User talk:JonRidinger/Archive 3

Thanks
just letting you know ive recruited five other people to help me with the Akron article who probaly recruited more ppl to get it looking cleveland's, my goal is to bring attention to the city and make more reconizable bt the masses thank you for your help in my mission, i also see errors in kent's article and will fixing it later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.61.87.219 (talk) 20:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Akron sandbox
Hey, I was wondering how you thought we should handle which people are notable enough to be included on the Akron page? I'm not sure of a gauge to use. §hep  •  Talk  21:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * excellent i didnt even know of a sandbox, this will asist me greatly. sorry for sloppy spelling above also --66.61.87.219 (talk) 21:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually a link doesn't sound half-bad. Will keep the KB down. §hep   •  Talk  22:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Copyvio map
I deleted it as it was on Wikipedia and a clear improper license and almost certain copyvio. Thanks for the heads up, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Akron
Not sure if you're active right now, but Rubohcity keeps removing the daytime skyline that we discussed on the Talk: page. Have any idea where we should take this next. Also posted at User talk:Ruhrfisch, as they participated in the discussion. §hep   •  Talk  23:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you think of the crop? Need more, add more? §hep   •  Talk  00:55, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not even going to bother until Rbohcity takes a break. Check the history at File:Akroncityscape.jpg. §hep   •  Talk  01:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

we must agree that shep is out of hand and must stop.--Rubohcity (talk) 01:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Making some headway Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Sleepydre. §hep   •  Talk  22:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Figures, the night skyline was a copyvio  §hep   •  Talk  23:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * And now it appears we're out of a skyline (vio too). §hep   •  Talk  00:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So much for peace. :@ §hep   •  Talk  00:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Ahhh wasnt prepared for that
they seem like extensive steps which i'll have to come back and do, i havent even eaten breakfast yet. feel free to create the sandbox yourself and do what is needed to the pages for now.--Rubohcity (talk) 17:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up
I'm not an expert on copywright, and I agree that it should be taken seriously. But it is my impression that state entities can't copywright things. At least I can't. I am employed by Kent, but am salaried and didn't do this so much as a work for hire, but as part of my regular stuff. Anyway, it isn't copywrited.

I have zillions of other photos, but that one had been cleaned up and edited and I didn't want to spend half an hour doing that again on a similar picture when she likes that one. I'll see if I can find a similar one, though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.123.121.94 (talk) 23:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

vanished again
The photo was only up for a short time and seems to have been removed again. But there is nothing in the history that shows that. Any suggestions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.123.121.94 (talk) 12:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the Betsy Boze image as it was clearly a copyvio. I found another one uploaded by the same user - a quick look at Google images or Flickr did not turn up the same picture, but if you find it somewhere, let me know. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:49, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That was fast - it is gone now too, thanks Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Kent's award-winning water
Jon, you might want to take a look at Template:Cite video for a suggestion on how to cite the Tonight Show for Kent, Ohio. Cheers! -- JeffBillman (talk) 02:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Kent Stark Featured Speakers
Hi, Jon. I put the speakers back up and wanted to fill you in on why. While you are correct that lots of schools bring in speakers, few bring in speakers of this calibre (including the Kent Campus) and those that do typically charge quite a bit to attend. So this program really is noteworthy and has quite an impact - not just one the campus, but the community. I thought of just putting back the important ones, but notice, for example how many of them are wikipedia quality themselves. Maybe we could/should delete the ones that we've never heard of?

StarkState (talk) 17:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Stark State

template
Hello again. I understantd that you love your template and think it belongs here, but again I disagree. The article is about Dean Boze, not about Kent State. There is actually little reference to Kent State Stark, and even less to Kent State Kent Campus.

Links to Kent State athletics, etc. with no reference whatsoever to her and only nominal reference to regional campuses have little or no relevance to this biography about a living person. She is not Kent State. Lester and Carol were affiliated with the Kent Campus which it refers to. She is only affiliated at arms length. Maybe it should be on the Kent Stark page -- maybe. But it should not be on her page. StarkState (talk) 02:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Betsy Boze
Saw an update to Betsy Boze by an IP and couln't find any RSs to back the claim up. Did she retire as dean? Thanks, §hep  Talk  02:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw some unreferenced content was removed (which it should have been), under the guise of "cleanup". I was wondering if you could help me add the content from these sources noting why she resigned. Up to it? §hep  Talk  23:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Really I was just looking to at least make a mention of it since it was covered by more than a dozen papers. I just couldn't find a proper section to put it into. §hep  Talk  02:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

but
No where does it say "that statement" which would prove it. just by showing links of jay leno and tv show dosent back up that an episode existed. trust me if it did then it should be easy finding something that will Prove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Methron (talk • contribs) 05:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

so i guess since it cant be proved on the internet about the nicknames but i have good faith and know, it can go back up.

