User talk:Jorfer/Archive 3

FL articles
I believe the importance standard is Mid for Florida State Roads and U.S. Routes, Low for county routes, and High for Interstates. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * To clarify, that's for the highways project only. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Unamerican

 * Parents being financially forced to enroll their kids in a certain school is also unamerican.--Jorfer 18:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

You are clearly not understanding what is "American": I am exaggerating slightly, but you get the idea. It is VERY american to force you to homeschool your children or pay for a special school if you want religious education. If you cannot afford it, it is also very American to tell you to take a hike. --Filll 18:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The vast majority of people have no rights to a job and can be fired at any time for any reason whatsoever or no reason. This is a central tenet of American employment law
 * You have no rights to health care, only the health care you can afford
 * You have to obey the laws, even if you disagree with them or they are inconsistent, or suffer the consequences
 * You are free to use your own money to create your own schools or own churches or own health care arrangements, as long as you satisfy certain requirements
 * If you have no money, or not enough money, no one gives a crap. This is America.
 * Money is everything. Money is more important than justice or life or honor or truth or democracy or the rights of the oppressed or the environment or religion or anything else. That is a great American truism.


 * I'm moving my comments here back to the above section, where they are more topical. I do not think it is very productive of us to lobby accusations of being "Unamerican" back and forth. What does or doesn't constitute being "American" is a nebulous issue, and not really helpful in understanding either evolution or creationism; moreover, assuming that the current state of affairs is a good, "American" one, is succumbing to the is-ought problem: the fact that something is a certain way, doesn't mean that it should be a certain way, so merely pointing out that something is currently the case does not mean that it should be, which is what we are really discussing regarding the education topic. For the same reason, it is unsufficient to point out that it is illegal to mandate the teaching of ID in public schools; we need to go further in order to demonstrate that it is immoral to do so, for the simple reason that laws can either be good or bad, ethical or unethical. It is correct to try to explain why it is unconstitutional to preach religious beliefs in public schools, but we should go further and explain why it is wrong, rather than getting too fixated on the less important (albeit easier to address) "is" question. -Silence 20:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Silence is correct. It would be optimal if each child could have an education that was personally crafted for them by their parents. The problems arise in that this is not feasible, that parents are not necessarily in the best place to judge what is appropriate for their children in many cases (r might not understand the implications of their choices), and that some parents want to impose their beliefs on others. I do think it is immoral and unethical to force others to adopt your religious beliefs. It is not immoral or unethical to require that all students have some minimal background in reading, writing, history, mathematics, and science. And even if students disbelieve it for personal reasons, they certainly should be exposed to evolution so they know a little bit about this organizing principle we call evolution. For students to leave school and never at least learn what evolution is, or what gravity is, or what sound is, or what stars are, or any number of other basic concepts does a disservice to the child and to society. --Filll 21:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

You can require kids to get a high school education and have high standards by law without forcing which school they go to if they want government funding. A voucher program would let the student go to any school the parents wish, but this has often been unfairly struck down in courts and sometimes by State legislators. This would benefit not just religous schools but technical schools and high quality schools in general. I believe in the concept of choice, but obviously those involved in the education system do not. Choice is a fundamental American principal, but there is little in the school system.--Jorfer 04:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

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WP DFW
Thanks for creating the WikiProject Dallas-Fort Worth/Project banner.. however I've reverted your edits to WikiProject Dallas-Fort Worth. It is based on standards set at other projects.. and even though the coding is complicated, its presentation is pretty basic on all the articles. If you think some changes really need to be made that are so drastic, please discuss it with me and other members of the WikiProject at the banner's talk page. Thanks! drumguy8800 C  T  08:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering
Not to sound strange or anything, but I was wondering what High School you go to? Skillz187 04:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Dade Christian School--Jorfer 22:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Gentle Suggestion
Jorfer, be careful. You are perilously close to WP:3RR on the issues within the article Level of support for evolution. Consensus hasn't been established. Several editors agree with you, but if you keep reverting, it's not going to be pretty. Let us help you out. But don't get the illusion that I actually agree with your stand on the whole issue of Creationism. :)  Orangemarlin 00:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand that doesn't mean you agree, and I understand the 3RR rule and have only done it twice.--Jorfer 01:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

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MacNab Street Presbyterian Church (Hamilton)
Why did you redirect MacNab Street Presbyterian Church (Hamilton) to Hamilton, Ontario? There is nothing in the Hamilton, Ontario article about this church and there was no discussion on the Hamilton, Ontario talk page regarding this redirect. Alan.ca 22:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

To make sure the article is not recreated and if someone wants to add something to that affect then it should be placed on the corresponding local page if it be deemed an acceptable addition.--Jorfer 02:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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MIA
Hey, those images you added to Miami International Airport have caused some text conflicts on certain browser configurations. I'd fix them, but... eh, I'm just too lazy; maybe we can tone down the pixelization? -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  01:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

namespace vio
I have moved WikiProject Business and Economics/Assessment to WikiProject Business and Economics/Assessment. -- RHaworth 01:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Journalism
Jorfer, thanks for your prompt reply to my queastions questions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Journalism. However, you should be aware that when categorizing templates (as you've done recently to those related to the project), it's important to surround the category with the "noinclude" brackets tags, as in:  . Otherwise, each article which includes the template (a.k.a "transclusion") will also be added to that category, which is undesirable for various reasons. Otherwise, thanks for all the recent work you've done getting the project reactivated, I'm looking forward to seeing it develop. -Tobogganoggin talk 02:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Category edits
I've removed a few of your edits which redirected Broward County, Palm Beach County & Florida Keys to be only listed as Miami Project articles. I'm also unsure as to why you added those counties to the Miami Project category, removing them from their own. If you need to include surrounding areas you may want to consider the South Florida metropolitan area or Template:South Florida metropolitan area and not the individaul (and select) adjacent and nearby counties. Slysplace |  talk  00:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * What do you mean "remove them from their own"? If you did not notice, the Wikiproject Miami articles category is on all the WikiProject Miami template, but it is under include only.--Jorfer 00:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Miami River (Florida)
The article Miami River (Florida) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Miami River (Florida) for things needed to be addressed. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;   &spades;  22:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey
I was looking for conservative userboxes and stumbled upon your userpage. You seem like a pretty cool guy, I like your shirt. =)

I took some of your userboxes and put them on my page. =)

Keep up the good work!

--Evergreens78 01:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, help yourself.--Jorfer 01:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:AIV report of 24.218.135.18
I have removed your AIV report of. Removing old warnings from an anon's talk page is not vandalism, as it may be a different person, and in fact that IP has been a productive contributer recently. If they engage in new vandalism, feel free to warn them and re-report to WP:AIV if they persist. &mdash;dgies tc 20:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Tech
Please stop tagging talk pages with the WikiProject technology banner. We've got guidelines that tell us to avoid using massively broad scope WikiProjects, as they're hardly of any help. Tagging the articles just clutter up talk pages needlessly, especially when most of them are already under the scope of an existing technology-related WikiProject. If you'd like to collaborate between such WikiProjects, that would be a good idea, but not like this. -- Ned Scott 00:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Lead?
What the h*** are you talking about? Lead? Skillz187 20:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I still don't understand what a "lead" is? heh. Skillz187 20:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Well if that's the case, I didn't remove the lead. All I edited in that page was a category. If anything, I made that page what it is today. Skillz187 20:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * OH, d***. Now I remember. That was a long time ago. My mistake. I thought you meant something I did yesterday. Sorry, bro. Skillz187 20:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

