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Walter R. Booth animation
Hi Joortje1, thanks for contacting me about this. I agree that the conflagration of hand-drawn techniques and The Hand of the Artist in the intro to the Walter R. Booth page was misleading and have rephrased it accordingly. However, as the categorisation of The Hand of the Artist as an animation seems to be the consensus in the sources and its description as the first British animated film is commonly referenced, this information does need to be included. On a personal note, I couldn't say if I would classify it as an animated film or not as it seems unclear to me from multiple viewings of the extracts available on YouTube whether the stop-action used in these is a simple stop-trick or stop-motion animation, or indeed what happens in the full film. Anyway, see what you think of the changes I've made. Mutt (talk) 11:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Printed animation
Hello Joortje1, it's nice that you added a section on "printed animation" in the "History of Animation" entry; however, the information between note 36 and note 37 certainly doesn't come from the Japanese version of my "Nipper" research note, but from "Litten 2014" (http://litten.de/fulltext/color.pdf) which you refer to in note 43, but which isn't listed in the bibliography. Of course, these days one should refer to my book "Animated Film in Japan until 1919" (ISBN: 978-3-7448-3052-2; see also http://litten.de/abstrtoc/abstr6.htm). Also, note 36 no longer contains information on kinematographs, even though the 1897 date likely was correct. (At least, I know the source that website's owner used here, and also used it myself.) Finally, I find it a bit strange that you use a conference proceedings volume in note 40, with an author who claims that "Katsudô shashin" was hand-painted, as a reference here. Why not cite Mr Matsumoto's hypothesis directly, or refer to "Litten 2014" or my new book? (I won't go into the question whether Anime News Network should be regarded as a useful, to say nothing of reliable, source in this context.) Regards F. S. Litten 2003:EC:93D4:27B7:945:3A8D:6B9:2BE3 (talk) 16:20, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Something missing in Johann Georg Schröpfer
In the Death section there is this line, "He reportedly bid farewell to his youngest child in the sweetest way, put his purse and gold watch into his wife's bag and [missing word]." Can you tell what the missing word is? Banedon (talk) 05:03, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

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Muybridge
I disagree with you re. the Muygridge name - see my comments in the edit I made. He is known as Muybridge in almost all literature, so why insist on another spelling? The name changes are mentioned clearly enough in the article. Regards, --Janke | Talk 19:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * PS: Some 12 years ago, I made a 17-minute documentary about Muybridge for Finnish TV. Please contact me if you want to see it. --Janke | Talk 19:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * PPS: The scratches & flashes seen in the shots of Muybridge is an intentional attempt to make the film look old, actually, "filmed before cinematography was invented"... Also see the comments on the YouTube page. --Janke | Talk 20:43, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, your video had quite nice quality frames of the horses! I did have problems finding good quality materials for my own efforts. Wikipedia was, of course, a big help even back then, in 2007. --Janke | Talk 10:32, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for pointing this out. From the beginning I tried to avoid bias and especially chose to work with contemporary sources to avoid the sentiments of Muybridge's biographers (since I shared some of those) and to better stick with the facts. However, I made the mistake of trying to counterbalance the bias that I perceived in the sources, and at times my writing must have shown my surprise about the archaic jurisdiction (also foreign to me) and the press opinions that I came across. I found and used more contemporary reports that provided more balance, and I believe I removed all content that reflected my surprise and my opinions. Would you mind having a short look to see if you can still find faults? I hope I've been able to paraphrase the sources (which, of course, at times used archaic language) neutrally and efficient. Thanks.Joortje1 (talk) 06:25, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , It doesn't have anything to do with whether the sources are contemporary or not. The problem is the informal tone. It reads more like a news article an encyclopedic. I would trim it down a lot and focus on the actual impact of the case instead of every little detail about the case itself, if that makes sense. If it had looked like it does now, it would never have been approved out of AfC. Sulfurboy (talk) 07:10, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Understood and agreed. I got carried away with many details that previously seem to have been misrepresented in biographies and/or seemed interesting for a more narrative essay, but wikipedia is not the platform for those. Thanks for the useful feedback.Joortje1 (talk) 09:12, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , You're fine, I know you made the additions in good faith. Creating wiki pages is a learning experience. Let me know if you need any help. Sulfurboy (talk) 19:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, any suggestions to improve on the current state of the article are welcome. I believe your previous suggestions helped a lot (yes, indeed, I believe I learned from them). Recognition of improvements may also be helpful. Although I may have reached my limits of what I want to put into this one (for the moment), please, don't be shy to provide anymore feedback that may seem negative. Cheers!Joortje1 (talk) 20:18, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , There's still way too much fluff, WP:OR and opinions. I just skimmed it and saw plenty of problematic things such as lines like "Muybridge's attorneys intended to prove that Larkyns had been a man of bad character and deserved his fate" or "There was much interest in the case and public generally sympathized with Muybridge. Among the many spectators were numerous friends of Muybridge, as well as people who wished to see Larkyns' name cleared and the murderer punished" which isn't supported at all by the reference and even if it was is just sensationalism reporting and not encyclopedic. The focus of the article should be the legacy of it and its impact, that's what makes it notable, not intricate details and opinionated views of every little detail of the trial. Sulfurboy (talk) 22:43, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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Holography page
Hi Joortje1

