User talk:Jonnok

Ted Bundy
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that you added (and re-added) some details to the Bundy article without providing sources for them. Anything added to an article must include a citation from a reliable source. In addition, these are details that are not particularly relevant to the overall article, and we've already had complaints that the article is too detailed. If you disagree, and think this material belongs in the article, please start a discussion on the article talk page before adding it again. If you have any questions about content or sourcing, feel free to leave a message here, or on my talk page. Cheers, DoctorJoeE  review transgressions/ talk to me!  18:03, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Not to pile on, but some of your edits do too much at once, in the sense that it's impossible to tell exactly what you're adding or changing. Please make small, focused edits wherever possible. But DoctorJoeE's points above are valid as well.  E Eng  18:06, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi.
Here are the reliable sources:

Running and catching a thief in Northgate + assitant director title = http://kuow.org/post/creepy-story-about-ted-bundy-anyone-knew-he-was-killing-women

Seattle Police commendation = https://books.google.co.za/books?id=Ipvh76CryVoC&pg=PA156&lpg=PA156&dq=ted+bundy+commendation+seattle+police+department&source=bl&ots=-hR_2HPb49&sig=ChoGGnx8VB71BhygSTOsdoxQ8-o&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihl6uouOjTAhWHAMAKHWlmDmcQ6AEIIzAA#v=onepage&q=ted%20bundy%20commendation%20seattle%20police%20department&f=false

Mail that Bundy received in prison = http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10665003/Murderous-love-Why-are-so-many-women-aroused-by-serial-killers.html

I am very disappointed that you have completely removed my honest edits as they have been taking me the last 2 hours to properly write. I didnt know there was such a thing as an article thats "too detailed" if one is trying to study the subject as best they can.

Saving boy from drowning = http://curiouslystrangehorror.tumblr.com/post/116702683560/ted-bundy-saved-a-child-from-drowning-out-of-all

James Dobson first communicated with Bundy in December 1986 (he said so himself) = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBl_n-h9UyM


 * We're not trying to discourage you, but there are certain ways things have to be done (and unfortunately the rules are complicated). The Telegraph is a reliable source, in general. The KUOW site is probably a reliable source as well. However, for a topic like this, where there are detailed, very high-quality sources -- several book-length treatments -- available, those are preferred. I think you can add these details, citing these sources, and they can stay provisionally subject to someone eventually checking the more detailed sources. Please make each change/addition in an individual edit. If you're not sure how to cite the source, just put it in parentheses right after the new information, and I'll recast it into the form we want in articles.


 * True-crime books of the kind seen in your second link are not reliable (though unfortunately you see them in a lot of crime articles), and I'd ask you to omit that detail unless you can find it somewhere else. (The general outline of the story is probably correct, but these kinds of sources often contain errors or embellishments, so it's best to just stay away from them.)


 * The youtube video is what we call a primary source, and not usually usable in articles -- we can't take what Bundy says at face value. See WP:PRIMARY. Tumblr is never, ever, ever, ever, ever a reliable source.  E Eng  18:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I hope this helps. You'll quickly find your way around.  E Eng  18:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi
Yes I understand, but you seem to have completely removed my edits as I cant find them anywhere on this site so its going to be difficult for me to start all over again and by doing so take another couple of hours of time. Its a pity you cant at least keep or re-send the edited page back to just me at least, as that would make it alot easier to re-do everything with all the verifications you require... Do you not have a policy to verify someone else's edits on their behalf before you delete them completely?


 * To the rescue! Go back to the article, and at the top click View history. You'll see all the edits listed. Next to each of your edits, click the prev link to see what you did in that edit. (These are called "diffs", and prev means "difference between this version and the previous one"). You'll see that some of them are kind of complicated, because you were trying to do too much at once, which is what I was talking about above.


 * Anyway, you could use those diffs as reminder of what you did before as you reinstall your changes, but please take into account our comments above. Why don't you do just one to start with -- maybe the one from the Telegraph?  E Eng  19:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC)