User talk:Jojusu

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Need Ref for dating work of Minna Sundberg at DeviantArt
Could you please provide a reference that would substantiate the claim that Minna started publishing at DeviantArt as early as 2005? The reference as it stands now just points at Minna's gallery there, i.e. in its present form this hyperlink would qualify as an "External Link" for the article, not a reference to back up the claim regarding 2005 publishing date etc. Thanks! DBWikis (talk) 14:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Help me!
Jojusu (talk) 21:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The Minna Sundberg article desperately needs better references, but her own DeviantArt page will not help since it's yet another primary source. Wikipedia content should be based on secondary sources that discusse Sundberg in some detail, such as newspaper articles about her or reviews of her work. The article currently cites not even one source of that kind, which simply is not acceptable for the biography of a living person - after all, we're not here to give a platform for Sundberg's self-representation. If no independent source has commented on Sundberg's work on DeviantArt, it's probably not significant enough to be included in the Wikipedia article. Huon (talk) 21:43, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


 * In paragraph above this clause "not even one source" is definitely a stretch. E.g. this Ref: "", as well as ISBNs for her known publications. Agreed, however, that primary sources should be phased out and substituted by secondary sources etc. Thanks! DBWikis (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I stand by that clause. The Reuben Award website reporting on the Reuben Awards is not a secondary source and does not discuss Sundberg in any detail. If the article could not be improved, it would likely not survive a deletion discussion. Huon (talk) 12:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I respectfully disagree. The Reuben Award website reporting on the Reuben Awards will be a primary source in relation to information and claims related to Reuben Awards per se. In context of the discussed article on Minna Sundberg the Reuben Award reference is usable to corroborate the claim that M.Sundberg was given the Award in question. It can not be labeled as a primary source regarding the narrative focused on Minna's bio. In simple words reuben.org is not a site driven by Minna Sundberg to back up claims pertaining to facts of her CV, with respect to her it is a secondary info source, establishing the fact who are the 2015 winners. For example, if one would like to back up the claim that person X was awarded Nobel prize, the correct info source to cite will be the Nobel Committee, and not the media reporting the awards. Thanks! DBWikis (talk) 14:07, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with...I have removed primary sources, added secondary sources. Is it still bad?

Jojusu (talk) 13:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Those sources are indeed much better. Blogs aren't quite as reliable as we'd like, and Goodreads even less so, but the Mountain Echo, Guardian and WaPo establish that Sundberg indeed meets Wikipedia's standards of notability. See WP:Identifying reliable sources for details on what kinds of sources we should look for. Huon (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your great help in improving quality of Minna Sundberg article. Please review and outline suggested points for improvement on Talk:Minna Sundberg page. If possible please consider removal of the "{primary sources}" tag. DBWikis (talk) 03:56, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with...I visited on Talk:Minna Sundberg page. Unfortunately I didn't find/understand which are the improvement points suggested. I was also confused by the only Swedish connection. She has double citizenships (Finnish and Swedish), considering that she have lived 9 years of her life in Sweden and 16 years in Finland I think Finland should be considered as the focal area here. At last: Is it I who should consider "remove the "{primary sources}" tag" If so, where do I do that?

Jojusu (talk) 12:44, 16 June 2015 (UTC)


 * My suggestion (above) to review and suggest points for improvement was addressed to Huon. "Thank you" was for both you and him, but I asked him to consider untagging the article. Thanks! DBWikis (talk) 12:52, 16 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I have replicated the RFC on Huon's talk page, also asking to consider untagging the article. Sorry about confusing you. DBWikis (talk) 12:57, 16 June 2015 (UTC)


 * In addition, if we have more questions and points to be cleared for Minna Sundberg article, we can use Talk:Minna Sundberg page. DBWikis (talk) 13:01, 16 June 2015 (UTC)