheers characters in Frasier. Adding in too many details of trivial relationships would be a big mistake for me. Look at Diane Chambers article; I've made trivial relationships minimal as possible, didn't I? Also, Lilith in Cheers is different from Lilith in Frasier; didn't you notice? Speaking of singing, I don't know... Driving... I was going to add it, but... I don't know because it also involves Frasier. As said, she's totally different from herself in Frasier. --George Ho (talk) 20:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

On the other hand, I don't know. Let's discuss this further in Talk:Lilith Sternin. We'll discuss which part to leave in and leave out. --George Ho (talk) 06:20, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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That actually amused me. I'm an American who has lived a long time in Britain, and I'm continually trying to figure out what is American and what is British grammar, and even spelling words differently at different times. You may well be right about the spelling issue. And I find it odd that the citation template automatically puts date accessed in a dmy format. My analysis of Tamsier is that although he complains about Eurocentricism, he is probably an Afrocentrist (in the sense of the work of Cheikh Anta Diop. I try to be a nothing-centrist but it's hard. :-) Dougweller (talk) 16:41, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I wasn't trying to infer that he was right about you being "Eurocentric". I just saw an opportunity to add my opinion on the US/Europe debate on spelling and "what not". I was actually surprised that you were being accused of being Eurocentric, at least by my definition of it. But you're probably correct that this was more of an "Afrocentric" issue on his part, and not a debate over English varieties.-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  16:46, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't think you were accusing me of anything, it just made me think about your comments. Tamsier has made a huge mess by creating numerous Serer related articles that assume that we can say that the Serer have been around for thousands of years, ignoring viewpoints that suggest that they emerged as an 11th century split from a culture that had adopted Islam. I guess you can argue that as they kept their traditional religion you can somehow call the original culture Serer, but that seems pretty tricky. But I don't think the Serer as a particular interest of yours, right? Dougweller (talk) 02:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh.....nope. In fact I got lost halfway through reading your comment. LOL.-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  02:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk Page Guidelines
I've left you a response at my Talk page to your templating of me. But I'm coming to your page, because I see you reverted my refactoring and reintroduced the attack comments into the Talk page. As an editor who prominently claims "Senior Editor" status, you should recognize the difference between a legitimate comment that is a part of a rational debate, and a personal attack that is simply not welcome.

I will quote the Talk page guidelines for you here, specifically Talk Page Guidelines:


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I highlighted a particular bit that is highly relevant here. Debates in Wikipedia are messy enough without people tossing threats around. If an editor is misbehaving, policy allows for explanation of the consequences of violating Wikipedia policies. However, attempts to chill debate by making threats are not permitted. If someone has a real issue with the editor, they can either go to that user's Talk page directly, to an Admin, or to an appropriate noticeboard. There is no need for personal attacks. -- Avanu (talk) 20:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

FYI: Telling a person that they are going to get a block because they maintain the same opinion in debate as what they started with is not mere "invective". It is clearly in opposition to policy. And there are appropriate places for such claims, but that is not the article Talk page. -- Avanu (talk) 21:20, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

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Insert non-formatted text here == Stop your stalking of my posts == --Tuco_bad 16:35, 4 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgersten (talk • contribs)
 * Your Tendentious attitude is very apparent. You continue to add controversial and poorly cited syntheses and original research that has been reverted by multiple editors on at least two pages. JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  16:52, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

You have even stalked me on my edit of the film Grand Hotel, Bush Jr., etc, what is wrong with you that you follow my posts? --Tuco_bad 17:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If you feel harrassed then please by all means make a report at ANI. I'm looking forward yo having your Edits looked at by a much larger audience. JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  17:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I would to file a report at ANI but do no not know the procedure.  --Tuco_bad 21:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgersten (talk • contribs)

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There is a controvertial sentence about Ryan's vice-presidential nomination speech being characterised as "lies". I and many good others objected to include this allegation (of "lies") because it came from highly-partisan sources, with a long and well-known history of anti-Republican bias. There was an extensive discussion in the Talk page, and no consensus was achieved. My point was simple: Presumption of Innocence means that if no consensus is achieved for calling someone a liar, you don't call that person a liar.

Based on that principle, I insisted - and still do - that the sentence which implies that Ryan is a liar is removed. It is based solely - I repeat: solely - on criticism from both Leftie-leaning sources. Hillariously enough, one of the major offenders in this edit-war, ImStillStanding24/7, also gave as a RS nothing else than... Bill Clinton. His position seems to be that if people in the Left criticize a conservative, that must mean it is true. This is a sad joke.

