User talk:Jonathunder/Doughnuts

Deep-fried butter
Reposted here from Dravecky's talk page. I don't think he'll mind. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC) Note to myself, create Deep-fried butter article. - Dravecky (talk) 11:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

More on donuts
(repost from my talk page) I found out a little more about some of the Chinese variations listed on that donut page but I should warn you, without seeing the actual characters involved for all of the Chinese names, it's hard to be sure what was actually intended due to all of the differing pronunciations.

The only "known" thing is that two of the items listed (Jin Doi and Chien Doi) are basically "alternate pronunciations" of jin deui, commonly known in English as "sesame seed balls". I created re-directs for the English names, but I'm not sure the "doi" names deserve them cuz I don't even know if those names are the correct ones (in terms of how Chinese names are written out in English).

Also, "Zhá Miàn Quān" appear to have something to do with fried noodles. Not the "fried rice" kind of fried, but the deep-fried crispy kind. According to my source, "Zhá" is fried and "Miàn" is noodles, but "Quān" didn't seem to fit here cuz the only meaning that made sense was "wide", and no dish that would meet that description came to mind, let alone anything even remotely donut-like. And I don't think the little fried noodles that come on some "mandarin orange salads" count ;-)

Applying similar principles, "Zha Gao" would seem to refer to "fried dumplings", but those are salty more than sweet since the fillings usually have minced pork and mushrooms (see the "Deep-fried Crescent Dumplings" entry on this page). Would those still count as donuts? BTW in case you didn't know and/or were wondering, "gao" and "gok" are the same Chinese character, just pronounced differently in different dialects.

And finally, "saa1 jung1" appears to be more of a description rather than an actual item. "jung1" could mean "middle", and the best guess was that "saa1" refers to the red bean paste ("dou sha") that's often used as a filling. So this phrase could be more akin to "creme-filled" which describes the donut, rather than "boston creme" which would be the name for that type of donut.

If these "best guesses" are accurate, then I'm not sure these deserve their own articles. What do you think?

Cheers, Shymian (talk) 13:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow! Thanks so much for investigating Shymian. There does seem to be some overlap between fried dough foods and doughnuts. I think many of the redlinked terms on the list need to be redirected or even trimmed. As per your findings, a lot of them seem to be indistinguishable clutter, if that's the right phrase for stuff that isn't properly sorted out or explained in a way that's helpful. I'm planning to sort it out a bit more in futur and your findings will be helpful. Redirects and merges seem like a good idea where applicable. I will try to do some follow-up on "Chinese doughnuts" and see what I come up with. Thanks again. Have a good one. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:04, 1 December 2009 (UTC)