User talk:Jonto

Zealotry
You ought to get in touch with User: 64.109.253.204. This anonymous user has very strong opinions about my edits.

Lapsed Pacifist 21:05, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Cut and paste moves
As regards Irish Republican Army:

Please do not attempt to move pages by cutting and pasting content. This forks the edit histories of pages, thus breaking the edit attribution needed under the GFDL, not to mention making it harder to see how the article evolved generally.

Use the "move" tab above the article to move the entire article (including edit history) to a new location.

For the time being I have restored the original content at Irish Republican Army. Should you wish to move it to the location you previously chose, I can delete the pasted article for you first (pages can only be moved to an "empty" location).

zoney ♣ talk 14:02, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I have deleted Irish Republican Army (1916-1919), so should you wish, you can move the Irish Republican Army page there (although I would suggest putting a notice on talk page and waiting a few days to see what others think). zoney &#09827; talk 14:04, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I was not aware I could do that.Jonto 13:51, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Ulster Banner
I'm still somewhat unhappy about this. How widespread is the term "Ulster Banner" for the Northern Ireland flag? It's certainly a POV term for a flag associated with (note, not representing) the six counties only, and not all of Ulster. I would be prepared to accept that it is termed the Ulster Banner if there are sources, but I'm still not sure it's proper to refer to it as such (and certainly without explaining the problem with the term) here on Wikipedia.

zoney ♣ talk 17:23, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * As said, "Ulster banner" is the flag's official name, as sourced from the Flags of the World site on that page. From experience the term is not used that often - the most common term being "Ulster Flag", so I don't see how removing it is going to make any difference. From the article's title of "Flag of Northern Ireland, so I don't think you can get any clearer than that. I think it is also explained pretty well.


 * I also think it is a matter of debate as to whether "Ulster" in an article on NI is a "POV" term as you put it (this is actually your POV!!). This is a very complex issue because the word is used in many contexts - cultural, political, geographical, historical, sporting, as an identity, and often mainly because "Ulster" is 2 syllables and "Northern Ireland" is 4 syllables! Depending on your POV and context Ulster has 9 counties, 6 counties, or perhaps most significantly and accurately is a cultural region with no exact boundary. There is a distinct Ulster/Ulster-Scot identity in NI (and also in some areas in the Republic, mainly Donegal where many people have an almost identical accent and a close relationship to those in NI), of which the existence of Northern Ireland plays a crucial role in upholding this identity. Therefore, to supress such information is actually causing offence to many Ulstermen and Ulsterwomen. I think this issue of Ulster identity and the cultural region does not seem to be mentioned on wikipedia, and the Ulster article actually needs some work to bring it up to scratch.Jonto 23:54, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

You may want to take a glance at Irish Republican Army. A user wants to blur the line between the Old IRA and later IRAs and is annoyed that, as a professional historian, I am trying to point out the fact that post 1922 IRAs did not have the same legitimacy in the public's eyes as the IRA of the Anglo-Irish War. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 21:35, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Question for you...
Hey Jonto, we discussed previously on the Derry/Londonderry vote. It's a bit naughty of me but I'm assuming where you are coming from politically and geographically and as such I was hoping you would have some knowledge of the breaking of the boom in "Stroke_City". I was hoping to add something to the article on River Foyle. A lifetime ago I did a project at school using materials from the Linenhall library, but I'm now half way round the world and don't really know where to start... I added the suicide info on the Foyle at that article, but would dearly love to add more information to the article to balance it out a bit. Interested? BTW if you are in the north it would be good to get a vandalised sign photo for the stroke city article... SeanMack 12:52, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Northern Ireland
Fair enough, I was reverting other vandalism by that user and I may have been a bit hasty. Demiurge 19:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No problemo. Jonto 19:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Scouts UK Counties
I see you have added the Flag again. User:The Tom removed it because it might be seen as POV and argumentative. I've no fixed views. I just wish someone would add the English Scout Counties or, as I would prefer,, change the whole thing to a more workable number of regions - workable in terms of having articles on Scouting for each link. Let us see if it stays. If it gets reverted again, I will suggest to the WikiProject Scouting that all flags be removed from the template. --Bduke 21:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * User The_Tom removed the image from many templates, despite not fully understanding al the issues at hand - I simply restored to all.