In any case, when there is a controversy whether to include/exclude an allegation, I claim that the thing to do is to exclude it. Simple and Safe. Please investigate this matter further (there is plenty of material in the Talk page of Paul Ryan). You may wish to revisit your comments on my Talk page. It would be awfully nice of you if you deleted them (you can use strikethrough). Looking forward to your response. Cheers Rtmcrrctr (talk) 01:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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Yosemite Hantavirus
Please check this out: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/06/health/yosemite-campers-hantavirus/index.html?iref=allsearch ..and then please also check this out: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/zombie-alert-issued-homeland-security-article-1.1154245 (the Zombie alert you had brought up was just a humorous tactic to alert the public of threats far more important!--it wasn't meant to be taken for real--even I could tell!) 173.63.176.93 (talk) 14:48, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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Airelor (talk) wishes you peace!

Spread peace and goodwill by adding {{subst:WikiPeace}} to other's talk pages with a friendly message. I first went to Yosemite National Park when I was 3 years old. Hiking up part one side of its rocky terrain with my family and friends so that we could meet a truck that would meet us at our destination with cold ice cream. However, things didn't work out so well for me. Instead, there is a photograph of me crying at our destination as a squirrel eats the ice cream that fell off my cone. I'm pretty sure a cousin or uncle of mine gave me some of their ice cream to eat after that.

The point is, I'm not trying to attack Yosemite Park. I have fond memories of being there and do not want to destroy its reputation anymore than you do. If the Hantavirus risk at Yosemite is a hoax like you claim it is, I still think it has enough exposure to merit mention. Even the Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention mentions and links to its joke Preparedness_101:_Zombie_Apocalypse Blog Post. Airelor (talk) 17:31, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not that the deaths are a hoax, but that the mention of these few deaths in the article gives them too much weight for the overall article. What point is there for including these deaths, and not all the others?-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  17:40, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Lilith Sternin
Talk:Lilith Sternin/Archive 1 is closed as "no consensus" to... I don't know what drmies meant. However, it seems to him that I was proposing a version, and he said that the current version is similar to the failed proposed one. Is he right on this? If so, must I revert everything back to this? --George Ho (talk) 11:44, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Innocence of Muslims ‎

 * Sources don't question the full length version exists

On the contrary, all we know is that a 14 minute YouTube video exists, and many sources question whether the full length version of the "film" actually exists. There isn't any person who has come forward to claim that they have seen such a film. Furthermore, the person who claimed the showing occurred and that 10 people attended has turned out to be an unreliable source who was a consultant to the project. So, you're wrong. Viriditas (talk) 14:08, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

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You reasoning for the move back got cut off. Please state in the talk page and let's discuss. Thanks. — Hasdi Bravo • 16:53, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I responded on the articles talk page JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  17:01, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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I feel like you and I are the only folk left there who value article quality. It's a triumph of Wikipolitics over principles at the moment. --John (talk) 05:34, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
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 * And yet there are good people there, acting with good intentions. They have just got into a mindset which makes it incredibly hard to actually improve the article. --John (talk) 22:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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I was recently approached by a user / users, with regards to possible edits to the Yosemite National Park article on Wikipedia. Link to this discussion follows:


 * Maybe I should've made it clearer in my first post here, which is now gone, that I wasn't trying to personally attack you. I didn't and still don't fully know how Wikipedia rules are usually interpreted and regulated. However, I think the way you were regulating Yosemite_National_Park was really bordering on too personal. See BITE and AGF if that helps, which I found while researching how to best write an article for my draft-edit User:Airelor/Yosemite_National_Park. Unfortunately, linking to articles in this manner doesn't really help a newcomer like me, because even though I can read it, I don't know what the general consensus already is of interpreting these long-winded guidelines. Especially with a controversial topic like Recentism, which makes a case for doing and not doing while referencing at least 3 other Wiki debates in the same article. You might be lucky and get newcomers willing to learn more, ask others, and own up to their mistakes. More likely, you'll get people "vandalizing" in response, because they don't know better and think you are leading some sort of Senior Editors Conspiracy like User_talk:173.63.176.93. I know people who won't join Wikipedia, because they've read so many news articles saying its all a helpless conspiracy even if that isn't the case.


 * I realize now why the Hantavirus issue is not significant enough to be put on the Yosemite_National_Park page. Even though, it seemed to significant to me on a national health standpoint, I wasn't an expert or well-read enough on the topic to know about the incident with the 3 hikers before or about the ongoing situation in person like User:Edit_Centric does. Although it was very unfortunate for Yosemite National Park that the 3 hikers lost their lives there last summer, there was and is still no evidence linking the incident to improper management of the Park. Similarly, there isn't enough information out there yet to conclusively say that the Hantavirus cases were directly caused by any of Yosemite National Park's improper management of their mice, tents, or other plants, animals, and habitats. I understand that now and I'm sorry for any extra trouble or grief I may have caused you.


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