User talk:Jonathan Chaplin

Roy Chaplin
Welcome.

I notice that you have commenced your article on Roy Chaplin. Previously, on the Wikipedia help-desk, you self-identified Roy Chaplin as your father. In this case therefore, you have a direct conflict of interest and, as a result, should take care when creating the article. You may need some help avoiding the introduction of bias. I suspect you may also need help with the application of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.

I have not fully read your draft. I do however note "... was known to all as ‘Roy (my emphasis). Consider you are writing for a global audience; for example, I didn't know him as 'Roy'. Unless you can back up such unsupported attributions with a reliable source you should not use such expressions.

I also notice that you created your first draft in your user-page. This page is normally reserved for information about yourself as a user. Perhaps my own user-page could be used as an example? I would recommend you create this article in your sandbox or better yet, as a sub-page of your user-page here: User:Jonathan Chaplin/Roy Chaplin (clicking that link creates a new page named "Roy Chaplin" as a sub-page of User:Jonathan Chaplin). The advantage of this method is that when you eventually move the article to the main-space of Wikipedia, its associated edit-history and talk-page will move with it. In addition, as a sub-page, it is easier for other editors to assist you.

I hope you view the above constructively as it is sincerely intended.

-- Senra (talk) 13:45, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


 * After receiving advice from the helpful people at IRC, I from User:Jonathan Chaplin to User:Jonathan Chaplin/Roy Chaplin then  (via its talk-page) to Wikiproject biography (by copying the code from Sydney Camm's talk-page here) -- Senra (talk) 17:18, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * , whilst made in good faith, is misguided. You should not sign within articles; only sign on talk-pages. If I have led you to this conclusion somewhere, I apologise -- Senra (talk) 18:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Multiple citations to the same source can be simplified by using the parameter of the opening   tag as per citing sources. Give a unique name to the first occurrence of the citation (e.g.  ) then use that name in subsequent citations to the same source (e.g.  ), this time without the full citation. See  -- Senra (talk) 16:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Fellowship election
Chaplin, Nixon (1939) The Problem of Ancillary Power Services on Aircraft was presented to the Royal Aeronautical Society (RAeS) on 30 March 1939. See also. I note that Flight 6 April 1939 p. 357 referred to Chaplin as "Mr. R. H. Chaplin, B.Sc, A.F.R.Ae.S." I suspect this means he was an associate fellow at that time. There may be an implication that this paper was used as part of the RAeS fellowship election process. Do we have access to any reliable sources showing that this was in fact the case? In addition, when was he formerly elected? -- Senra (talk) 12:52, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * This query -- Senra (talk) 13:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Ready for moving
This article is now ready for moving to article-space. After moving, and as I have suggested elsewhere, I would recommend nominating this article for Did You Know; it might be eligible to appear on the Main Page. I can help you do this. Contact me on my talk-page if you want my help. You can of course do it yourself. Read learning DYK first then nominate the article by following the instructions for nominators -- Senra (talk) 18:06, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * moved User:Jonathan Chaplin/Roy Chaplin to Roy Chaplin -- Senra (talk) 16:57, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Chaplin's BBC interview
Another editor,, a  tag (CN) to "The BBC interviewed Chaplin in his quiet Wiltshire home" recently. Are you able to provide citation details, perhaps using a cite interview template for this statement? -- Senra (talk) 16:42, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I have an audiotape of my father Roy Chaplin being interviewed at home. The text on the tape box just says 'Interview with R.H.Chaplin included in BBC Radio 4 PM programme ... 1982 - THE FALKLANDS WAR Interview with Libby Fawbert introduced by Valerie Singleton Roy Chaplin on the Harrier'. If I recall correctly this was during or just after conflict (late-May/early-June 1982). I am in the process of getting this converted to a digital sound file. --Jonathan Chaplin (talk) 17:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * As stated on my talk-page, copyright of this interview belongs to the BBC. Unless the BBC specifically signs a Wikipedia release, unlikely in my opinion, your digital sound-file cannot be used directly on Wikipedia. If you wish to go this route, contact the BBC at Seeking permission to re-use BBC copyright material. Be aware that you would also break copyright by uploading your recording elsewhere -- Senra (talk) 18:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Alternatively, you could listen to the contents of your audiotape transcribing those parts of the interview you think might be useful. You could then quote parts of the interview in the article, citing BBC Radio 4 as the source. Wikipedia still needs the details for cite interview and I suspect you may need to find the date and time of broadcast&mdash;I am not certain about this, late-May/early-June 1982 may suffice. Consider sending an email to the BBC via BBC Radio 4 feedback asking them if they know the broadcast details. Tell them what you are doing. Perhaps send them a link to this thread. They may be very interested -- Senra (talk) 18:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Consider adding this as a citation for the interview ...
 * which would result in
 * -- Senra (talk) 18:50, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Refactored above following more information from Jonathan -- Senra (talk) 20:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed replacing it with a citation to the interview -- Senra (talk) 17:03, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Refactored above following more information from Jonathan -- Senra (talk) 20:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed replacing it with a citation to the interview -- Senra (talk) 17:03, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK preparation
We should select a fact from the article as a DYK hook. The fact needs to be reliably sourced. We could say "...did you know that Roy Chaplin was awarded an OBE in 1962 for his achievements in the design and development of military aircraft?" although I am sure we could pick something better. Perhaps something to do with the Harrier? -- Senra (talk) 21:21, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, where you see a red-link such as "Roy Chaplin" it means that there is no such article. In this case, Roy Chaplin will turn blue (like this: Sydney Camm) after your draft article is moved to main article-space. If Roy Chaplin is green, it has already been moved -- Senra (talk) 21:21, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I would prefer "Did you know that Roy Chaplin was awarded an OBE in 1946 for his achievements in the design and development of military aircraft?" and was working on the jumpjet in 1962 when he retired, as did the Harrier in 2011".--Jonathan Chaplin (talk) 14:28, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps this reads better as - "Did you know that Roy Chaplin was awarded an OBE in 1946 for his achievements in the design and development of military aircraft; he was working on the Jumpjet in 1962 when he retired."--Jonathan Chaplin (talk) 16:56, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * May I suggest the hyphenated lower-case "jump-jet"? Two reasons: firstly the hook would then be consistent with (erm, admittedly my fixes to) the article and secondly, although Wikipedia has a guideline (Manual of Style#Hyphens), as this is a British English article I suggest we defer to "The Times Style and Usage Guide", 2003. p. 92. Thus we get the DYK hook
 * "... Roy Chaplin was awarded an OBE in 1946 for his achievements in the design and development of military aircraft and was working on the jump-jet in 1962 when he retired?"
 * -- Senra (talk) 17:25, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * &mdash;I have now nominated your Roy Chaplin article as a DYK candidate. Other editors will now review our nomination to determine if it satisfies the DYK rules. If they have any questions, they will raise them here on your talk-page. Please monitor your talk-page regularly -- Senra (talk) 01:02, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Impressive first article
is very impressive. You are clearly familiar with writing and this shows.