 * I have no problems with you removing all the flags from this particular template.Jonto 22:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

NI
Hi Jonto. Left a message for you on my talk page. Cheers. --Mal 20:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Ulster
Good call on your revert for the Ulster disambig page. The previous edit was POV. "Often called" is fine in my books. --Mal 00:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Awww poor little 'Jonto' has been rumbled. Dismiss us as 'Irish Republicans'? I'm sure as hell Irish - prove that I'm a 'Republican'.. Tír Eoghain abú

Your notes
Thanks for your notes, had I been awake when you posted them I probably would have restored some or all of your posts. I'd still advise you to tone down your criticism of Jtdirl unless you want to take formal steps against him, viz. RfC, RfAr. That kind of "ROUGE ADMIN!!!" stuff regardless of Truth or not just turns people off. Regards, - FrancisTyers · 11:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Belfast WikiProject
Seeing your reply on the Northern Ireland talk page reminded me that you're from Belfast, aren't you? Anyway - here's a standard circular I've been sending to people who have listed themselves as Northern Irish Wikipedians, or people who have made decent contributions to Belfast-related articles:

As you have contributed to an article relating to Belfast, I hope you could take some time to read this page about our new project: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Belfast.

Thanks. --Mal 01:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Ulster flag
I've corrected the hand in Image:Flag of Ulster.svg, please let me know if there's something else that need to be fixed. Conscious 15:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey,

You might want to look at talk:Prime minister. The page was moved to the illiterate form Prime minister by a vote of 3 people. A new RM is taking place but the illiterates seem to be queuing to endorse such a crazy move. Feel free to contribute to the debate. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 03:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Northern Ireland mediation
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee. It doesn't list you as a party, but you may wish to add yourself. Please review the request at Requests for mediation/Northern Ireland and, if you wish, add you name and indicate that you agree to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 18:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

"Irish Border"
Hi, I have reverted your edit, as you introduced material about the UK's own internal land frontiers that are not relevant. The wording: "The only land frontier between Ireland and the United Kingdom" is correct. All the best, bigpad 15:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: flags
I will look into the matter, and history of the argument tommorow evening. For now, I will leave the page protected to give everybody involved time to calm down. Joe D (t) 23:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:NPA
I find yet again you are engaging in personal attacks against other editors, "a lot of editors who are blatantly distorting articles with a pro-Irish Republican PoV ino many articles keep coming running to your talk page", as it is perfectly obvious who you are referring to. So far you have received 3 blocks for personal attacks. If you persist in this, you are going to get blocked again. I suggest you refrain from negative comments about other editors. Tyrenius 07:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Whilst I agree that in the past I have made personal attacks towards users that have been involved in disruptive vandalism, the quote you gave is criticising the disruptive actions of certain users, in no way breaches WP:NPA, and I would happily repeat the commment above. Jonto 19:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Flags
I'am not concerned about your removal of the Tricolour, but can you explain the rest of your edit where you are removing referenced material and the reference as well, this could be regarded as vandalism, so I am asking you in good faith to restore this information.--padraig3uk

Speedy deletion of Template:User Earth2
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Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:User United Kingdom2
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WikiProject Northern Ireland
Hi,

I'd like to take the opportunity to advise you on two matters which, being a member or former member of the Northern Ireland WikiProject or it's sister project on Belfast, you might be interested in the following submission about a recent terrorist attack Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to ask for your help in reviving the Northern Ireland WikiProject. Given that there are only a small number of Wikipedians from Northern Ireland or interested specifically in the region, the project needs all the help it can get.