South Miami High School
It's unsourced, its wording can be considered a personal attack, since it calls him an illiterate, also, if you find a source for his firing, it has to also state the part about him being an illiterate or that part won't be allowed (though anything else the source states will be). For now, since this can be considered a rumor, and since his firing/credentials/ability to read is not common knowledge then it can get us into trouble... libel and such... also... you fixed this by putting it into its own category, but it was also placed randomly within the article. Still, it needs a credible source, otherwise it's just a rumor and we can get sued... so, um, maybe if you find something by like a news outlet, or a press release from the school, anything that can back it up other than just word of mouth then it can remain. I have nothing against it, I'm just following the rules here. Did you add it, btw, i thought it was an anon? -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  22:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That is fair enough. I just wanted you to give a good reason because the person that added it at least deserves that and if it is discussed on the talk page then people will be aware of it and it could be discussed as it is a significant attempted content addition. I did add it; it was an anon.--Jorfer 23:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Final response posted on its talkpage. Heh, I'm glad you took it well, I hate it when some users take it offensively and want to rip you head off over it. -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  23:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Additions to the See also section of List of tallest buildings in the United States
All of those things certainly do not need to be in the see also section of this list, as the category serves them fine. Not to mention, I plan on throwing this to FLC soon and such a crufty section doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting through. -Phoenix 02:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Radio masts and towers
Please see my comment at Talk:Radio masts and towers. A response from you would be greatly appreciated. TIA. --Harumphy 12:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Categories
I assume that the categories you referred to are "Museums in Miami, Florida", and "Museums in Miami Beach, Florida". If you check Category:Museums in Florida, you'll see that I've categorized the entire thing by counties, and then further categorized a few of them by city. I did this partly to clean up the mess of articles within the category Museums in Florida, and partly to provide cross-indexing. Each of the county and city Museum categories is categorized within the appropriate county or city category. Hence, "Wolfsonian-FIU" is now accessible to anybody looking through the "Miami Beach, Florida" category through "Museums in Miami Beach", and to anybody looking through the "Miami-Dade County, Florida" category through the "Museums in Miami-Dade County, Florida" category and then the "Museums in Miami Beach, Florida" category.

I hope that explains what I was doing. JDS2005 04:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks for adding that photo on the Holocaust Memorial on Miami Beach article. I would have taken it myself, seeing as I live five minutes away, but I no longer have a camera capable of producing a photo with a sufficient resolution or quality. JDS2005 04:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I see what you're saying about the city-level categories not having enough entries, and I would agree with you completely if simple organization were the only purpose of the "Category:" function. I was considering reorganizing all of them just to county-level categories (or even just organizing the ones with multiple entries in the same county, and leaving the others under Florida), but I decided to do all of them with counties, and some with cities, really because of the cross-indexing functionality.

Somebody who clicks on Category:Miami, Florida will see 5 categories and 195 uncategorized articles (many of those probably should be categorized further, but that's a different issue). So "Category:Miami, Florida" is very useful for finding things relating to Miami. If "Villa Vizcaya", for example, were categorized under "Museums in Miami-Dade County, Florida", instead of "Museums in Miami, Florida", then the "Category:Miami, Florida" page would not link to it. It would be accessible from the "Category:Miami-Dade County, Florida" page, but it's more relevant specifically to Miami.

Do you see what I'm saying here? JDS2005 05:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Baptist group
There now is a proposed project to deal specifically with articles relating to Baptists at WikiProject Council/Proposals. If you would be interested in joining such a group, please indicate as much by adding your name there. Thank you. John Carter 19:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Schools Assessments
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Major edits to Emissions Trading Page
It is not clear to me why you merged the emissions trading page with the carbon emissions trading page. Carbon trading is but one segment of the overall framework, and has many particular issues. There is a Carbon credit page. I suggest that you undo all of your work and restore the carbon trading page. If I simply revert, I'm not sure that the Carbon Trading page will be restored. 18:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Silicon Valley of India/Economy of Bangalore
Please don't take unilateral decisions in redirecting and merging articles. There was a motion to merge the two articles last year which ultimately failed because consensus could not be reached. While I certainly appreciate your efforts in trying to clean up Wikipedia, I'd like to ask that you read the articles' talk pages before making major changes. Thanks AreJay 02:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Two complaints in 3 days about overly aggressive merging of articles.  The talk pages are designed for building consensus before major changes.  Please use them. 12:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