It is true I (and other editors) have since made modifications to your Roy Chaplin article, but these changes have mainly been for Wikipedia structure and style. I did add some photographs and I made some minor content changes&mdash;cited to appropriate sources of course. You are free to make further changes as necessary so be bold! I would especially ask you to check that all statements are still being attributed to relevant sources, as I did move some citations around a little.

The entire editing history of your article is available here. You can view the history of any Wikipedia page (article, user or talk-page) by visiting the page and clicking the view history tab (near the top). I took care to complete the edit summary field prior to saving each edit to your article. These edit summaries should explain why I made each edit and may help you to learn Wikipedia style in the process. I should emphasise that I am a Wikipedia editor like yourself and in my case I have no special skills other than familiarity with some of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I can and do make mistakes!

I should remind you that I feel I need to assist you in editing Roy Chaplin for one main reason: you self-declared that you are the son of Roy Chaplin and thus have a conflict of interest. With your obvious writing skills, Wikipedia would very much value your contributions to any other articles.

-- Senra (talk) 12:15, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree with Senra here, this is shaping up to be quite an impressive article. You still need to watch for neutrality, but this is probably ready to be published in main space... of course, at your own leisure. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Jonathan. I went through the article thoroughly and made some improvements. There were some promo/COI issues regarding how "proud" he was and other things, but nothing that can't be improved by other editors. Definitely an impressive piece of work and a welcome improvement to Wikipedia even without my edits. If you like, I would be happy to move it to article-space for you. CorporateM (Talk) 15:31, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi: I also am impressed with the article and hope you move it to mainspace soon. I hope you don't mind that I made some tweaks and added some links. I went looking for the BBC interview and failed to find it, but I did find this oral history interview with Ralph Hooper which might be usable as a source, since it mentions his working with your father at several points. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:04, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Great. Is your link to the British Library Sound and moving image catalogue ? When I click the link it takes me to a "timed out" page. Is there a transcript available? Does your link go to ""? -- Senra (talk) 19:49, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry; I reached the same page via 2 searches and figured it was stable. The title appears to be "Ralph Hooper interviewed by Thomas Lean". I believe that's the same as your cite above, except it looks to me to be audio, not video. Dates are given as: 2010.08.04, 2010.08.18, 2010.09.15, 2010.10.04, 2010.10.26, 2010.11.23. The details page which lists all the topics covered in the interview. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:02, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I found it. It is actually -- Senra (talk) 20:15, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I added this Ralph Hooper interview to the further reading section of the article. I am not sure whether the PDF transcript is a permanent link. Can someone check it please -- Senra (talk) 10:10, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It just opened for me and appears to be all there :-) --Yngvadottir (talk) 13:03, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Great. Thank you -- Senra (talk) 01:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I thank you all for your encouragement, patience and guidance to this newcomer to wikipedia. --Jonathan Chaplin (talk) 17:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Biplane v. monoplane fighters
I have amended the statement to better reflect Chaplin's orignal text in the RAeS Hurrican Symposium proceedings, which was - The idea of a monoplane fighter had appealed to Camm for some time but many of the die-hards in the Air Ministry still held the view, dating from World War 1, that the monoplane was unsuitable, unsafe and even dangerous for use as a military aeroplane--Jonathan Chaplin (talk) 07:30, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Did You Know (DYK) for Roy Chaplin
The Did You Know (DYK) nomination for Roy Chaplin was approved for the Main Page yesterday by. At some point in the next few days, the article will semi-automatically move to one of the preparation areas of the DYK queue from where it will make its way to the Main Page about 1–2-days later -- Senra (talk) 16:12, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Roy Chaplin
Orlady (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * This article was viewed 5,031 times whilst on the main page and has thus been listed at DYKSTATS February 2013. Well done Jonathan -- Senra (talk) 01:01, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Fixed your talk page archiving
Hi! I took the liberty of fixing the auto-archiving settings at the top of this page. --rchard2scout (talk) 12:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC)