User talk:Jonas Myrin Official

October 2014
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for advertising or promotion. From your contributions, this seems to be your only purpose. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  13:51, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * We only have one article about each subject. You can't have an 'official' (i.e. approved by you) page to counter another (not approved by you) page. The place you posted the material I refer to above is a user page. Those are there for editors to tell us a bit about themselves, not for articles - see WP:FAKEARTICLE. If things in the article about you are referenced to what are considered reliable independent sources WP:RS, they can't be removed. If the source can be shown in other reliable independent sources to be mistaken, then something can be done about it - preferably after discussion on the article's talk page. There is no right on Wikipedia for someone to have things he doesn't like removed unless they are unreferenced, and once again, this should not be done by the person concerned - see WP:BLP. Peridon (talk) 10:13, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am saying that you shouldn't edit that page. I would warn you that threatening legal action is the surest way to either get blocked or remain blocked WP:NLT. I would also advise you that unless there is material there that is libellous, you would get nowhere with legal proceedings. There is no right to control a page here, or promote. If there is anything libellous, please tell us and it will be looked at. Why is your other work not on the page? Possibly no-one who edits here has noticed it or cared enough, or it has been posted in a promotional way - like your user page - or was not referenced correctly. Wikipedia readers deserve to have up-to-date info, but it has to be verifiable and neutral. We do not guarantee that information is up to date, but we do prefer to have it that way if possible. We do not allow material that is or appears to be promotional. I'm putting a tag to notify other admins about this page so we can get other opinions or agreement. Peridon (talk) 12:28, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Can someone else have a look here, please. I don't seem to be getting anywhere. Peridon (talk) 12:28, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am attempting, in my decline of your latest unblock request, to clarify some of the issues for you, Jonas Myrin. If you can at last understand why you cannot simply change the article to suit your own preferences, then maybe you can be unblocked to contribute constructively. If, however, you persist in taking up administrators' time by repeatedly posting unblock requests which completely fail to get the point, your access to this talk page may be removed, to prevent such waste of admin time. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:54, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Dear James, I would like to confirm that A: I understand that my attempt to create a wikipedia page contravened the rules, I was unaware of these rules as I am 100% newbie... this is crystal clear. B: I would like to learn how to constructively add to the site that i have and/or change the name to suit the rules, I am not clear on what I can do C: I would like an admin to confirm that why Jonas Myrin (not this page that I have created) is limiting the updates to "christian" religious content only and not recognizing anything else. all attempts to add relevant and meaningful information that is not promotional but factual has been denied by this editor. I am only trying to understand the rules and engage in conversation to the betterment of this page that refers to me. It is frustrating as a user to have wikipedia references come up number 2 on google to prospective future work colleagues only for them to bypass me thinking its factual information. As i am the person it refers to, surely I have a say in waht is said about me...if what is being said about me is untrue or half truths, HOW do I go about this? I am happy to change the name by adding a middle name to at least give a real background (with references) I hope this is clear and not seen as time wasting as suggested.

Dear James, I just saw one of your responses. to quote and answer the following "I have looked at the article Jonas Myrin, and I really cannot see anything that could remotely be considered to be likely to "ruin your career", nor even anything that looks substantially unfavourable to you" the problem is simply that secular professional companies (record companies, marketing companies) etc are not completely favorable of Christian Artists. Whereas I am not ashamed of my contributions to the church at large I am also aware that the representation of my career is considerably limited. I wonder what Wikipedia's thoughts are if what I am saying is true which in a nutshel is this (A christian fundamentalist has stated that he will only allow a portion of my work that relates to Christianity because he is of the belief that this is the only relevant information the public need to know) I can't believe for one moment that wiki would promote that assuming what I am telling you is true. the truth is I don't need to REMOVE anything to whitewash whats there, but I would like my friends, fans alike to add what is relevant rather than it being curated by a fundamentalist. that's my only point. if this is not the forum for this I apologise, but as I said I am very new to this and its years of frustriation all being explained in one afternoon.. apologies If I come accross as blunt. perhaps also why is this page not promotional and mine is/was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Sheeran - I only want to have a page that has my history in a similar format, whether I do it or not... also, what does one do if the information posted is falsely represented and all attempts to rectify are thwarted by the admin/editor of that article by everyone who tries.

one thing to add, I think the penny has dropped in terms of the difference between articles and user accounts... whereas I think I understand the difference, it doesn't change my issue. When people click on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Myrin they see an account/article/reference which they think is real. admittedly some of the information is real, but not all of it is relevant and its certainly not upto date. any attempt by me or other to update it is quashed UNLESS it has a "Christian religious theme" I would simply like the person to consider updating the article with work and a history that is balanced and not biased towards religion.

