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Again, welcome! Chris Roy 21:09, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

P. S. Thanks for cleaning up FFA competitions. I didn't know where to start with that one!

RPGclassics
Greetings, Jonel (in my previous edit I had mistaken you for Chris, the last user to post here. Sorry about that). I hope this is the place to leave a message, as I am still fairly new at editting Wikipedia pages. I see you have removed the RPGclassics entry, but as far as I know I have not violated any copyright laws. Although I did not explicitly state so, I obtained permission from the original writer of the history of the site. If improper acknowledgement was the case, I would understand the deletion of the history, but why the brief description too? Thanks for your time and patience. User:Cless Alvein 22:40, 13 June 2005

Heads of State
The Heads of State in the year pages are nice, but not very comprehensive. (See my additions to 1876). You should look at Rulers.org, which gives pretty much all rulers of the 18th through 20th centuries. john 04:55, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

How about if we move the Heads of State to new pages, List of Heads of State in 1876, or what not, and link to it from the main page? That way we could have all the information without discriminating among countries. john 05:37, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

As to red links, those are made to be filled in. It's better to just put them all in at once, so people can slowly add them, rather than not having them, in which case there may be an article, and no one knows simply because the person who created it didn't realize that the list existed. john 05:39, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

And the German states from 1871-1918 are a rather special case - they were semi-sovereign, and the Kingdoms, at least, and some of the other states (Hesse, for instance, maybe Baden), still sent out diplomatic representatives. I think they're valid, but you're right that it's too long to keep them on the main year page. john 05:40, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Good work on the heads of state pages. I have some concerns, however.
 * Why is "Head of State" capitalized in the article title? It's Wikipedia policy to use lowercase when possible.
 * A whole new title might even be preferable as heads of state is too limiting. In my opinion it would be best to have Prime Ministers, U.N. Secretary generals, Popes, etc. on the list as well.
 * Also it would be best if each article linked to the actual year article, and also to the directory of all the head of state listings at heads of state timeline. - SimonP 17:58, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)

I have copied and continued our discussion at Talk:Heads of state timeline where others can also contribute to discussing this series. - SimonP 20:42, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)

Was Abkhazia a "state"? Did it even exist as a sovereign entity? Now, I know, it's an autonomous entity under Georgia, but would it really have been considered a "state" back then? ugen64 03:07, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)


 * I like your project for heads of state. I'll make organizational pages for 'em tomorrow. One note: you don't need to do XXX of Abkhazia if XXX is not a confusing name. For example: George W. Bush, not George W. Bush of the U.S., whereas it's Charles I of Spain, not Charles I. ugen64 03:18, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)

You have a little typo on your user page - "1879" rather than "1789" in Abkhazia. I would fix it myself, but I'm not sure if it's considered rude to modify someone else's user page (even in such a trivial way).


 * Thanks, fixed it! -- Jonel 05:31, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Please stop creating pages that are incorrectly capitalized. It would also be good to stop until some consensus is reached on these pages. - SimonP 21:53, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)

Please STOP. The stubs you are creating are not very useful and will all have to be reworked, so could you stop creating them while we discuss what should be done with this series. You are continuing to ignore the violation of capitalization rules. - SimonP 22:28, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)

Please see Incumbents_by_year, make comments, etc. ugen64 02:35, Apr 24, 2004 (UTC)

Point taken on the difference between "Heads of State" and "Heads of Government", but wouldn't it make sense to combine the two under one more all-encompassing heading? Getting as many contemporary leaders or whatnot in one place, regardless of their actual title seems somewhat worthwhile. Also, for these pages to be at all useful will take alot of time and work, doubling that amount with two different headings seems masochistic. -R. fiend

Great work on the 2003 incumbents page. In many ways a list like this is the most useful part of the year articles fro how we link them. For a user who reads that "X happened in year Y" knowing who was in power then is far more relevant than a list of random events as we have on the main year pages. - SimonP 19:24, Apr 24, 2004 (UTC)

Links to people with diacritics in names
Your state leader lists have a fair bit of broken links because they link the proper, literal names of certain people, whereas their article names in the English Wikipedia don't have various acutes, haceks etc. Examples include Milan Kucan, Janez Drnovsek, Ivica Racan. I suggest that you pipe-link the article name (the one without the accent). --Shallot 19:50, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Colonial Governors
If you're adding Ottoman dependencies, or whatever, to the colonial page, perhaps a different name is in order for that series. john 20:10, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Maybe List of [rulers/leaders] of colonies and dependencies in XXXX, or something, would make sense. john 20:34, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