EF
EF isn't really about "energy development," it includes an energy component but is much broader. --Belg4mit 20:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Again, care to explain your recategorization of a broad topic into such a narrow focus? Particularly since this energy category template includes questionable content e.g; Kardashev scale --Belg4mit 00:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Right, and you've since removed the old templates, so there's nothing to revert to. There's nothing wrong with merging in theory. The problems are:
 * that the manner in which you merged them is changing the meaning. EF, as I'm sure many of the other articles where the original templates were referenced, is not strictly about energy. So to call it "Energy related development" is disingenuous. In particular, you should realize that energy is a subset of sustainable development, and not the other way around.
 * there's *way* too much crap in that template, you're trying to cram a portal into the bottom of every "relevant" page.

--Belg4mit 00:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

If you preserve the merge, the name and emphasis definitely need to change.

Did you even look at the old discussion on the template before merging? Nearly a year ago there were complainints it was too big and needed to be split. A portal to encompass all of sustainability (and therefore energy) if non-existent is certainly warranted. A few relevant templates are even reasonable, but they need to be carefully focused, another criticism from the talk page, electric assist power trains have nothing to do with ecological footprints or permaculture. You've now managed to revert all of User:Behun's work to no benefit.

It doesn't matter where on the page it is, it's still clutter and bytes that have to be transmitted. --Belg4mit 00:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

--Belg4mit 02:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Thank you.
 * 2) Right. I never said it was, in fact I said both should exist. Rather, I am simply strongly advocating for moderation in template content. See no. 3 below.
 * 3) Sorry, no. By that logic everything is related to EF; which it is, but I don't advocate throwing Birthday cake into the template. Only the most important first and second-degree relations to a topic area should be highlighted.
 * No, my point was that his work was to create "small" focused pieces.
 * No, that's only if you have multiple templates within the same entry and they have duplicate links. Again, my point was that you're now shoving several dozen unrelated links down the pipe in the offchance that one or two might be seen as relevant by the reader.

editing Euthanasia
Hi Jorfer. I'm in the process of trying to NPOV and otherwise improve Euthanasia article. Wanted to give you a heads up. (As background, FYI I am an academic and euthanasia is an areas I've studied extensively. Though of course my edits might be wrongheaded anyway.)

I am likely to try to merge/edit back some terminology prior to your March edits. I've explained why in Talk and proposed a strategy on how to proceed. Hope you don't mind, your page suggests you're a flexible and thoughtful guy. Please take a look and let me know what you think, on User talk:HG or on the talk page there. Thanks muchly. HG 15:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your thoughtful comment. I replied here.Talk:Euthanasia I'll be back Tuesday, any interest in meeting on IRC to discuss more? Or does all talk need to be documented? HG 05:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Skyscraper edits with categories
Thanks for your input of that. The article now looks alot more complete. Now that the category list has been placed, I changed the location of the skyline panoramas to be above the external links. I know that there should not be any content below any category list, in accordance of article layout standards. It finally looks alot more better this way.

Thanks anyway.

Someformofhuman 00:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

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ACE
Please consider this a polite warning to stop editwarring over the placement of the out of date tag: nothing very much depends on this. You have avoided 3RR by only reverting once a day, but repeated cycles can also be considered as disruption. I am putting the identical comment on the talk p. of the editor who has been reverting in the opposite direction. DGG 00:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Userbox
HAND. FCYTravis 09:44, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

