User talk:JonRidinger/Archive 2

The Dean weighs in
Hi, Jon.

I am not a wikipedia editor or anything. I'm not even sure where to insert this section, since it looks like most entries are put at the bottom.

I check Wikipedia occasionally and find the debates about whether I was a Tri Delta or not (that wasn't your battle), our relationship with Kent Campus, The University System of Ohio and, of course, our name, humorous and fascinating. I understand that Kent State University Stark's and my Wikipedia pages are not owned by Kent State University or Kent State University Stark, our PR departments and certainly not me. Because it isn't owned or controlled by Kent, that would seem to give us more flexibility, not less, although we always work within Kent's guidelines.

If it would be helpful, I would like to invite you to our beautiful campus (yes, we call it a campus, small "c" when referring to the physical plant) :-), show you around and visit with you about these titles, topics and relationships.  Sometimes it is helpful to get first hand experience, talk to our students, etc.  If you are interested, you can contact me by university email or call my office and we'll find a time to visit.

Meanwhile, speaking as just a Wikipedia reader (although one that understands these issues better than anyone!), we minimize the use of the word campus in our name for a variety of reasons. This is being done incrementally and completely within Kent guidelines.


 * You are correct that there are architectural elements that say Kent State University. We have lovely etched glass, several seals on buildings, podiums, etc. that there is no reason to replace -- we are indeed part of Kent State University and the use of both is not mutually exclusive.
 * You are also correct that when you Google us, you will find more references to "Kent State University Stark Campus" because we used that for 60 years, and only recently use "Kent State University Stark." Even if we insisted (as if we could) that everything say Kent State University Stark, it would take many years for old habits to change, and probably even longer for new Google references to wipe out the older ones.

Kent State University Stark is the preferred name. Kent State Stark or Kent Stark are fine, but leave out the important term "university." Because Chancellor Fingerhut is outspoken that we are Stark County's public university, it is important to use university in the name. It also helps to differentiate us from our colocated college, Stark State (I thought it had a hyphen, too, but ...)

Might it make sense to change the name of the article and redirect from Kent State Stark Campus (or whatever it is how) to Kent State University Stark, so that the description matches the title of the article?

I look forward to meeting you and working together to make our entry clear, accurate and useful.

Sincerely,

BVBoze (talk) 15:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)BVBBVBoze (talk) 15:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Use of "campus" in Kent Stark's name
Thank you for your note. Yes, I did see the discussion. I just disagree with your opinion.

The use of the word campus in the institution's name has been phased out nd isn't used by Kent State University (see their University Communication and Marketing page), by Kent State Universtiy Stark (I think you've already heard from them) or by the Univesity System of Ohio.

It is interesting why, against all conventional use, you are fighting for the use an obsolete term. Maybe you should actually visit the campus and see how they portray it on their signage and their officaial publications. See for example:

Their web page: http://www.stark.kent.edu/  - Kent State University Stark or their Fall 2008 magazine "Encompass" http://www.stark.kent.edu/CampusInfo/Magazine.cfm -- the cover says "Kent State University Stark." Page 2 shows the dean of "Kent State University Stark" and the Kent State University Stark Faculty Council Officers the Kent State University Stark Cabinet Members

Keep going and even the back cover and the return address is Kent State University Stark.

Now, about the seal.
You seem to think that it isn't/wasn't legitimate and took it upon yourself to remove and destroy the link to it.

Notice the Kent Stater's coverage of Rod Courdrry this week -- http://media.www.kentnewsnet.com/media/storage/paper867/news/2008/10/28/News/Former.daily.Show.Reporter.Brings.shock.Value-3509433.shtml

See the seal on the podium in the picture? It says Kent State University Stark.

No, not everything that says "campus" has been ripped off the walls and sent to the recycling bin, but it looks like as they replace things, they are using the new name and the new seal.

So while I respect that you apparently like the old name better for some reason, it doesn't seem to be your decision to make when ALL EVIDENCE IS TO THE CONTRARY. Yes, it is a campus, just like the Kent Campus is a campus and all college campuses are campuses. But that isn't their name.

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Help please
Hello Elder! Can you constructively help me with this? I am slightly completely unprepared for it. I got the first question by my self, then the tough question that I don't know the answers to came, so that is why I need help... Thanks for your help! Sincerely, Sir Intellegence - smartr tahn eaver!!!! 00:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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John Johnson Farm
Hey there! I wanted to let you know that I created an article for the John Johnson Farm in Hiram, Ohio. Since you're from the area, and your user page states that you're a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, I figured you might be able to contribute to the article. -- JeffBillman (talk) 05:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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some help
Thanks for your suggestions. can you make sure that i merged The Explorer (Hudson) to Hudson High School (Hudson, Ohio) correctly. thank you. --ExplorerCY 03:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject BYU Invite
BYU-Idaho is currently under our WikiProject, so thought you might be interested. Best regards --Eustress (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

