User talk:JonnyStatic

November 2020
Hello. Your recent edit to Exhibition drill appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. Meters (talk) 01:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please stop doing this. We don't list non-notable entries in lists. See WP:WTAF. Mere existence is not evidence of notability. Meters (talk) 02:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The lack of an outside reference was mentioned as a reason the section was originally moved. Outside references were added to show each team's accomplishments and history. No where on the resources given does Wikipedia say individual articles are required for said lists, but indeed the notability guidelines state that the guidelines do not limit the content of a list. From the notability page, "notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article.", not whether they should be included in a list in article. Further, the Lists of People section states lists within articles, such as this one, "must have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines". This is shown by the outside references confirming the history and stated facts provided. JonnyStatic
 * The norm for included lists is usually that such lists only include notable entries, to prevent the list from becoming a coatrack directory. Again, see WP:WTAF. I mentioned my removal on the article's talk page. The section is intended to include only notable teams,as is show by the header, which includes "notable", and you know that because you attempted to remove it. The article's ta;k page is the place to discus this Meters (talk) 02:58, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The word Notable was only added into the section title within the last month, even though the section has existed for years. As I'm sure you can tell, the page has clearly been the target of trolls and I'm assuming it was an attempt to curb them, which it apparently did not. The removal of "notable" is only returning it to its original state while adding sources. JonnyStatic
 * Fair enough. I wasn't aware that that was recent addition; my first edit to this article was just a few days ago after some vandalism. Thanks for pointing it out.
 * "Notable" in descriptions of lists is usually redundant in any case, since we only rarely have lists which do include non-notable entries. Those cases are generally where we are attempting to make an all-inclusive list of a limited number of members of a well-defined group. Examples would be a list of characters or cast members in a particular movie or show, or of episodes of a given TV show (e.g., The Quon Dynasty, which has both a cast list and an episode list, neither of which has any notable entries). Those are finite (and short) lists where it makes sense to include all of the entries regardless of individual notability. The lists included in Exhibition drill could potentially have hundreds or even thousands of entries if we don't restrict them to notable entries. Meters (talk) 04:58, 13 November 2020 (UTC)