User talk:JollyRodger1

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Sporadic E propagation. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Please read WP:RS and WP:SPS. Discuss your proposed edits on the article Talk page here. - LuckyLouie (talk) 16:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Re: Sporadic-E Edits
There appears to be some sort of mistake going on here.

This edit has had no problem being on here until about a few days ago when someone decided to add a citation verification on my ssection despite the fact that it does have verification tot he claim and edit being done on the page.

Other users (DX'ers) have used citations such as YouTube, forums such as wtfda, or their own sites to provide proof of these notable Sporadic-E receptions. I am doing nothing different than what other users are conducting themselves here. This information has also been publicized by the official WTFDA VHF digest magazine, and while I would like to cite this if this falls under the realms of a "reliable source", it is a member-only accessed document.

Please allow for this section to appear without the "SPS" mark. Thank you.

JollyRodger1 (talk) 17:11, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has a number of editorial policies that you, as a new user, aren't aware of. For example, if other people have added unreliable sources, then it's not OK to add more unreliable sources. I'm going to add a section below with a list of relevant policies and guidelines. If you're going to stick around as an editor you'll need to be familiar with them. Regards, LuckyLouie (talk) 18:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

So what you are saying is that I cannot use a publication from an official association as WTFDA even if I did not self publish?

JollyRodger1 (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * For example, wtfda.org forum posts would not be WP:RS, but an issue of their magazine would. I had no trouble getting PDFs of their back issues prior to 2021. Post the info here (or here) and I'll try to help with the citation. - LuckyLouie (talk) 20:49, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I have a PDF copy of an issue which features the note Sporadic-E reception for the information pertaining to the Wikipedia page. It seems as if the most recent magazines are locked via password and key to which members such as myself are sent, therefore making it hard to access to the public. Could PDFs be stored here on Wikipedia, or should I perhaps upload it somewhere and share the link within the citation?

JollyRodger1 (talk) 21:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You could upload the PDF somewhere so I can help verify it, but a link need not be part of the citation. If the relevant text from the magazine is short, it could be included in the “quote=“ field of the citation, if that would be helpful to avoid copyright problems. Wikipedia text can only summarize the text of a source; copying it word for word isn’t allowed. The critical part of the citation is getting issue number, date, page, etc. The “Show extra fields” button in the citation form (I believe it’s called that) will enable some of these options. - LuckyLouie (talk) 21:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I have uploaded the PDF for you to verify: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AA4ZqrTpCvI8gYX1-UhjjtuB2SB_1ZrF/view?usp=sharing The information pertinent to the edit ranges from Page 1 - 3.

JollyRodger1 (talk) 23:14, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that looks fine. If you’d like to try reinserting it in the article with citation to the magazine, that would be OK. If not, I’ll do it for you when I get a chance. - LuckyLouie (talk) 23:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ . Feel free to ask any other questions about Wikipedia policies and formatting here on this page. Discussion about the article content itself should go here so other editors can see it. - LuckyLouie (talk) 02:20, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for updating the information. I would also like to apologize for the back and forth editing on the page as I was indeed misinformed about the policies here on Wikipedia. Thanks again.

JollyRodger1 (talk) 03:00, 11 August 2021 (UTC)