BYU-Idaho Intro
The word Mormon is better than "members of the LDS church." "Mormon" is concise and people understand it better. Also, the fact that 99% of the students at BYU-I are Mormon is perhaps the defining characteristic of the school. So it should be near the very beginning of the entry. It's one of the first things a BYU-I outsider needs to learn.JackWilliams (talk) 05:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Britannica
Look here: you have credit from Britannica! Nyttend (talk) 13:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Brigham Young University Collaboration for June 2008
Welcome to the WikiProject, Jon. I look forward to working with you on this month's collaboration article and all others associated with the project. You've probably noticed that BYU-Idaho is currently under the BYU WikiProject, which I think is best until BYU-Idaho articles are more developed and better categorized. Perhaps you can specialize in that arena, but know that all of us are willing to help out with any BYU school's articles. I'd especially like to see BYU-Idaho get to GA status. Best regards --Eustress (talk) 21:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

OHSAA article cleanup
Hey there. I noticed you mentioned being willing to head an effort to make the articles listed at Articles for deletion/Pioneer Conference be laid out in similar ways. I was wondering if you thought it would be a good idea to post the contents of User talk:Stepshep/Sandbox at Articles for deletion/Pioneer Conference? Let me know what you think. §hep  •   ¡Talk to me!  00:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey. Frank12 has agreed to help us as well.  Since you two are the big article editors in this area.  Would you mind working with User:Frank12 at Wikipedia talk:OH/HS Football Conferences to get a standard set down?  Thank you so much!  §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  22:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Kent State Stark
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 * If you are so certain about your edits, why don't you sign up for an account rather than do it anonymously? Further, those people you named DO NOT have final say over what is in the Wiki about KSU-Stark.  I am not guessing either...all edits have been made with sources; to remove point of view (POV) issues; or to organize the paragraphs so they flow better.  Much of the article seems to be a direct copy of KSU-Stark's own website, which is a violation of copyright and Wikipedia policy anyway. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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Reply
§hep  •   ¡Talk to me!  20:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd really be careful with the Kent page. You're very close to WP:3RR. How about we step away fro a few days, let them forget the article, then fix it?  §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  19:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look right now, other commenst left on my page. Have a good one.  §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  19:20, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


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The King's School, Ely
Hi there, I noticed you are a member of Wikiproject Schools, and wondered whether you would like to cast your eye over The King's School, Ely which is currently under peer review in preparation for G.A. I would love to eventually take it to FA standard, but it is perhaps a long way off. Nevertheless, your opinion or even edits would be much appreciated! rocketman89 (talk) 10:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Jon, caught your edit, and so have started doing what you advised re: capitalisation - when you are working on something almost from bare bones, you tend not to notice your own foyballs of writing! :-D With regards to the title and 'the', how would I go about changing this, do I move the article and setup a redirect? By all means, feel free to do this if you know how to do it from memory! Thanks again, rocketman89 (talk) 18:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Jon, just wondering if you could perhaps give your opinion of whether it is GA-ready yet? It seems to be clear of any major problems now, with ref format fixed. rocketman89 (talk) 09:39, 2 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocketman89 (talk • contribs) 09:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Kent State University To-Do list
Hey, I noticed you do a lot of work on the KSU page. I'm still trying to educate myself on the wiki ins and outs. I was wondering if you could help create a "ToDo" list for KSU's wiki page? Ohio State has one on their discussion board and I think there's a lot of stuff missing from the KSU wiki including more indepth information about the top programs, famous faculty, etc... I would be more than happy to work with you to identify topics for the to do list. Let me know. Pacificboyksu (talk) 22:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good, just let me know what you need from me. I'm always willing to help. I have other KSU campus pictures if you are looking for a specific building or view for a certain section. Thanks! 152.10.216.177 (talk) 19:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I do not know how to get that picture of KSU's florence program to stay up, it keeps getting removed. How do I stop that? Pacificboyksu (talk) 18:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Other parks
I think there's a park just down from there on Gougler called "John Brown Park" or something. But the sign doesn't say what it's purported to say. I think the name of the park has changed. Badagnani (talk) 20:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I see, the KCPR website states that there are two parks, Franklin Mills Riveredge Park and Brady's Leap Park. That's confusing because that's not what the sign says. Badagnani (talk) 20:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that's the one. I added the KCPR link. Whoever made that sign wasn't in their right mind, I think. Badagnani (talk) 20:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

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Elementary schools
The current consensus view is that elementary schools are not inherently notable and do not merit individual articles. Every one that goes to WP:AFD ends up being merged and redirected. WP:SCHOOL may be of some help in this matter. Beeblbrox (talk) 19:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC) This talk page is becoming very long. Please consider archiving.

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WikiProject Brigham Young University Collaboration for August 2008
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The Record-Courier (Nevada)
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Caption text
Hio Jon, thanks for the feedback.Checkpoint one four (talk) 21:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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Take a look
I recently created an article, Randy L. Bott, for which some notability concerns have been raised. Whether I'm right or wrong, I'd appreciate it if you took a look. Thanks! --Eustress (talk) 22:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Cleveland Browns
Good catch, Jon! I'm seeing a number of things about the article at Cleveland Browns that just aren't right. I suspect the article was vandalized recently. (Actually, I know it was; I just don't think we've caught everything just yet.) Unfortunately, the founding year of the team was one of the things I missed. Thanks for your help. You might want to join me in taking a closer look at the article. -- JeffBillman (talk) 00:26, 30 December 2008 (UTC)