dont know how to be anymore clear about this, like clevelands and akron film section it is easily Provable...If Real. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Methron (talk • contribs) 05:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Appreciate your comments
I appreciate you advising me properly on Wikipedia as I am somewhat of a novice. Will keep in mind what you instructed. JspottsKSU (talk) 21:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Jon, is there a way I can contact you off the Wiki Talk page? JspottsKSU (talk) 15:34, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I need some advice. I'll explain more in detail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JspottsKSU (talk • contribs) 15:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

re:Akron article...again
§hep Talk  01:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thought you might want to keep an eye on this SPI as it relates to you indirectly (Akron) and directly (userpage). §hep  Talk  03:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Not sure if you watchlisted the page or not. They're all blocked. Let's see how long they wait to come back this time... §hep  Talk  22:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Wuanridingjerk
Errm, User:Wuanridingjerk looks like an attack on you. I don't know enough about Akron to know if his edits there are reasonable. Let me know if not William M. Connolley (talk) 22:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Be on the look-out. Our buddy is back. §hep  Talk  22:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Sounds like fun... Sorry about removing "the" from the Kent article. I double-checked one script at a time and Advisor.js was the culprit. I'll ask over there why that happened or if it was supposed to. §hep  Talk  22:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Image check
I agree File:TheAkronGoodyerAirdock.jpg lacks source information and seems likely not to be PD US Gov. Shep already reverted to the no license tag, so I added some information to the description to make clearer the possible dates. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:33, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I commend you
Your comment was so neutral and explainative that it almost deserves a medal (something like outstanding editor behavior) it proves you are here for the good of wikipedia bias of emotion. I also like to apolygize if it seemed to you i had the very same negative feelings towards you as user stephshep, i wanted to state it in the past but didnt know how to put it without "dissing" others so yeahh Ridinger...you're an ok neutral kind of guy and i vouch that.--Threeblur0 (talk) 17:29, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Lester Lefton
Would you please take a look at the Lester Lefton additons that were added by Kent State's office of Communication and Marketing. I see that you have done a lot of work on the Kent State page and are closer to this than I am. While they are probably true, much is unsourced and, boastful. Since it is from the university marketing office, could have COI? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sassy Sylvia (talk • contribs) 20:32, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

The first Wikipedian meetup in Ohio
Thanks! --Rkitko (talk) 21:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Question about neutrality
I am editing the Byrd High School web page and the Byrd alumni. In the next month or two, I will be adding what for us is a major announcement about her induction into the Byrd Hall of Fame. How do we remove the neutrality tag. Not how as in push delete, but what needs to happen to have it removed.

Thank you!