The Completeness of Denmark
Are we taking a country as complete if listed to 1700... or to the states foundation? I suppose we could use the to do page to concentrate on post-1700, and hence line through countries complete to that date...--OldakQuill 09:51, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

North Yemen
Hi. I am looking at your list of premiers of North Yemen. In a book I have at home (Heads of State and Government, 1945-1992) I have a very different list. Just wondering what your source is. Danny 03:06, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

My book could also be wrong. It is all pretty confusing with three different Yemens. Danny 03:15, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

No problems. I was pretty convinced my book was wrong. Danny 03:22, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Looks good now. Thanks. Danny 03:45, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Ship articles
I note that you're adding ship articles with HTML table markup. Standard tables for various navies in wiki markup can be found pff the ship wikiproject page. I find the wiki markup a lot easier on the eyes when working with tables. David Newton 19:57, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Since I only put that collection of standard tables there yesterday you can be forgiven for missing it!


 * I've had the collection linked off my own user page for a while now, modelled on the standard table in the standard table list for the whole Wikipedia, but I hadn't got round to transferring them to the Wikiproject page. David Newton 22:53, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

You've added a lot of ships of the United States navy, and put them mostly in Category:Ships. The recommended practice is to put articles in the most specific category (or categories) available. In this case, I think Category:US naval ships, a subcategory of Category:Naval ships and Category:US ships, would be the right place. Category:Ships should really just have a few "orphans", ships that don't belong in other categories. So it would be nice if you could re-categorize your contributions. Gdr 23:14, 2004 Aug 8 (UTC)

List of colonial governorsin ...
A number of these pages have a bad overlap problem with the section lines drawn by the new software. It appears to resolve when more than three countries are listed triggering the TOC. Are you planning to work on these further? Also I wonder what happens if you choose to turn TOC's off. Rmhermen 14:39, Jul 1, 2004 (UTC)

Nations at the Olympics
Please reply to the discussion at Talk:2004_Summer_Olympics regarding articles on specific nations. [[User:Colipon|Colipon -- (Talk)]] 01:17, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Re:Olympic archery - names
East Asian surnames should go first so it should be Xue Haifeng instead of Haifeng Xue (as a rule for people from mainland China, the part with two syllables are the given names and go last but this is difficult to tell for the Taiwanese and Koreans who sometimes put a space between given names).

I'm not familiar with Korean names (maybe ask User:Menchi), but I believe the correct form is Im Dong-hyun, with Im the surname. This means what's in the rankings table needs to be converted into what's into the bullet point listing. As for Im Dong Hyun vs. Im Dong-Hyun I'm not really sure since the capitalization and use of dashes in Korea (as in Taiwan and Hong Kong) isn't fully standardized. Try googling to see which one is more common. --Jiang 09:04, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Netherlands Antilles at the 2004 Summer Olympics
Hi, I just did a copy of this article for German Wikipedia. In the database of the Games I couldn't find an entry for tennis player Jean-Julien Rojer. Further there was no entry in the start list for swimmer Silvie Ketelaars. Do you have other sources, which may can verify this information. -- de:Benutzer:Triebtäter

Thanks for your inquiry. Ketelaars is still listed as participant on athens2004.com, though she probably did not compete. After finishing all articles about the eleven sportspeople from Netherlands Antilles I'll try to contact the NOC to get more background information. -- de:Benutzer:Triebtäter

Olympics and highlighting
Hi, I noticed you were highlighted and reformatting all the Athletics sections of the individual country pages for these Olympics. Personally, I really think the highlighting becoems excessive, especially for pages like the US page, where there are SO many medal winners (now repeated not only in the medal sections, but in the sports section as well). I personally think it would make more sense to seperate by "sport", and then sort by sport, but list sport on the same line as the athletes name. Keep the medal winners only in the medal table, and not do the massvie highlighting so everyone can read. Is there a discussion going on about how to format all these pages? If not, I think we should make one- so at the least, we can get everything to one standard format. Thanks! Lyellin 05:44, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)


 * Perhaps we should start a discussion? Maybe on the wikiproject page? I think it should be done, so we can get the format stable.... I know when I was making some smaller country pages, that was NOT the format I used, and I thought I was being consistant with the normal format. *shrugs* whoops :P. Lyellin 05:57, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started the Free the Rambot Articles Project which has the goals of getting users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to... using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) version 1.0 and 2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to the GFDL (which every contribution made to Wikipedia is licensed under), but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles (See the Multi-licensing Guide for more information). Since you are among the top 1000 most active Wikipedians, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles.
 * 1) ...all U.S. state, county, and city articles...
 * 2) ...all articles...