"Decision" userbox
The vandalism to that userbox was somebody having a bit of silly fun. It didn't last long and the problem is gone. The wording of the userbox will offend some people and that, I'm sure, led to the edit. In the interests of peace and not offending other people can I ask that you remove it? I don't think it really serves a positive purpose and will merely make some people have a bad impression of you. violet/riga (t) 20:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If vandalism of your userboxes gets to be a serious issue, you can subst: them and ask an administrator to s-protect your user page ... but I echo the sentiments of others that you may want to rethink whether any good can come from those userboxes. --BigDT 21:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Admin Noticeboard discussion
I've archived the discussion, since it doesn't appear to require general admin attention and indeed seems to just be meandering off and not being that constructive. --pgk 21:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Jimbo Wales
You're disruption over this minor issue, which really isn't an issue anymore, is inappropriate. Running to Jimbo Wales asking for admins to be desysopped is disruption and can be treated as trolling no less. Don't continue with this behavior. — M o e   ε  21:40, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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In need of quick help
could you help me out with a page I'm creating for the 5000 role models of excellence I created a template but need help with the sources I'll be happy to send you the template.--DUOCHARLES

List of world's largest domes
Is it ok for you when I remove the tag? People continue work on the page, and do not seem to mind the tag & discussion. Regards Gun Powder Ma 17:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Telecommunication Towers
Helo! would you send me where have you searched the contributions to article Radio_masts_and_towers? http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Izampiron izampiron@yahoo.com.br

Miami-area special project: Your input needed!
Dear Jorfer,

You appear to be active in WikiProject Miami, or have contributed a lot recently to Miami-related articles. I would like to invite you to contribute your opinions on a grant proposal for a project that may provide unique and helpful resources for Wikipedia in Miami.

Over the last six months, Wikipedia and Wikinews have been discussing a project proposal with the Knight Foundation which could create a new type of an environment for locally-oriented encyclopedic and news content. The general idea involves an official sanctioning of a local Wiki community in one or two charter areas, one of them being Miami. The Wiki community would be empowered to cover all things Miami -- even things that normally would not pass notability restrictions -- and cover both encyclopedic information as well as current events in the South Florida community. The proposal may even involve the creation of a physical "wiki space": some sort of a local room or office to coordinate efforts and provide community members with a place to create and edit articles.

I'm working on formalizing the proposal, and would like to invite you and other Miami contributors to a project brainstorming session via chat. The chat will take place this Saturday, July 14th, at 12 noon Eastern Time (9am Pacific). If enough people can't make it there will be an additional repeat meeting at some later time.

The online meeting will happen using IRC on the channel #wikipedia-miami -- you can use your own chat client or the use this handy link to join the chat. Please don't forget to provide your username when you log into chat.

I look forward to talking with you. Thanks! -- IlyaHaykinson 04:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Energy
Please revert your recent edit which was made before giving sufficient time for anyone to respond to your proposal. I have placed an edit request tag on the page so by the time you read this Template:WikiProject Energy may already have been reverted. What we have been dealing with clearly appears to be one disruptive editor who wants to promote nuclear power. Nothing more. Protecting the page took care of the problem. Your edit was a solution in search of a problem that had already been fixed. 199.125.109.83 03:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Energy Portal image
[199...] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * The above anon user keeps pushing his oil rig image as the best one for the EnergyPortal. Please stop by and register your opinion. ——Skyemoor 11:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There is an RFC to obtain more input instead of just recruiting comments from specific users. I do not care what the image is other than it not be a collage, and if it is offensive (such as nuclear power) it be rotated with non-offensive images. Please note that the current discussion is on the Portal image and not on the project image. 199.125.109.126 14:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:Architecture see also
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Arab Wiki project
Are you interested ... Sign up then! --Aziz1005 15:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:Atheism and Template:Agnosticism
Why did you merge those into Template:Belief systems when 90% of what was in either of those was not a "belief system"? Is List of atheists a "belief system" in your worldview? Do you know of anyone whose belief is "List of atheists"? I restored those template, PLEASE DISCUSS FIRST!! //// Pacific PanDeist * 17:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Sustainability and Energy Development
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TfD nomination of Template:Renewable energy by country
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Hi, there is a proposal to merge inactive WikiProject (WikiProject Climate change and WikiProject Energy development) into WikiProject Environment. Please voice your opinions. OhanaUnitedTalk page 14:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