Byrd High (talk) 23:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I'm not
I see that you addressed me as Dr. Boze in a recent edit. I am not her, nor acting on her direction. Just someone that knows her and knows the real story. I hope that you will please not make things worse by accusing her of what I'm doing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.206.254.172 (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Kent Industrial District
Thanks for the extra pictures. If you can get them, more would be appreciated :-) By the way, if I remember rightly, the wording "Registered Historic District" has been deprecated, because no sources could be found to support its usage.  I don't know why it's still used in the infobox, but no new articles by WikiProject:NRHP people who were part of that discussion (before I joined the project) use that phrase, so I'm assuming that it's out of favor.  If you want to know more, you'd do well to ask Doncram or Sanfranman59.  Nyttend (talk) 12:52, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies: when I spoke of the phrase being deprecated, I meant in the text, which I changed to "a historic district...which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places." I know that the box still uses it, and I don't know why; that's what I meant about "I don't know why it's still used in the infobox".  And thanks for more pictures :-) Nyttend (talk) 18:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Now I'm confused: in what ways does it differ? I can tell you that you shouldn't link the results page from running an NRIS search as you did for this infobox, because it will simply send you to the start-a-search page.  Other than my obvious error in deleting the area information, which I've restored, the only substantive differences that I can see are (1) a more detailed "Location" line, and (2) a date of construction, which comes from the NRIS.  Nyttend (talk) 18:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I completely misunderstood your words to mean "Nyttend, you removed the necessary details". Your opinions make so much more sense when I understand what you're trying to say :-)  As far as the map caption — you saw that I removed the area and only later restored it, because I'd not realised that I removed it.  This is the same: I didn't see that there was a caption for the map.  As far as the "built", I've learned not to be too trusting of this for the reasons that you give, unless one could prove that all the buildings were built at the same time.  As far as the location — I can understand that your idea would be more useful than mine for a district, due to the less-than-specific boundaries.  And as far as the governing body: you didn't add anything to the article specifying that it was the city that owned much of the property, so for all I knew it could have been some county-owned properties.  Thanks for pointing this all out.  Nyttend (talk) 19:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, are you familiar with what I mean by "the generator"? You can access it at http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/infobox.php; it's quite simple to use.  As well, if you go to http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp, you'll find other useful tools.  Everything is set up for Wikipedia coding, because the website is operated by Elkman.  Nyttend (talk) 19:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks...I wasn't familiar with that specific generator, but I am familiar with them in general and have used them for other projects like adding coordinates to my pictures on commons. --JonRidinger (talk) 19:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Licensing
I've noticed that many of your new pictures you've uploaded with the text "Public Domain" in the Permission line but with a CC 3.0 tag at the same time. On one of them, I removed the CC tag and replaced it with a PD-self tag, assuming that it was a single error. Would you please review these and either revert this part (but not all) of my edit if you intended a 3.0, or replace the CC tags with PD-self tags on all the rest of the pictures if you intended PD-self? Nyttend (talk) 02:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've gone through the Portage County NRHP list and believe that I got all of them. Just curious, would you be willing to add more categories to these pictures?  You can see what I mean with the township hall picture, for one example.  Nyttend (talk) 04:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Among the easiest of all categories to place is the kind of construction material: there are categories for brick buildings in Ohio, brick houses, stone buildings in the USA, stone houses in the USA, wooden buildings in Ohio, wooden houses, and more. Most types of structures have their own categories: thus Houses in Ohio, Churches in Ohio, Town Halls in Ohio, Post Offices in Ohio, Dams in Ohio, Bridges in Ohio, etc.  The Elkman generator provides (for most properties) a year of construction, and there's always a "Built in ____" category for each year.  Some years even have a "Houses built in ____" category, and you can always find a "18th" or "19th" or "20th century houses in the United States" category.  Other features also appear: thus "Fences in the United States", "Wrought iron in the United States", "Photographs of flags of the United States", etc.  I discovered most of these by accident; just search a little and you'll probably find a few that I missed :-)  Nyttend (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

1425 Ravenna Rd.
I saw that you changed the Arvin Olin House from 1425 to 1423 — just wanted to ask, is there a 1423? Any possibility that it's been knocked down and possibly replaced? Not that I think you were inattentive; just wanting to make sure that you know that sites are sometimes destroyed but still listed. Forgive me if you already know this; I have an annoying problem of forgetting whom I've told what — not to mention I don't know what you've read elsewhere :-) Nyttend (talk) 01:25, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just looked at the picture, and I now see that it's plainly the house you mean. Sorry about that... Nyttend (talk) 01:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have a website reference for this error, or do you mean that you called or went to the Society? I've logged it here, and it would likely be a stronger reference with a citation.  In case you've not seen it — this page is a list of errors found in the NRHP database, and items listed there are periodically reported to the Register for correction.  Nyttend (talk) 01:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Lorenzo Snow
Do you have a picture of the Snow house? Might as well add it to the article, you know :-) Nyttend (talk) 02:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Good idea... and it would be a good addition to the Mantua Twp. article as well. Speaking of which, you might want to read my comments at Talk:Mantua, Ohio.  Cheers!  -- JeffBillman (talk) 02:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * PS- Thank you, thank you, thank you for adding a photo to the article at John Johnson Farm! I've been wanting to do that for two years now, but never got around to getting up there with a digital camera. -- JeffBillman (talk) 02:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't add the picture: it was taken and added there by JonRidinger. As far as the Snow House — you know, you don't have to be the property owner or a professional historian to submit a nomination...Nyttend (talk) 02:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, I wasn't paying attention and thought I was responding at JeffBillman's talk page...Nyttend (talk) 02:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