 * Nutshell: Wikipedia articles can be shared with any other GFDL project but open/free projects using the incompatible Creative Commons Licenses (e.g. WikiTravel) can't use our stuff and we can't use theirs. It is important to us that other free projects can use our stuff.  So we use their licenses too.

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the   template (or    for public domain) into their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:


 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace   with   . If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know at my talk page what you think. -- Ram-Man 17:57, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Sandy Matheson
Since you created the article on Sandy Matheson, I was hoping you could update it. Its current text clearly is written from a pre-September 2004 POV, and all the future events described have presumbly taken place. I'd do it myself, except I am not familiar with the race and its results. (I found this article through Random page.) Thank you. &mdash; Jeff Q 08:30, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Jay Inslee
Nice addition. However, please be aware of the distinction between "challenger" and "open seat" races -- the former is generally used only to refer to races where the incumbent is running for re-election. Inslee's 1992 race was for an open seat, as was his 1996 gubernatorial primary bid, and I've been unable to find any information on his 1988 election to the state legislature. RadicalSubversiv E 02:42, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Archery at the Summer Olympics
Your contributions to this set of articles are more than impressive! Cmapm 21:36, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Olympic Articles
Hi, Where are you copying your info from? Lotsofissues 07:04, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * The archery information is coming mostly from the International Archery Federation. Their website is here - .  Records information comes from olympic.org along with medals history.  I also have been using David Wallechinsky's Complete Book of the Olympics for some rules minutiae and other such information I haven't been able to find elsewhere.  If you know of a source that has results for the 1988 team competitions (FITA only gives individual for that year, and Wallechinsky only has the top 8), that would be very helpful. -- Jonel 19:19, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. Is any of the material such as from olympic.org protected? Lotsofissues


 * Well, all of my sources are copyrighted. However, I am not copy/pasting from any of them.  If you take a look at, say, the 1988 individual results on archery.org and compared that to the WP page, you'll see a huge difference in the presentation.  I am using facts obtained from the sources, not re-using their presentation (which would be a violation of copyright law).  For more information, please see the articles on copyright, especially idea-expression divide. -- Jonel 20:47, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey, just curious to know why we have a top-8 table not a medals table for Cycling at the 2004 Summer Olympics. It would be an interesting piece to put on a sub page, e.g. "Cycling at the 2004 Summer Olympics - Country Performance Comparison" (i'm sure there could be a more snappy title), but to my mind a medals table would be more proper. At any case, cheers for the work being done on this cluster of pages.
 * A.K.A.47 09:31, 20 May 2005 (UTC)


 * My impression of the result of the discussion from Talk:2004 Summer Olympics medal count was that a top eight table was preferred. Because of this, I've been using that (not only on cycling, but other sports as well).  However, I have no personal attachment to it and would not mind having a regular medals table instead.  I would recommend avoiding any more subpages than are absolutely necessary (and I don't think a top eight table would be necessary). -- Jonel 19:48, 20 May 2005 (UTC)


 * The result of this discussion - I should probably read discussion pages every now and again.
 * A.K.A.47 22:24, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Re:RoC Olympic code
unfortunatley I don't know the answer to your question. The IOC website seems to be listing the times the ROC competed as "China" under China/CHN, which is now held by the PRC.--Jiang 07:25, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Soviet Union" vs "USSR" in Olympic articles
Hi. Well, "USSR" is more commonly used in Olympic articles, including all medal tables on the IOC website and here in Wiki. Another argument for the "USSR" is that the IOC country code (URS) is a 3-letters-shortcut for the French URSS which is USSR in English. I am going to make appropriate changes.