I agree with your comments on the introduction to the Holography page, so I have written a new version for which I would welcome your comments/amendments etc. It is on my sandbox Epzcaw (talk) 11:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I've replied to your comment on my talk page. Cheers,  Epzcaw (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I've replied to your further comment. Epzcaw (talk) 11:55, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Missing cites in People v. Muybridge
The article cites "Brookman 2010" and "Solnit 2003" but no such sources are listed in bibliography. Can you please add? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: User:Svick/HarvErrors.js to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata (talk) 06:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Louis le Prince page
Hi Joortjel1. You're correct, I did remove it because it seemed far to finicky a point to have in the opening section, which is what is shown in Google searches. But it is worth saying that nobody really called him Louis, so I have now put the information in the section about his childhood, which was previously named "Father and Mother", and added the citation. Earlyfilmhistory (talk) 08:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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Firsts in animation
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Referencing errors introduced - Animal Locomotion
Hello Joortje1, I appreciate the improvements you made to Animal Locomotion, however one of your edits introduced referencing errors. I've spent some time trying to figure out which of your edits caused these errors, and rather than rollback all of your edits, I'm reaching out to see if you are able to fix them. After your edits, there are two "hanging footnotes" - footnotes 1 & 2 - right at the top of the article before the very first sentence. Could you please fix these and place them where they should go? Also the paragraph you added to the History section needs a citation. Rather than tag it, I thought I'd ask you to add the citation since you would know what text you are referencing to that specific content. I have no idea where it came from, otherwise I'd add it. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 14:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello Netherzone, thanks for your concern. I hadn't really finished working on the page and will see what more I can do, but I hope most of it has been fixed by now. The AnomieBOT rescued the orphaned refs. I checked one of those to be sure and it seemed different than the one I checked before I removed it from the lead. This one actually says that over 100,000 pictures had been produced and I suppose the University source is quite reliable (I would sure like to learn more about the 80,000 unknown pictures). I don't believe it was very clear in the statements on the Wikipedia article that this was the amount of pictures before a selection was made, so I interpreted this as the amount of published pictures (the 20,000+ images that Muybridge mentioned in the prospectus/catalogue, the ref that I used).
 * I'm not sure whether I can find proper refs for my paragraph about The Horse in Motion. It basically summarises info that's in the bluelinked article. The career change can be gathered from the page on Eadweard Muybridge and probably from any of his biographies. It might be hard to find it spelled out on just one page, but imho it doesn't seem like info that would be contested. Joortje1 (talk) 17:04, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Joortje1, thank you for your quick reply! The strange reference error fragments are still on the article. Right below this line at the top of the page: For the article on animal behavior, see Animal locomotion. I'd fix it myself but can't figure out which of your edits introduced the error. And thanks for explaining the source for The Horse in Motion. I'll see if I can find a source for that paragraph, and I agree with you it's not a big deal. Netherzone (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry, I seem to have confused that comment with other troubles on the page, but fixed it just now. Joortje1 (talk) 18:09, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Joortje1! Netherzone (talk) 18:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