University of Akron
Thank you for your help with the University of Akron. The next time I'm on campus and its a nice day I will replace those pictures with similar ones, though mine will be better :)   JEN9841 (talk) 07:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Pictures
Well, I did think that you were being territorial, but I understand what you were doing now. :-) Yes, you may crop the picture if you would like, and I do not think it is necessary to replace the night view of the stadium with my picture, as I think the night view is much more interesting! I would be more than willing to grab some pictures of the inside of the school, and I will add them as soon as they are taken. What would you like to see on here? Auditorium maybe? Library? Sorry for the misunderstanding, and you can change back whatever you wish. Cooolerhead (talk) 02:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)Cooolerhead

On second thought, the multiple pictures of the "Roosevelt Stadium" were okay with you until this incident, and I find it interesting that after these recent happenings, the caption on the picture in question has been changed from "Roosevelt Stadium with Stanton Middle School in the background," to "View of Roosevelt campus looking northwest with Roosevelt Stadium to the right and Stanton Middle School on the far left." I have given up. You obviously own this page, and will not allow any changes to "your" work. You want it more than I do, and you can have it. Have fun. Cooolerhead (talk) 02:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)Cooolerhead

URL
Jon,

I have been following the ongoing discussion regarding the correct domain name for the Kent City School District. I am the domain administrator and Network Manager for the District. The District is the owner of the address kent.k12.oh.us in accordance with the accepted domain administration policies for secondary education sites. The domain kentschools.net is owned by The Northeast Ohio Network for Educational Technology (NEOnet) who is our INTERNET service provider. The name was registered as an alias to provide an easier to remember address and to provide our staff with an email domain. If you have any questions regarding this please feel free to contact me at Theodore Roosevelt High 330-676-8700 if not I will consider this matter closed.

Joe Luscre —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jluscre (talk • contribs) 17:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Domain
You seem to not understand the point of my note to you. All was doing was clearing up some confusion as to why there are two domain names and which was actually registered to Kent Schools. As I said the kentschools.net was created to make it easier to remember. The domains are not "competing". If you look at many websites on the internet you will notice that there are often different URLs that appear in the address bar after the page loads. Such as abc.com redirecting to abc.go.com

Also I understand that I have no more right to edit this page as anyone else I was only pointing out the facts. You can continue to ignore them if you'd like. Feel free to change the page however your ego dictates. I give up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jluscre (talk • contribs) 21:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

High School athletic conferences

 * I did this so every Ohio league article title was uniform and similar. Ohio614 (talk) 21:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

King of his domain
Like I said "I give up" I didn't realize you were the ultimate authority on all things you edit because of you years of overbearing wiki editing. Do as you please because you obviously are a so impressed with yourself that you have no room for any other point of view. I bow to you. Are you happy now? Please do not reply to me anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jluscre (talk • contribs) 00:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the laugh man, especially not even signing any of your posts. --JonRidinger (talk) 00:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, My mistake. Comment by Joe Luscre —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jluscre (talk • contribs) 18:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Even better now that you replied after asking me not to reply on your talk page and still had to have the SineBot come through and sign your post. Peace out Luscre. --JonRidinger (talk) 22:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Qwerty's comments
Why is it such and issue for you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerty5225 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is it then ok on stantons wiki? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerty5225 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Kent Roosevelt
No problem. I think maybe you're being a bit intractable when it comes to the domain, but then so is the other party IMO. Really, it's a trivial matter. Because of this, I see no convincing reason to change the article-- the URL as published originally works just as well. As for the school colors, that's something less trivial to the article. I was hoping to find a source from the Record-Courier that lists red, white, and black as the colors; this is how the colors appear in every media guide the R-C publishes to the best of my recollection. -- JeffBillman (talk) 01:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

TRHS
I've made a few changes and added comments at Talk. Did I address everything on which you wanted an opinion? If not, please tell me. Nyttend (talk) 03:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks much! I'm surprised by your saying "only 25 sports" — do most area schools offer more than that?  The only schools I know anything about are around my rural Western Ohio home, and they offer far fewer than that.  And as far as the songs — seems a bad idea to me, but I understand that it's a matter that should be taken up with them, rather than at a specific article.  Nyttend (talk) 04:53, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Makes more sense now; thanks. I've left a note at the WP:SCHOOLS project page, questioning the propriety of their guidelines' current alma mater recommendations.  Nyttend (talk) 12:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Infobox education
They should all (the infoboxes) be fixed. But if not I will fix any remaining. Rich Farmbrough, 02:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC).
 * Ah, silly me. {Infobox_Education_in_the_United_States} is a redirect to {Infobox school}. Correctly cased redirect created.  Rich Farmbrough, 02:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC).