Comment
If someone has stated that he is restricting the information to one particular aspect, then he is in breach of WP:OWN and the matter needs to be dealt with. Can you give us any sort of reference for this? (I'm afraid that personal communications such as actual speech or emails wouldn't count as being verifiable but published things that are accessible such as Facebook could possibly be taken into consideration even though not usually regarded as reliable.) Wikipedia has no reason or desire to restrict information in this manner. It is a non-religious organisation, and promotes no viewpoint other than the neutral and verifiable. When editing, users are expected to leave their religion, politics, employment, guns and any other dangerous things at the door. I'll have a look through the history of the article. Peridon (talk) 14:50, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

thank you Peridon. unfortunately, I do not have anything verifiable from the user I can show you. but the history does speak for itself. all additions are Christian based only, if you look at my website and/or anywhere on the net I have had extensive secular work. I think a test would be for you/somebody to add something relevant that you find about me that is secular based to see the response you get. is that possible? obviously under the rules I can't provide that info, but it is easily traced online. anyway, all he will do is undo the changes with no comments... thanks for hearing me on all of this. I understand if you don;t have the power to change this. but I thought I would have a try nonetheless.
 * What I think I see so far is attempts being made to remove or gloss over the Hillsong connection. I'd better explain that Wikipedia articles are not for purely the current situation. If someone has become a gay convert to the Jewish faith after being a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, and they have an article here, their former affiliation is a matter of record and the fact that they are now on the other side (so to speak) will join the previous information. If you want to move on to different pastures in your career, well and good. There's a better market in secular music. But your previous genre has to stay in. This is quite unlike your own site, or Facebook or reverbnation, where you have control of what's on display. What is needed is good referencing for any change. I'll ping  and . TG is an admin who is good at rescue work, and Peter knows about religious matters without being biased. Peridon (talk) 15:16, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * BTW to indent paragraphs, put one : (or however many are necessary to go further across) at the start of the line, and please sign on talk pages with ~ to put your sig and datestamp on. Peridon (talk) 15:18, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

~ ok, I love your example, that is hilarious. :) ok, so I am happy to keep my hillsong connection, but I would also like to be balanced with my other interests too.  I will wait for some feedback from TG in how I might legitimately go about referencing this while staying within the boundaries of wiki's legislation. thanks again
 * No, the ~ shouldn't have the nowiki bits and it goes at the end. nowiki is there to stop it working as I'm not signing. Just type it in from the keyboard. Peridon (talk) 15:49, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi again, Jonas. It seems to me that you understand the issues involved much better than you did. All credit to you for being willing to listen and learn (which many blocked editors don't) and all credit to Peridon for helping you. I am wondering whether unblocking you might be reasonable now, or soon. Opinions on that from Peridon, and from HJ Mitchell, the blocking administrator, would be welcome. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd have no objection to an unblock if you and Peridon are satisfied that Jonas understands the relevant policies. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  20:37, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Jonas Myrin Official (talk) 20:53, 24 October 2014 (UTC) thank you all I look forward to perhaps building a page and/or article that reflects the overal picture. I appreciate your help thus far for this very nontechnical newbie :)
 * I'm not so sure about the 'Official', but if the others think it's acceptable... And please listen to me again. Your sig goes HERE at the end. Like this: Peridon (talk) 21:00, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm going to try to see what I can find, but offhand I do want to note that some of the links (like this one) are coming up as dead links. What type of article was at this link? It looks like it was a review, but I can't see anything in a history search via the Wayback Machine or Google archives. This does mean that unfortunately we may have to cull a lot of the present information from the article because it'd ultimately be unsourced. We can use some primary sources to save some material, but there's usually a large pushback on using a primary source as the main source of information for an article's biography section. Something to note though, is that coverage does not have to be in English so if you know of any articles in other languages (Swedish, for example) then we can always use those. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   03:26, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I've done some cleanup for the page and moved quite a bit of it to a discography section, which is incomplete at this point in time. I do have a question about the whole "Swedish vs American" thing: in one article it mentions that your parents are/were missionaries. Were they American missionaries? By that I mean, did they hold citizenship in North America? If they did and you can prove that they held American citizenship when you were born and they listed you as an American citizen, then that would by some definitions make you an American citizen. However if they held Swedish citizenship when you were born (or were born in Sweden themselves), then technically you'd be Swedish as far as citizenship goes. (It's fairly complicated and frustrating, what little I do know about the whole citizenship and dual citizenship thing.) If there was some American births or citizenship involved here then we may be able to list you as Swedish-American, although you would have to be able to prove this with a reliable source since there are multiple sources that list you as just Swedish. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:30, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * On a side note, something that you can do (and it looks like you have already thought of) is have an interview with a reliable source and mention your nationality history. We've had people who did just that- I can't remember the author's name, but one person specifically went to a major newspaper and let himself be interviewed just to have a reliable source that cited the information that he wanted added to the article. Of course it's not as easy as just getting a news article written about you- it has to be in a place that Wikipedia would consider reliable, especially since there has been some editing back and forth on this specific topic. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Jonas Myrin Official (talk) 08:25, 25 October 2014 (UTC) thank you Tokyogirl79, it is looking better already! that said, what would be great is a recent picture. as you can see the pic there is something the admin took years ago in Ukraine when I was about 14! ha!.. any atempt to add a more recent image is thwated by Garick as he wants to keep his own picture in place. if he insists on keeping it, I guess that is his parogative although a recent one would be nice, what do you think? user:jonasmyrinoffical


 * Hi Jonas. Please sign the end of your messages, not the beginning.  (Example: {blah blah blah ~ } and not { ~ blah blah blah} - Please. —&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160;Bill W.&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160; (Talk)&#160;&#160;(Contrib)&#160;&#160; (User:Wtwilson3) &#160;&#160;— 15:00, 25 October 2014 (UTC)