User talk:Jonathan at CornellNLP

ConvoWizard talk page study
This is the continuation of a discussion orignially held at Moneytrees talk page.

Hi Moneytrees, I am approaching you as you were the one who promoted this study at the ANI and even having successfully signed up in the third try I am just not getting the updates as described here in the description of the project. Nor have I received a link to the ConvoWizard.

I have received an e-mail by someone appearing to be someone involved in the project, but I must admit I doubt it. First I clicked on the option that I want communication on the study over the wikipedia talk page... yet they approach me over email. And the answers are also not really bringing the expected solution.

Why can't they just install the ConvoWizard or at least give a link to where I can do it by myself. I expect that after having signed up for a week and the signup discussion is archived, they either notice I have not installed the tool correctly or I get raltime talk page updates.

I have told the contact person per Email I'll open a discussion at your talk page.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:46, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Paradise Chronicle,


 * This is Jonathan from the ConvoWizard team. Do you know who the person who contacted you over email was? I spoke with the other team members here and nobody involved with the project (other than Moneytrees themselves) have reached out to you by email.


 * Regarding your question about not getting a link to install ConvoWizard: did you complete the survey all the way to the end? At the very end of the survey (assuming you are eligible and marked Yes for the consent form) there is a final page that includes a link to the installation instructions page. Can you confirm that you ever got that link? If not, it's possible that you quit the survey too early, in which case I'd invite you to fill it out again until you get to the final page with the link.


 * I hope this helps clear things up, but please don't hesitate to reach out (either here or on my own talk page) if anything is still unclear.


 * -- Jonathan at CornellNLP (talk) 19:12, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Jonathan, great, if you write me an email I'll resend you the whole conversation, but for the moment I do not feel comfortable with sharing it onwiki. But they claimed to be part of your project, so I believe its ok to share the contact with your team in private.


 * And dear Jonathan, I do not complain easily, I've completed the survey now twice and was accepted also twice. I have downloaded convowizard twice as well. And yet, my "reply tool" doesn't give me any updates.


 * I'll give you now a little rant so the tool could warn me, but I believe it won't warn me, just a test.


 * Do you earn money by deceiving wikipedia editors in taking part in a study and at the same time collecting data what browser they use?


 * Why do you withhold the fact that only firefox and goolge browsers are welcome from the application form?


 * Why do ask for communication per email when wikipedia talk pages are the target of the study?


 * Didn't warn me.


 * My aim in taking part in the study is to learn how to win an argument where one argues obviously wrong like here. Absolutely nothing from the 1st to the 11th of July? There is  info about the events between the 1st and the 11th July. Actually the whole discussion is interesting. I guess that editor would like to learn from you as well. Both of us would like to learn. Get the it done Jonathan and let us learn.  Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * My honest and serious advice would be to hire an Wikipedia programmer to write a script for the convowizard for its use on wikipedia. We have several programmers who have a lot experience in writing very useful scripts for wikipedia and of which I have installed several. Some are also just for testing like the one I recently installed.  Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Got it, I think I found the issue. It looks like although you've installed ConvoWizard and claimed a token, you haven't yet logged in to the tool (on our end, the token still shows as not activated). As a security measure, ConvoWizard is completely nonfunctional until you are logged in with a valid token. The installation page includes instructions for using the token to log in, but just to repeat it here: clicking on the ConvoWizard icon in the extensions menu should show a popup login form, where you need to enter your username and token. After clicking "submit" you should then see the message "Token successfully processed". If this still doesn't work, feel free to let us know.


 * I'll also follow up with an email to discuss the issue with the contact. Jonathan at CornellNLP (talk) 00:05, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Jonathan,


 * well thanks. I was about to renounce and quit the aim of wanting to help as it was just too complicated and time consuming. Well, then I thought I'd assume good faith and tried it out, and yeah the issue with the token was not finished. But now I have read the mesage token successfully processed and no updates are incoming yetː) Is there anything else I need to do?


 * Have a good day, Paradise Chronicle


 * P.Sː I guess it is better we move the discussion to your talk page as Moneytrees gets a notification everytime we leave a comment on his talk page.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:50, 12 July 2023 (UTC

Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Paradise Chronicle,
 * Apologies that things have been so complicated thus far. We really do appreciate you trying to stick to it nevertheless. I'm glad you were able to get the token issue resolved. I'm not sure why it would still not be showing any updates in that case. Just to confirm, do you mean you're not seeing any of the additional user interface boxes ConvoWizard is supposed to add? (the blue boxes labeled "ConvoWizard"). Or are you seeing the ConvoWizard interface boxes and they are simply empty?
 * -- Jonathan at CornellNLP (talk) 00:43, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No, nothing. Whatever that is what you mean I gave up trying to understand. I only see convowizard where you or I wrote it, nothing appears automatically. I believe the study will have more participants if you just create a gadget, script, tool, by a Wikipedia programmer. With those, one just needs to hit the button install and thats it. I am returning to my old browser, sorry. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 13:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Re: ConvoWizard
Instagram implemented a similar tool in the comments section and I found that it made me more anxious and upset. It could very well be the way it is worded, as it produced too many false positives. Viriditas (talk) 23:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It just occurred to me, one way the tool could have been improved on the gram, is if instead of making suggestions prior to saving a comment, the tool could be used to offer suggestions as a question prompt. I think this is a great way to use it. In other words, instead of giving the user information without permission, allow the user to modify the tool based on their own editing, discussion environment, and specific comments through a series of prompts. This greatly lowers the anxiety and stress level and gives more power to the user.  So, as an example, if I’m about to comment, instead  of warning before I post, have a little prompt nearby that says "offer suggestion?" or something similar, instead of forcing the suggestions like Insta does. Viriditas (talk) 02:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback! This research is still in the early stages and we're actively exploring alternative ideas for the user experience, so we'll certainly take this suggestion into consideration. Jonathan at CornellNLP (talk) 13:14, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * A little more: I don't see anything wrong with having an intelligent agent or generative AI at the ready and available for anyone who wants to modify their tone in a heated discussion. I can see how this can be helpful when it comes to heavily trafficked pages with lots of discussion topics.  In my experience, it can be difficult to get a grasp on the tenor of the place ("the course of thought or meaning that runs through something written or spoken") when there are so many voices.  As both a reader and an editor, it would be great to get a brief, 30 word report from a "ConvoWizard" on the discussion conditions before I began to comment.  Bonus points if it can call me captain and start off with "logic dictates..." Viriditas (talk) 18:16, 25 October 2023 (UTC)