Kent Domain
Im very confused and thought maybe you could explain somethings I do not understand why you care so much about the domain name. Your agument about it is easier to remember does not make much sence because there are websites such as snip url that could be used on every website. Just because it makes it shorter and easier to remember does not make it right. Jluscre poseted a comment on your talk awhile back and I belive that his points held much more water than than yours. Good Day SirQwerty5225 (talk) 11:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe there needs to be a wiki page explaining the technicalities of domain name ownership and domain name redirects because I can assure you JLuscre is not the only person that would realize this difference as it is a very common practice in many corperations and orgs. in the United States as well as around the world.

Then what would it be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.247.253 (talk) 01:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion
I noticed that the famous alumni section of the Kent State page is getting longer. Do you think it maybe could be put in a different page linked under the expanded categories at the bottom, maybe under people?

Deletion of Gardens
Hi, I spent a great deal of time putting together this section, any particular reason why you deleted it? You mention that it is not notable, but I disagree, it is as notable as the residence hall list and the learning community list... would you please undo your deletion. I am working on a reference. Thanks.--Pacificboyksu (talk) 03:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
I have some other pictures of KSU I plan to upload soon. I'm still not familiar with the wiki processes, still learning. --Pacificboyksu (talk) 14:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Stow-Munroe Falls High School
I semi-protected it for a week, so anon and new editors can't edit it. Thanks for the heads up. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:44, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Given Ruhrfisch's help, is there anything I can do? I've fixed a few headers and improved the intro, but there's nothing more than I can think of at this sleepy hour.  Nyttend (talk) 05:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I was also calling it a night and so did not do any cleanup - thanks Nyttend! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Roosevelt HS
Having read through the discussion, I'm not entirely clear — what do you want me to say? I can't imagine what I'd say that you've not already said: my words would be something like "websites like this are generally reliable enough that we need some demonstration that they're wrong before we doubt them", and "you need to find some way to prove that the school website is wrong". Perhaps try to get a citation to a newspaper article or something like that? Is this the kind of thing that the Ravenna paper or the Beacon-Journal would cover? I really don't know what to say/do; sorry. Explain a way that I can help and I'll continue to try :-) Nyttend (talk) 03:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I just realised (seeing the HS edit history) that you and JeffBillman aren't the same person :-) Seeing that you and the man who was once SwissCelt are both from Portage County (or at least I think so), and both have a username of FirstnameLastname (with Firstname being a short name starting with J) I've been thinking of you as Swisscelt for months :-)  Nyttend (talk) 03:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Too funny. Nope, I'm not Jon... although we both are from Portage County.  And yes, I am The Editor Formerly Known As SwissCelt. ;-) -- JeffBillman (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

NRHP in Kent
Sorry for not getting back to you on the other point: I fell asleep at the computer for a few minutes, and thought it best to get to bed immediately :-)

What do you mean by "doesn't exist anymore": that the building is gone? If so: probably the best thing is to try to get a picture of the site and upload it — see what I did for the Homer Laughlin House at the Columbiana County list — as proof of its nonexistence. Of course it will be sufficient if you have other sources that say that it is gone, but if you go with other sources, the county list article won't look as nice :-) Once you have proof, please post a notice at WP:NRIS issues, in its section "Ohio: demolished but still listed".  Nyttend (talk) 13:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. Any idea if the building in the previous version of the image is the actual building?  Buildings are still listed if they get moved; for example, the Roebling House in Saxonburg (Butler County, Pennsylvania) is still listed, despite being (confusingly) several blocks away from its listed location.  Nyttend (talk) 18:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So it has pictures! Nice :-)  If I understand rightly, most forms don't come with pictures, so I didn't expect that this one would.  Nyttend (talk) 18:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong: the only forms that I've ever gotten are for three restricted-address sites that understandably come with neither. I'm requested a few more forms, although they've not yet come in the mail yet.  Nyttend (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Stow-Munroe Falls High School
Hi there.