Cheers, --Setanta747 (talk) 13:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

December 2008
Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. BigDunc Talk 23:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Apologies - my deletion was accidental! Jonto (talk) 23:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Ireland naming question
You are receiving this message because you have previously posted at a Ireland naming related discussion. Per Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names, a procedure has been developed at WikiProject Ireland Collaboration, and the project is now taking statements. Before creating or replying to a statement please consider the statement process, the problems and current statements. GnevinAWB (talk) 18:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Flag of Northern Ireland
Per The Troubles arbitration case, this article is under 1RR probation. Please note that any further reverts will result in a block. I have also informed User:MusicInTheHouse of this. Thanks, Black Kite 20:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem - will wait. It would, however, be useful if we could get some involvement in debates from parties who are non-aligned with Northern Ireland issues - I am sick of only being able to debate with people who plaster their homepages with Irish Nationalist regalia. Jonto (talk) 22:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Blocked
Since you have previously been warned per The Troubles Arbitration for edit-warring on Flag of Northern Ireland - here - and have resumed this behaviour, I have blocked you.

in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text  below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.
 * Please kindly get lost - I did not break any revert rule. The fact is that Wikipedia is widely inaccurate on many NI articles, and people like myself are attempting to improve it, but any edits that I even attempt to perform are instantly reverted without discussion by a core group of editors (often with their talk pages plastered in Irish nationalist regalia). Trying to denounce challenging inaccurate information as "edit warring" is simply preposterous. People like you are the ones that are driving editors away from Wikipedia, and only contributing to the resulting mess that it is becoming. Jonto (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

NFCC9 and Talk:Flag of Northern Ireland
Per this revert, please read WP:NFCC. If you restore that image to display in the talk page again, you will be blocked. MickMacNee (talk) 18:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Apologies - I was not aware of this policy. I would, however, appreciate if you could use a less threatening tone with the whole "blocking" thing. I do, however, think that showing the full image on the talk page really adds more to the discussion, and that such a policy seems rather daft to me. Jonto (talk) 01:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a threat, had you reverted once more after being told twice, you would have been blocked, that is a simple fact. I would have been nicer had you not forced me to do the same thing twice, and just asked if you didn't understand my first explanation. The policy is there for an extremely good reason. MickMacNee (talk) 01:42, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

December 2014
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for disrupting collaboration, as you did at Cultural Marxism. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Shii (tock) 01:06, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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ArbCom elections are now open!
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May 2016
Please don't make any more comments like this one. It is possible to disagree with others without issuing personal attacks. --John (talk) 14:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I fail to see anything personal nor insulting there. I think you need to stop treating people here like little thin-skinned children Jonto (talk) 19:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

The material on the Queen's Birthday has been disputed by several editors. The process is that you now seek agreement on the talk page. If you tag team with Miles to re-inserti the material without agreement on the talk page I will request your behaviour is examined via enforcement of arbitration committee sanctions on Troubles Articles. Snowded TALK 10:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Good for you. I'm sure your life is very exciting if that's what your plan is. What you call "tag teaming" I call collaboration. You do not dictate the content here. Jonto (talk) 19:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

You have been mentioned...
...in a discussion here. Miles Creagh (talk) 22:09, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Indenting
I had to fix your post, per WP:INDENT -- GoodDay (talk) 14:35, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Blocked again
You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. Hi Jonto. I am disappointed that you failed to follow my advice regarding personal attacks. This edit is the wrong side of the line when you have been blocked before, been recently warned, and are aware you are editing in a delicate area which is the subject of ArbCom discretionary sanctions. I'd also note that I find this a bit concerning; if you are not in agreement with our fundamental goals or methodology, maybe you should reconsider your involvement here. You have 48 hours to reconsider your tone and your strategy. Depending on your future behaviour, I may recommend a topic ban as well. What are your feelings on the matter? --John (talk) 16:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I find that rather obnoxious. I do not appreciate the threats made to me by users like and Snowded and yourself -- unlike you, I have not threatened or harassed anyone. I have every right to be involved as anything else. I find it pathetic I am not allowed dismiss threats or to criticise Wikipedia. I feel other admins need to give you a block for your harassment. Jonto (talk) 16:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