 * I don't really have a personal preference. I chose "Soviet Union" because our article for the country is at Soviet Union, but "USSR" is fine with me.  I will use that from here on out. -- Jonel 04:25, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Another proposal: I think, that besides the flag, an image of the NOC symbol should be present (if it can be found). Like Chuq included it for Australia and six or so other countries and like I included it for the USSR Cmapm 20:08, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Excellent idea. As long as one can be found that doesn't present copyright problems, those would be great additions to the pages. -- Jonel 04:25, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Belarus Olympic articles
Based on your user page, you seem to me you are the Olympics guy on here. Well, I was wondering if you were looking for pages like Belarus_at_the_Olympics to be made. I am creating more Belarusian Olympic articles, so just let me know what you think. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * There were a lot more people working on the Olympics articles in August and September... a lot of them seem to have disappeared. The Belarus page looks excellent.  I would love to have a page like that for every NOC.  Please do contribute whatever you can.  Thanks! -- Jonel 14:58, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you regarding bad article & compliment
Thank you for your compliment earlier & for weighing in on Childlike mentality. I knew there'd be debate, but I was hoping it'd be on the work, not on deleting it. (shrugs) Maybe I'll stick to random stub articles till I get a better idea of being "bold" on here. I consider myself "experienced," but not active in the community: I should probably work on that too, and helping clarify things for less experienced users as to things like sock puppets, deletions not-equal ban-requests, etc (it's there, but unless people like you point it out, its hard to find). Cwolfsheep 21:40, 29 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't want to "campaign" for this article, especially since I think I was actually the first one to throw a stink about it, but I think that through working with User:Cwolfsheep, the article has been sufficiently altered (by which I mean pared away of its POV), to warrant a reconsideration of your criticisms (and possibly the speedy removal of the VfD tag). Please review the article, as well as the discussion on the VfD page and on Cwolfsheep's user and talk pages in the process.  Tomer TALK  23:23, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

List of colonial governors in 2005
I just copied the info from List of colonial governors in 2004 to List of colonial governors in 2005 but haven't verified or updated any of the information (except I removed a 2005 leader that had creeped into the 2004 list -- see page history). Would you like to work on the new page? (Rhetorical question.) - dcljr (talk) 20:19, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin
Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:29, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Lee harvey oswald
Speedy delete of a arty generally implies the heading becomes 'red' -- since you redirected it, wouldn't it make sense to strike through the heading on Vfd? [[User:fabartus || TalktoMe]] 01:32, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that I feared that I'd omited right after saving and clicking back - 'Lee harvey oswald . Apologies for the incompetence!  [[User:fabartus || TalktoMe]] 02:24, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

dah-Oh! Wasn't critcizing - even if it may have seemed that way -- thought you might have forgot to dot an eye or cross a tee. [[User:fabartus || TalktoMe]] 03:04, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Olympic athletes
Hi!

Most of my info gomes from the internet, but I have some Olympics books also. It's good to see that somebody besides me is filling the red links in Olympic medalists in athletics (men).

Gh (talk)]] 18:39, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

About Wiesner, check those great sites:

http://www.hdw.be/

http://olympic.w.interia.pl/

Other sites I use are

http://trackfield.brinkster.net/

http://www.gbrathletics.com/

http://www.britishathletics.info

And there are couple of more minor sites.

And then google searches.

Gh (talk)]] 15:44, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

also check this hungarian site, lists all the hungarian medal winner at the olympics.

http://www.sportmuzeum.hu/kiallitasok/nyari_olimpiak/nyari_olimpiak_01.html

Gh (talk)]] 15:54, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Tim Smith VfD
While I respect your reasons for voting to keep this article, I would note that I have been unable to find anything on Google that verifies that the subject of the article was ever actually on the ballot for the position for which the article claims him to have been a candidate, nor that he received even a single vote. I note also that the website linked from the article says "Tim Smith for Governor". -- BD2412 talk 03:10, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)
 * I've suggested the following criteria on the VfD - that a losing candidate is notable by their candidacy alone (as opposed to some wacky thing they said or did) if the number of votes they received has some legal significance (in many districts, a minor-party candidate who gets more than 5% of the vote assures their party an automatic slot on the ballot for the next cycle), or if their presence on the ballot actually influences the outcome of the election (in the sense of Ralph Nader in 2000). -- BD2412 talk 03:51, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

Barnstar
Solid editing in many, many sports-related articles. I'm impressed. This award is well deserved! Congrats! Regards, Redux 18:31, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What you said
And poof. You go! Mothperson 00:15, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Spotty - I'm almost getting fond of him. Mothperson 00:49, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've sort of quoted you on my user page, by name. Hope you don't mind. If you do, let me know. --Mothperson 3 July 2005 13:38 (UTC)

CA Assemblymen
Yes, I just noticed what I did. But I do like the job I did on my page better than the one that is active right now :-). Do you think we should/could replace the existing one with what I have? If so, how would you go about doing that?