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The Horse in Motion
Hi, I hope you're not offended by my adding of a couple of sources to the Horse in Motion article. My aim is to lessen confusion - although the title is The Horse in Motion, a lot of sources, albeit erroneously, have in the past and continue to call the series Sallie Gardner at a Gallop. That's actually how I first became aware of it years ago, and I only learned later that the real name was The Horse in Motion. I also think a short paragraph in the body should be added regarding the mis-naming, if we could find a source that addresses that, to explain it more thoroughly. Thanks! Wes sideman (talk) 13:31, 14 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The article was actually called "Sallie Gardner at a Gallop" a few years back. Even then it described the whole series, so I had it "moved" (renamed).
 * I don't think your sources (or any other) refer to the complete series of cards when they mention "Sallie Gardner at a Gallop" It seems like the authors just saw a modern (gif) animation with that title, and believed that it was "the first animated use of photographs" or even "one of the first motion pictures ever recorded". I suppose the article already clarifies that the "Sallie Gardner" card was not the first of the series, nor the most important one.
 * I usually prefer not to pay much attention to the mass of oft-repeated nonsense about Muybridge, and in general I tend to just replace incorrect views with more accurate and better sourced information (it's just so negative and boring to explicitly point out other people's mistakes).
 * Nonetheless, in this case, it might actually be worthwhile to refer to the mis-named title in the lead. Personally, I'd write something like:
 * "One of the cards (often retitled "Sallie Gardner at a Gallop")[insert your cited sources] has even been hailed as "the world's first bit of cinema", [] although Muybridge did project painted images rather than photographs (with his Zoopraxiscope, from 1880 to 1895) and his technique was no more advanced than that of demonstrations by Franz von Uchatius in 1853.[]"
 * (to be placed in the article lead right after "It formed an important step in the development of motion pictures.")
 * Shall I put it in the article like this, or would you like to have a go?
 * One more thing: the formatting of your citations seems to be corrupt. Could you please correct them? Joortje1 (talk) 17:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I think your addition does a pretty good job of explaining that whole mess. Thanks. Wes sideman (talk) 17:07, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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December 2023 - edit warring
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * Maybe you have confused users when looking at the last few edits for Historicity of Jesus?
 * Ramos1990 undid my contribution to the page. I reverted that once and tused that edit summary to point out that objections should be discussed on the talk page. Apparently the implicit message not to start an edit war was lost on Ramos1990, because she deleted my contribution again.
 * So who exactly is the one who is "repeatedly changing content back"? And why are you addressing only one person if you think people are edit warring? Joortje1 (talk) 06:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Policies apply to you as well, in this case WP:BRD. If a user revert your contribution, you are not supposed to add it back before consensus has been reached to add it. Jeppiz (talk) 13:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the good advice of the optional strategy of wp:brd. Hardly a policy, but I think I'll try to follow the suggestions nonetheless.
 * Could you in turn maybe have a look at wp:lawyering, wp:gaming and maybe even wp:harassment, and see if you could at least be less partial if you think people aren't following policies? Joortje1 (talk) 14:34, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

CS1 error on Historicity of Jesus
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Persistence of Vision
The spinning motor is a better example because you can see it with the naked eye. It spins around 3600 RPM or faster and is easy to see, whereas the screw example is only visible when taken by long-exposure camera.

There is much debate about what is and isn't persistence of vision but much of the community considers it as something you can see with the naked eye.

The spinning motor therefore is more of a persistence of vision than it is lightpainting, because even at 1/60th of a second exposure the spinning motor shows the entire image, so it is not really lightpainting in the sense it is just normal photography and vision.

If we Google search PoV display we get mostly the same thing with spinning motors, not long-exposure lightpaintings;

How to make a POV display with the Arduino | With PCB ... YouTube · SriTu Hobby Jun 21, 2023

Persistence of Vision Explained by Making an LED POV ... YouTube · STEMpedia Mar 29, 2019

How to Make Arduino POV Display with NeoPixel LEDs YouTube · Circuit Digest Apr 21, 2022 Glogger (talk) 16:32, 28 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Regardless of whether you mean the SWIMotor.gif or the Spinning (rotor) LED display, I think the use of "POV" terminology for S.W.I.M. devices is a confusing misnomer for a technique that seems pretty much based on a (sequential) stroboscopic principle, which actually prevents much of the naturally visible sparkler's trail effect that would appear if the rotating lights wouldn't flicker. Apparently, terms like "POV display" are mostly used by amateurs and by commercial parties, rather than in acadamic or otherwise notable literature that would normally be considered a reliable source on wikipedia.
 * Any "debate" on what is or isn't "POV" may have to do with the idea that stroboscopic effects can be explained by referring to examples of "persistence of vision" or flicker fusion. I hope the Persistence of vision article ( mostly based on reliable academic sources) helps to counter this myth, which unfortunately has been told very often in the last 200 years.
 * To me, the screw light painting looks like a useful illustration of the often used example of the glowing coal/sparkler's trail, but it would probably be better if it gets replaced with a picture that would indeed show a variation that can also be seen by the naked eye (with a clear photographed trail of a sparkler or glowing coal perhaps?). Joortje1 (talk) 18:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)