There was an towards the end of Talk:Stow-Munroe Falls High School, but it actually seemed to be a request to you; therefore I've cancelled out the request, and added a little note. If this was a mistake, please reinstate the request. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  03:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

smfhs photo
fire away (in regards to editing the smfhs photo)... just don't crop TOO much —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.103.117 (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

my apologies for removing comments without asking before. I would appreciate it if you would now remove this and the previous comment. please make an exception this one time. thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.103.117 (talk) 01:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I generally like to keep my talk conversations for a variety of reasons, mostly so people can see who and how I interact with people and why. Why do you feel like you need to remove every conversation?  It really sends out the wrong message.  --JonRidinger (talk) 01:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * nevermind, thank you for your time —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.103.117 (talk) 02:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

alumnus/a (alumni pl.) = graduate(s) and/or attendee(s)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alumni —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.103.117 (talk) 22:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I stand corrected as far as the subheading goes. That's fine, though I would guess most people assume someone who is listed as an alum of a given school actually graduated from said school despite the definition.  For instance, while I am technically an alumnus of Brigham Young University-Idaho and could be listed as such under the full definition, it would have to be noted that I do not hold a degree from the school since I graduated from Kent State University.  This quote comes from the Wikipedia Schools Wikiproject in regards to the Alumni sections on articles: "After a description, state when they graduated or what years they attended."  So perhaps, removing "former students" from the subheading works, but it should still be noted whether or not someone in the list graduated from the school or not in the line after their name.  See WP: WPSCH/AG. I would highly recommend reading the entire WP:WPSCH and WP:WPSCH/AG pages to become familiar with the formats and guidelines for school articles. --JonRidinger (talk) 05:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * "Note that these guidelines are advisory and editors are not obliged to follow them." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.103.117 (talk) 12:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Again, true, but that doesn't mean "do whatever you want" and since I am a member of the Wikipedia Schools Project, those are guidelines I agree with. The guidelines have been created to help establish some sort of uniformity and standards in the articles and while they don't have to be followed exactly, they should, in my opinion, be followed in a general way, particularly in regards to content and the general layout of articles.  As for the alumni section, although techically "alumni/ae" is correct, the very article you used to support your argument on inclusion of all people who attended the school as alumni also states that the word "alumni" is generally accepted today as a plural form for a mixed group, hence most schools having "Alumni associations."  "The term alumni is used in conjunction with either men's colleges, a male group of students, or a mixed group of students:
 * Traditionally, the masculine plural alumni has been used for groups composed of both sexes and is still widely so used." I think it's just getting a bit nitpicky to have "alumni/ae" given that the vast majority of people regard "alumni" as a plural form for all.  Also a side note, in the alumni list, it is not necessary to use the person's original name; use the name that their Wikipedia article is titled.  If people want to know more about that person, they can click on the link and go to that article.  --JonRidinger (talk) 16:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * fair enough, sounds good —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.14.180 (talk) 17:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

smfhs notable alumni: haley keeling/bennett
I would think the name she used as a student as SMFHS IS in fact relevant. I can understand including her showbiz name, but I can't understand removing the name she likely registered with in the school system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.14.180 (talk) 17:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It really isn't relevant to this article. The point of the alumni section is to point people to notable people who have gone to the school. Her maiden name is listed on her own article, which is where that is appropriate. Remember, the subject of the article is Stow-Munroe Falls High School, not Haley Bennett. Just use the name for the Wikipedia article title since that is what she is best known as. The fact that she went by a different name is trivial at best and you have no source to prove she went by that name while at Stow. Bear in mind, there is still no source that states she attended the high school; only that she lived in Stow. --JonRidinger (talk) 17:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * to be honest, i really, truly don't care if she's in the entry at all-- from what i can gather, if she was at SMFHS (and that's a big if), it wasn't for very long-- i never added her in the first place, she was there long before i made any contributions-- in regards to her name, i still do not agree: i understand including the showbiz name, but her name as a student of SMFHS (again, assuming she was ever there) was Keeling, not Bennett-- you've made it abundantly clear that the article is about SMFHS, so wouldn't her SMFHS name merit inclusion? obviously the general wikipedia-viewing public is much more likely to have heard of haley bennett over haley keeling, consequently why i think both names should appear-- look, i'm not editing the name any longer, i'm leaving it as you would like-- just wanted to share my thoughts  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.14.180 (talk) 17:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for communicating your thoughts in a constructive way. I understand your concern and appreciate your attention to detail.  Generally, the only time you would include the "born" name is if it were well-known.  In Haley Bennett's case, it's not well known.  Further, since there is a link to the Wikipedia article, if someone really did want to know, they could easily find out, so including it on the SMFHS article really isn't necessary to advance the subject of the main subject.  The way I see it, if someone asked you "what famous people went to Stow High School?"  I or you would likely answer among others "Haley Bennett."  I woukd support using the "born" name if she had played some important role in the school's history, however, such as: "Haley Bennett, then known as Haley Keeling..." but that would only be in the history section, not the alumni list.  --JonRidinger (talk) 18:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)