Thanks Cmdrbond 05:07, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply, I merged the 2 pages together but after clicking edit on one section, it seems to have messed up the section right after it. How do I fix that? the colours seem to be stretched. Also, how do I do that link manipulation you were talking about? The first person, Patty Berg, is also a golfer and the golfer's website is showing instead of the assemblywoman's Cmdrbond 05:21, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, now the page looks good. So should I delete the original article that got me into this trouble and if so, how do I go about doing that? Cmdrbond 05:40, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

stubs
Please use {sport-bio-stub} for your articles --MarSch 1 July 2005 18:09 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I use for the stub articles on Olympians that I create because that's the easiest category to use to find those articles when I get my hands on biographical information about those people.  Therefore, using it gives a greater likelihood of the stub being expanded. -- Jonel | Speak 2 July 2005 01:22 (UTC)


 * That is perfect. I was referring to articles that you didn't stub. --MarSch 2 July 2005 11:10 (UTC)

Stockport cricket club
Hi Jonel. I have brought this one to WP:VFU. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:46, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Aldermarston
is clearly marked - Do not use this template yet. I will get into trouble from Grutness if people use it. And the place is Aldermaston anyway. -- RHaworth 07:39:13, 2005-07-28 (UTC)


 * Terribly sorry, I just picked what seemed the most accurate and descriptive place to put in the general form X-geo-stub without looking at the stub message or doing any research into the place. It was just a special:newpages click which I felt would benefit from my 2 seconds changing the generic stub message to something more useful (and while the stub message I picked might be deprecated, it did have the beneficial effect of having someone who knows a great deal more than myself about the subject notice the page and realize it was a misspelling).  Sorry if I've caused any problems between you and Grutness, and I will remember to use uk-geo-stub if I run across any more stubs that should be categorized as such. -- Jonel | Speak 15:07, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Now you make me feel (a bit) guilty. I now find that Grutness has published template:England-geo-stub as being available - see Category:England geography stubs. So go ahead and use it. It is that much more specific than UK-geo-stub and until there is a complete set of stub categories for England counties, it is the best to use. Apologies for confusing you. -- RHaworth 17:48:28, 2005-07-28 (UTC)
 * My fault. I set England-geo-stub back the way it was to be usable again, but forgot to announce that it could be used. I was counting all the UK geo-stubs to see what counties had enough stubs to be split off into separate categories, and didn't want to have to keep updating my tally with new stubs appearing in two different places. Since I've now finished the initial tally it's fine to use England-geo-stub again. Grutness...  wha?  08:15, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Triathlon at the 2004 Summer Olympics
I think it's great that you've added entries for all the competitors. However, I wish you had categorized the triathletes by Sportspeople by nationality. Is it possible to ask you to categorize them this way also? (if this message doesn't make sense, let me know) Punkmorten 23:45, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Tecmo Cup Football Game
VERY VERY SORRY about the revert. I did have an issue with one of your changes, but it never dawned on me to discuss it first. So I'll discuss them here; "the Captain Tsubasa series of games"
 * "the Captain Tsubasa series and games" --->

Captain Tsubasa was an anime series which has been turned into video games, and Tecmo Cup Football Game resembles both the anime series and the video games. So I think the and is more appropriate. After another read of the changes you have made, I have realized that they do indeed increase the quality of the article. I know now that you have worked really hard on these changes and I just reverted them all. Again, VERY VERY SORRY. I'm going to be bold and change the point discussed above, but that's it. Thank you very much. LordViD 04:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

thanks for the answer
.. about the olympic games - i had a look to see whether i could fit that info in to the article, but it ended up sounding more confusing than the status quo! - thanks very much for the answer though! cheers, Petesmiles 12:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)