User talk:JonMoore/Archive 2

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This archive page covers approximately the dates between 7 December 2004 and 10 August 2005.

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RfA
There are a few editors that feel under 2000 edits or no wikipedia namespace activity should preclude candidates, but with about 1600 edits and good contributions, I guess folk consider you good enough not to oppose. Speaks to the quality of your work, I think. Cool Hand Luke  03:26, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Reverting
I saw your comment on the admin nomination page about doing reverting with cut-n-paste. This advice is probably useless to you personally, since I expect you're shortly to become an admin (I mention this mostly so you can "pass it on"), but there is an easier way (and apologies if you already knew this, and I misinterpreted your comment): click on "Page History", click on the version you want to restore to, click on "Edit this page", click on "Save page". Noel (talk) 15:45, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Hey, don't feel bad - I've done some equally dumb things before someone pointed out better ways to me. Anyway, I'm doubly glad it was something you found useful. Noel (talk) 16:20, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:


 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Congratulations, Jon!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 05:11, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Congrats, congrats. Regarding the SLC infobox: I moved it to Template:Salt Lake City infobox. Warmest regards. --[[User:Neutrality|Neutrality/talk]] 02:56, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)


 * Oh, and congratulations! I actually went out Saturday to take pictures, but the fog sank in heavy so I gave up. I have a crappy digital camera, and my parents have a much nicer one. I'd love to do it if there are any more clear days before Christmas. (Incidentally, in that TRAX picture the fog actually helps, I think: the distant buildings are obscured and less distracting.) Cool Hand Luke  01:06, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

New editor
User:TheFlow is doing good work on Utah Transit Authority and UTA TRAX. Sen seems good with wikimarkup. Just a heads-up.

I'll be gone from after Christmas until about January 6. However, a lot of redlinks have been made. If you and Bob rulz or anyone else feel like listing Salt Lake City on featured articles, I would not be opposed. In fact...it might be a good idea to do it now so I can help fix any criticisms (when you nominate to featured articles, you're expected to defend it). Cool Hand Luke  00:49, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Oh. Heh. The "history" section in the UTA article is mostly by me. I got the info from the book reference (the UTA is only mentioned on four pages, but that provided most of the older stuff&mdash;I might find a better reference), links, plus Deseret News stories on light rail (again, the Trib just doesn't keep there articles online very long). Cool Hand Luke  01:09, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Featured articles
I'm kinda sad about Salt Lake City. After the first crazy criticism about the seal, I thought "If that's the best they have, we'll be accepted easily." Then opposition just piled on. That's very discouraging.

But I was completely surprised about Liberal Party (Utah). Smaller scope must make editors more willing to accept some articles. That might explain why Marshall, Texas makes the cut, but Salt Lake City does not. Cool Hand Luke  17:42, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

About the LDS links and Friday
First, the easy one: I'd love to hang out on Friday. In fact, I was thinking about calling you today, but can't find my camera and possibly have other commitments.

As for the LDS links: there's a low-key edit war going on. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was listed on WP:RM a few weeks ago to be moved to "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". There was majority support for the move, but not a "rough consensus", so the request was de-listed. Meanwhile, many of us at the LDS wikiProject think another request in a few months may go through. The precedent is tilting slightly in favor of including the "The" for organizations that persistantly push mid-sentence capitalization, as the LDS Church has in the last couple decades (existing examples include The Gambia, and The George Washington University).

Anyhow, at least one LDS editor started changing links to the "The CoJCoLDS" redirect in anticipation of a move, and another editor (probably justifiably) interprets this as unilateralism and started undoing the links. Their discussion can be found at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement (partway down the section). I'm taking no part in this for now. I think it would be a justifiable move and favor it. Most Utah papers use "The" in their styleguide as browsing through Google News shows, and news outside of Utah increasingly uses the capital. But it's not a big enough deal for me to fight over.

One good thing about this is at least one non-Mormon is giving a lot of LDS-centric articles scrutiny. Salt Lake articles are just in the middle of it all, I'm afraid. I've seen dozens of non-Utah Mormon articles pop up my watchlist because of the controversy. Cool Hand Luke  00:48, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Autofellatio poll
Hi. There is a poll going on at Talk:Autofellatio. We'd appreciate your vote. &mdash;Cantus&hellip; &#9742;   04:20, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

Geo-stubs
Hi Jon - noticed your article on the Idaho Panhandle... just a quick note to say that there's a special stub message for US places -. It just makes them a little easier for people to find later. Keep up the good work! Grutness|hello? 12:27, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Utah WikiProject
John, in what way are the Utah and LDS WikiProjects similar as you have stated in the Utah project? Surely the Utah state project is a secular effort, Utah and the LDS are not one and the same. Bob Palin 17:00, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC) (Torrey, Utah)

Hey jon, thanks for creating this wikiproject! This will make it much easier for me to keep track of what I'm doing with my Utah articles (and as you've probably seen, I've been making and editing a lot of them). Anyway, just swung bay to say thanks for making it. I was thinking about creating something similar, but I guess you beat me to it! EDIT: Oh, and I think the templates are awesome. Good work! bob rulz 06:10, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

WP:PR
Hi, you listed 2002 Winter Olympic bid scandal on peer review. PR is designed to be an interactive process with the editor making the listing primarily responsible for implementing suggestions. You haven't responded to suggestions for your listing, so policy is to remove the listing to help the focus be on articles that are being actively worked on. Thanks for your work. - Taxman 17:49, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, I left my response on my talk page for continuity. - Taxman 22:22, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

Finally took a look at autofellatio
Holy crap, that boggles the mind. It's so obviously a copyrightvio too. Someone brought the picture up on the mail list a few days ago stating that it should go. If you hadn't already seen it, Jimbo responded 2/12:


 * Indeed.