1rr restrictions on all articles relevant to Northern Ireland Flags
Per The Troubles arbitration case, all articles that contain information about the Northern Ireland Flag, are also under restrictions. Please note that other disruptive or inflammatory behaviour could also result in a block. I'm sending you this so that you can be helped to not inadvertently step over the line in some of the discussions or edits that you do, though it is, of course, up to you what you do. I will be endeavouring to warn others who I discover have been contributing to articles that contain contentious material about any Northern Ireland flag. I would rather not see anyone have action taken against them. It is far better to edit within the restrictions and with others than against others. DDStretch   (talk)  16:00, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

One week block
You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. I noticed this. I have blocked for one week. Please do not ever again make a discussion personal like this, especially in a charged topic like the Troubles. If you ever do anything like this again the next block will probably have to be be indefinite. Please use this time to consider carefully what you are doing and how you are doing it. Something has to change if you wish to continue editing here. --John (talk) 20:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

 Your ability to edit this talk page has been revoked as an administrator has identified your talk page edits as inappropriate and/or disruptive. ([ block log] • [ active blocks] • [ global blocks] • [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/autoblock/?user=&project=en.wikipedia.org autoblocks] • contribs • deleted contribs • [ abuse filter log] • [ • change block settings • [ unblock] • [ checkuser] ([ log]))

If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you should read the guide to appealing blocks, then contact administrators by submitting a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System. If the block is a CheckUser or Oversight block, was made by the Arbitration Committee or to enforce an arbitration decision (arbitration enforcement), or is unsuitable for public discussion, you should appeal to the Arbitration Committee. Please note that there could be appeals to the unblock ticket request system that have been declined leading to the post of this notice.

I will let a fourth admin review your request. Two things meantime; have you read WP:GAB? Might be worth a look before posting any more unblock requests. If you continue to post poorly written ones diplaying no insight into why your block was made, you will likely have your talk page access revoked. And, if you want me to look at another editor's conduct, you will have to show evidence. Can you show an instance of Snowded's "constant personal attacks and threats"? If you can I will definitely have a look. --John (talk) 15:26, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

The Siege of Londonderry
Jonto, You are an experienced editor. This edit here has been amended from an earlier one which contained some verbatim sentences. That isn't allowed, perhaps rightly so. I've been advised to get advice from an experienced editor before inserting my revision. See my talk page for more details. What do you think of this? Would it strike the correct balance between keeping exactly to original sources and not violating plagiarism? The source in question is Macaulay, listed in the main article. The purpose of this edit is to fill the gap relating to the starvation in the city which is a notorious part of the story.

''Meanwhile a relief expedition under the command of Colonel Percy Kirke set sail from Liverpool on 22nd May. On 15th June, by which stage horseflesh was the only meat available to be purchased, and even then in scarce supply, hope appeared on the horizon for the citizens besieged within the walls of the city. Sails were spotted nine miles off at the entrance to Lough Foyle. There were thirty vessels in all. A secret message from the fleet got past the Irish sentinels and through to the city informing the besieged that Colonel Kirke had arrived from England with an army and some supplies. But this early hope soon gave way to six more weeks of misery. Kirke thought it would be unsafe to try and break the lines of the besieging army and he continued to wait inactive. By late July, famine and disease had reduced the population in the city more so than had been done by enemy fire. Those few who could afford it purchased dogs that had been fattened on the blood of the slain. A puppy's paw cost five shillings and sixpence. People hunted and ate rats, and all this time the relief ships could be seen inactive in the distance. Towards the end of July, a dispatch was sent to Colonel Kirke from England ordering him to relieve the city. On 30 July, two armed merchant ships, Mountjoy and Phoenix, sailed toward the defensive boom (floating barrier) across the River Foyle at Culmore fort, protected by the frigate HMS Dartmouth under Captain John Leake. Mountjoy rammed and broke the boom, and the rest of the ships followed behind and sailed to the city. Many tons of food were unloaded and the siege was relieved although it wasn't until the 31st July that the besiegers guns fell silent.[1] ''

Is it OK? Centuryofconfusion (talk) 18:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Flag of Northern Ireland is covered by discretionary sanctions under the WP:TROUBLES case
EdJohnston (talk) 17:39, 8 June 2016 (UTC)