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Bulgarians having nothing to do with the turks!After 5 centureis of slavery the turks were finaly pushed out thanks to the russians-official bulgarian history record!These statements made by the turks are unacceptable and offensive!They are caused by political and geopolitical interest!

Here is the truth! OK, Bulgaria has always been a playground of bigger more economically stable countries and as a result often falling as a victim of propaganda about the origin of its people. Hence I will like to clarify a few things based on number of facts that have NOTHING to do with my own bias.

1. Bulgarians are NOT slavs. 2. A direct connection between bulgarians and the huns is very likely. 3. Bulgarians aren't so homogenous and are closely associated to countries nearby with the exception of Romania, but have in common with serbia, macedonia and even Greece.

Some History:

1. First contacts of the Bulgarians with Europe:

The very first time when they are mentioned as such dates back to the Roman Empire when a roman historian writes in 354 CE that the Bulgars are successors of the Jews and...Noah. This is the source:

Ziezi Ziezi

While someone will suggest that the 'Vulgares' word implies also a common offensive description of barbarians by the romans, the author is indeed using it here to define a specific group of people and not insult bulgarians as "vulgar" - as he suggests that the Vulgares occupy western Asia and mostly all historic theories today associate bulgarians to Asian origin.

In addition, in 2011 a comprehensive DNA study was conducted by the bulgarian academy of science to determine a possible origin of the bulgarian people and the study also suggested a minimal African influence actually. So...a very possible theory is that people from Africa migrated to Israel, then to Asia and then back to Europe....

2. The Hunno-Bulgar connection:

Due to lack of sources about a Jewish-African ancestry of the bulgars - it will be hard to investigate such claims further so for now we will focus on later periods in history. A russian scientist discovered what is known to be the earliest document about the Bulgar monarchs("Immenik na bulgarskite hanove") and there the very first Bulgar ruler is called 'Avitohol' and his son Irnik. Some people suggest Irnik is the same person as of the Attila's sons:

Ernakh Ernakh

In addition to that many other signs points a possible connection: Cranial deformation, similar burials, similar weapons, having the barbaric tradition to make wine glasses from enemy's skulls, same religion (Tengrism), similar looks (dark asian eyes, black hair).

The bulgarian symbol of the Dulo clan also uses most likely Hunnic yerogliphs:

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This map also gives a good idea about the later Hunnic migrations:

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3. Antrolopologic studies that confirm an Asian non-turkic origin of bulgaria and reject the slavic origin:

Time for some biology :

The approximate distribution of Y-DNA haplogroups among the Bulgarian people runs as follows: 16% E1b1b 1% G2a 3% I1 20% I2a 1% I2b 20% J2 1% Q 18% R1a 18% R1b 1% T Here are mtDNA haplogroups found among Bulgarians: 38% H (of which 10% are in the subclades H1 and H3 combined) 10% J 6.5% T 20% U (of which 10% are in U3, 6.5% in U4, and 3.5% in U5) 13% K 6% X2 6.5% other haplogroups

As you can see the most prevailant are H and U - both of which lead us to western asia or present day Iran but NOT Turkey. E1b1b origin is considered to be Africa. J has origin of most likely east asia and X2 to Iran.

I2a is the only slavic element here constituting for just 20% of the bulgarian population. It is believed to have originated in Finland, or north Russia. This probably gives the light eyes and or light hair to some bulgarians.

Interestingly the R1 hablougroups make 1/3 of the bulgarian population today and they originated....in Bulgaria. So, this seriously challenges the idea that the Thracians were extinct when the Bulgars arrived. It's quite possible that great deal of the Thracians in fact mixed with the nomads withotu any wars, contrary to popular hypothesis that the Thracian were extinct before the Bulgar arrived.

Problems:

Some of the problems still remain the very origin of the name Bulgaria. Does it come from the Volga river? Does it come from the Latin Bulga ("bag, wallet"?). Does it come from the Turkish verb meaning to "mix" to "shake"? Another problem is the extinction of the Thracian as well as well as why do the Bulgars adopted Slavic language so easily as well as the orthodox religion. The Bulgar fought viciously with the Genghis khan mongols which slightly challenges the Mongolian-hunnic heritage.

Conclusion:

While it can't be confirmed with 100% certainty it's most likely the "bulgars" tens of thousands of years ago were inhabiting Africa, as africa sometimes is considered as the the birthplace of humans overall - this is not very 'shocking' as we all come from there perhaps... Then they later migrated to present day Israel and Syria and possible to have been some of the early inhabitants of Israel during the old testament (fun fact: John the Baptist remains were found in Bulgaria: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...cience-higham/) After Israel the Bulgarians most likely headed to present day Ukraine and Russia around the Volga river.Then they probably mixed with the Attila's huns and moved back to present day Bulgaria and Hungary. This view ^ should reject all theories about significant Slavic influence, as well as they suggest no gallic, nor gothic, nor frank, celtic influence.

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