 * The primary reason I'm not deleting it outright is that I trust the community to make the right decision here. But the right decision is clear, and I don't consider this even remotely close to a borderline case.


 * The real issue here is *not* about prudishness, nor about censorship. I am neither a prude nor a censor. The real issue here is about *editorial quality*.  The picture is just awful, aesthetically awful, with far more "shock value" than educational value (of which it has close to zero).


 * Furthermore, since it is almost certainly a copyright violation, it needs to go away on those grounds alone.


 * (Before anyone says "fair use" remember that I insist that we only use fair use images in some fairly limited circumstances. This case clear does not rise to that level.)

At this point, I think I have a bit less faith in the community than that. Even after he removed the image it seems as if there won't be a "rough consensus" for removing it. But Jimbo also said something very apt for those who worry about this being censorship:


 * I would have worded it this way: editorial judgment is *not* censorship. We can't let our passions against censorship (which are valid, given our mission) lead us to keep crap in the encyclopedia only because it's offensive.

Cool Hand Luke  17:41, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Peer review/Salt Lake City, Utah/archive5
Hi, great article! I have a few things I'd liked to get cleared up on this article, but they are only minor. Once they are sorted out, I'd support it on FAC! Very detailed and an excellent article :-) Ta bu shi da yu 02:57, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

SLC Infobox
Done, that is much better. What browser doesn't handle more than 32K these days? Seems a bit silly. I'm using Firefox which I really like and it's free Bob Palin 18:24, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Salt Lake Comments
I have made some open-suggestions on Talk:Salt Lake City, Utah. If you get a free moment please review them and any added comments are greatly appreciated. Have a nice day. Apollomelos 23:40, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Just a little bit on the last line about "simple mistakes."
 * It appears you're right about the alternate layout being inspired by Sarajevo. I agree with you completely on that issue. I assume that FAC sometimes sometimes doesn't carefully distinguish between important subjects and good articles. I do think that climate could reasonably go under georgraphy though. Cool Hand Luke  01:38, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

OK to use at Uncyclopedia?
Would it be oK to use you're nose picking photo at uncyclopedia.org ? --Jondel 04:56, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Fairpark in Template:Salt Lake City
Huh...well, I have never heard of a neighborhood referred to as Fairpark in Salt Lake City. I assume by Fairpark you mean the area up by the, well, uh, Utah State fair park? I've always heard that the fair park is located in the Rose Park neighborhood. Unless you're not talking about that area? Either way, I've never heard of a neighborhood called Fairpark in Salt Lake City before. Oh, and, I'm not an admin. Do you reall think I should be one? bob rulz 05:45, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

Congress enacts Article 13.5 and one third
Please peruse the following for your edification:


 * http://comedy.wikicities.com/wiki/Nose_picking_law


 * http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Nose_picking_law

Thanks.--Jondel 06:41, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nice Work
Nice work in organizing all of the SLC TV station articles. I think KUPX could use an article eventually, simply because of the interesting history it has with KUWB, but it's not a huge priority. Once again, great job. Chadbryant 7 July 2005 22:02 (UTC)

Peer review/Căile Ferate Române/archive1
I have noticed that you have twice changed the entry for Căile Ferate Române on WP:PR to Ca˘ile Ferate Române. Unfortunately this change breaks the transcluded link to the peer review for this article. I suspect that these changes are not deliberate, but an artifact of your web browser. If you have any more additions to Peer Review, please use the preview function to check that no links such as this broken after you make an update. --Allen3 talk 03:05, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Remember you??
What a dumb question! Of course I remember you! If you were online more often, I would be messaging you, too! Psh. "Do I remember you." ;) Mike H (Talking is hot) 15:02, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Salt Lake City

 * Ah, that sucks. ): Well, I can help a little more with the SLC article, though, personally, I think it's good enough. But, it's for the other people to decide. bob rulz 06:09, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

I'm back Jon, and I'm really flattered to have been the first target on a vandalism spree. Do note, however, that the vandal says Mormonism is the second dumbest religion while "Jews" is the fourth. I schooled you, man. Cool Hand Luke  02:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)== Esperanto ==

Hi, Jon. When you added the Esperanto template to the the Esperanto article, you killed a bunch of links to other language wikipedias. I don't know how that happened, but I've fixed it. &#8594;Vik Reykja 23:25, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought this problem (non-Latin characters being changed to ??????? when people edit in certain browsers) had been fixed, but maybe there are browsers out there that don't support Unicode even with the fix? kwami 02:47, 2005 July 19 (UTC)

IdahoRadioNews
Thanks for removing the link. It clearly is not within the scope of the article. Boisemedia 21:19, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

American Old West at the US Collaboration
Some time ago, you supported the nomination of American Old West at the COTW. I have now renominated it at the new US Collaboration. If you are still interested, you can support the article with your vote there!--Fenice 08:55, 10 August 2005 (UTC)