User talk:Jokestress/2019

Voltron: Defender Of The Universe listed at Redirects for discussion
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Current election for Secretary in Association of Redirectionist Wikipedians
Hi greetings, we have decided to conduct an election for General Secretary in ARW. We are inviting you for participating in election. Hope you will participate in it.-- PATH SLOPU (Talk) 13:56, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Eric Barbour (disambiguation)


A tag has been placed on Eric Barbour (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an orphaned disambiguation page which either
 * disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic); or
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Why is the Sky Blue listed at Redirects for discussion
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John Paul Ii listed at Redirects for discussion
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Internal Security act listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Transfan" listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Transfans" listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Whitney Foreman" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Wow, it's like you anticipated that 2019 psychological thriller film
When Joaquin Phoenix's character was having a hard time onstage at the comedy club, he experienced joke stress. Зенитная Самоходная Установка (talk) 22:25, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have more jokes and less stress, though. I chose that username 30 years ago from Шутовка - maybe you get the pun? Jokestress (talk) 19:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I wanted to learn other languages, but the story of the attempts went sorta like this. I'm just too white. Зенитная Самоходная Установка (talk) 00:32, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I was just scoping out the story of how everything went awry
I am a generalist who happens to be a notable expert on sex and gender minorities editing under her real name That was your first mistake.

I'm also known for attempting to reform Wikipedia and problematic community conduct That was your second mistake.

I had acknowledged my COI That was the last mistake you ever made.

What you're supposed to do, is hide behind anonymity and be like, "Look, I don't have a dog in the fight, but I do believe policies matter, and I noticed some biased, poorly sourced material that I sought to render more neutral," yadda yadda yadda. That puts you on an even playing field with everyone else who is saying the same thing.

The reason is, Wikipedia is very concerned with appearances, and as soon as you disclose you have some kind of personal involvement in or attachment to an issue, they're going to worry that there'll be some media article about how a certain self-serving interest group or agenda-pushing ideological faction is "taking over" Wikipedia's articles about a certain subject.

In reality, that goes on all the time, but they try to be subtler about it and hide their motives. In actuality, you could be the one who's truly seeking after neutrality and fairness, but your sincerity doesn't matter if the situation could be twisted to look bad.

Also, people don't like the idea of "reforming" Wikipedia or problematic community conduct; if you say that's your goal, they're going to say that you're the problem and that if you don't like how Wikipedia is, you should go elsewhere.

There was one particular policy mentioned in your case, I'm not gonna say which one it is, but it was enacted several years ago by the guy at the top in response to what they feared was going to blaze out of control into a more serious media conflagration, and was total window-dressing in an attempt to keep from getting on the wrong side of a moral panic, kind of like some of the YouTube censorship that was imposed this year. The establishment is pretty relentless in its attempts to get this particular dissident group from gaining a foothold anywhere, and they've mostly done a pretty good job of it, although occasionally some stuff seems to fly under their radar or they just never get around to doing anything about it. Зенитная Самоходная Установка (talk) 03:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Truer words were never spoken! Жребий брошен! Jokestress (talk) 05:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Lothar Kalinowsky


The article Lothar Kalinowsky has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Not notable via A7"

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 * I’m shocked to see the conflation of A7 with notability policy. 2600:1003:B108:4031:B078:3F71:19BF:68BE (talk) 03:30, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

I apologize
Hi Jokestress, I just wanted to apologize for the Andrea/Amanda screwup at ARCA. I didn't double check when I typed the suggestion, and it came up as a blue link so I didn't realize the mistake. Thanks for having a sense of humor about it at ARCA. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 15:14, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * No troubles at all! It's a common mistake with my intentionally unremarkable name, as was the style for trans people at the time I chose it. Thanks for all the thoughtful deliberation over there! You can always count on my having a sense of humor, per my username >> Jokestress (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Sexology
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:

For the Arbitration Committee --Cameron11598 (Talk) 06:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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Nomination of Tom Chappell for deletion
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Nomination of Kate Chappell for deletion
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Incidental, accidental, edit to your User page
Greetings, User:Jokestress. Please accept my apologies for accidentally editing your User page. I had started this Wikipedia session at the Jackie Gleason page (reading up on his incidental music). That took me to the page for coronetist Bobby Hackett. A photograph there took me to the page for William P. Gottlieb. A caption of that photograph took me to the page for labor unionist Jacob Potofsky, which I spent some time making some copyedit improvements to.

Curious as to who had originated that welcome page, I went back in its history to you. I clicked on your user page to see who you were and see if I could douse out any relationship to Potofsky and got so absorbed in it I completely forgot it was a user page, and, thinking it was an actual biography at Wikipedia, reflexively added two carriage returns to create some white space in an overlong paragraph, making it more readable. It was only upon hitting return that when the page refreshed I realized it was your User page instead.

I meant no harm. Feel free to revert. The oversight, and intrusion, are mine. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 21:27, 17 December 2019 (UTC)


 * No problem, ! I think I'll leave it. So you know my connection, I wrote bios for everyone on both of Nixon's enemies lists, which is how I came to write the Jacob Potofsky bio. Jokestress (talk) 21:56, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

User page content
Hi, Jokestress, you've been around for many moons and don't need to be templated with uw-userpage; but surely you must have run across the guidelines for proper content on a User page by this point. If not, it's here, and says that user pages "should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content." Please pay attention to section #What may I not have in my user pages?, in particular, subsection #User pages that look like articles. You already have a WP:MAINSPACE article about you, so I don't see why you'd want to duplicate that here, anyway. Why not just wipe out your user page and start over, talk a bit about yourself in the first person if you feel like, or add some userboxen of your choice, or what the heck, have a blank user page, and just a link to your article. Your call, really; only it shouldn't remain this way, per the guideline. Thanks for your many contributions over the years, and happy editing! Mathglot (talk) 08:47, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, . I made some changes based on your suggestions and that guideline. Jokestress (talk) 02:37, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

"Garment worker" listed at Redirects for discussion
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