International Students Day
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I copied this over from my post on WP Miami's talk page:

If this project is focusing on South Florida, why is it named WP Miami? Miami is not the center of South Florida when South Florida is composed of 3 counties and Miami is in just one of them. WP Florida is culling their articles and tagging a majority of them WP Miami. I think a name change is in order not to confuse people. KnightLago 15:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See this talk page for the WP Florida discussion. KnightLago 15:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Elections in Florida
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Concerning Merging the page Zomi
Hi! Sorry for very late discussion. I thought that the Zomi page is worth to keep in its original setting and the Zo (people) is rather to be merged. Being the native, when we say "Zomi", it is a general term to refer to the whole people inhabiting present Chin State of Myanmar (Burma), part of Chittagong region of Bengladesh, present Mizo State and part of present Manipur of greater India as the "Zo" (as it looks in the article) would be a term to refer to a specific minor clan within the greater Zomi though there's no striking difference within the word itself from linguistic point of view. However, it is about the common usage. So, please, see that i have edited the former redirection. Sorry if it's borthering you. Khumpita (talk) 14:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Atomic Scientists' Association
Hi, Jorfer! Why not keep Atomic Scientists' Association redirecting to British Atomic Scientists Association? Does the former really need to be deleted? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Wheat Agronomy
Jorfer, the section on Agronomy has no references to support your statements. Will you, please, supply some? Amiably, Wugo (talk) 18:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * When you say "For example, current recommendations often indicate the second application of nitrogen be done when the ear (not visible at this stage) is about 1 cm in size (Z31 on Zadoks scale)"., I wonder who made the current recommendations. Perhaps I shouldn't, eh? Wugo (talk) 18:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Please accept my apology. I thought you had edited the section. Wugo (talk) 19:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Salam
Assalam Allaykom (Peace be upon you)

i have noticed that you are interested in the Arab World and its Culture, i would like to Invite you to Join the Arab Wiki Project.

our goals are to Increase the Public's Awarness and Develop Articles that are related to the Arab world, and help each others to achieve it, we are all good in certain things, so why not complete each others to make the Arab world a more Understood region for readers in Wikipedia...

i hope you join in, and get to explore the Project more, and add your name as a member in the Project...

Ma Assalama (Peace be with you)

--Arab League User (talk) 04:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Bible prophecy
I went through and did a major clean-up of that article. You had included a lot of things that you probably learned in class or through the sermon of your pastor. While conceivably of great interest and import to yourself, Wikipedia needs to take a little broader approach than that. In particular, I think you need to be very careful about some of the writing style which tends to be a bit flowery and unencyclopedic in your contributions. Try to stick to verifiable sources and make sure you distinguish between what is someone's belief and what is fact.

If you have any questions, please e-mail me. I see you have e-mail disabled.

ScienceApologist (talk) 00:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Egg on my face! I had an incorrect view of the contributions. Disregard above. ScienceApologist (talk) 07:19, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Abiogenesis
Please stop continuing to insert the same Hugh Ross part into the article. If you would like to use this in an article, the article on Old Earth Creationism is the appropriate place. Thanks. Baegis (talk) 22:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Level of support for evolution
I agree with you that it is not worth it, and I would let it alone if I thought my arguements were not being countered by red herrings. I hope that will not happen again. As to Dark Energy, that is really way out of my field of interest. I will read it, but I doubt I will be able to contribute much. Thanks for the civil and thoughtful replies. Ward20 (talk) 03:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

That other article is also not high in field of interest. I just happened on the Level of support for evolution article and some wording just struck me as OR. I will probably read the articles out of scientific interest, but given the bunker mentality I have seen, I don't know if I will contribute. Best. Ward20 (talk) 19:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Euthanasia reversion
Thanks for bringing the question marks to my attention. I'm wondering how it happened and I suspect Firefox must have messed up the formatting, since it looks like special characters were converted. It wasn't intentional. --24.173.141.14 (talk) 14:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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Greetings from the antipodes
I was just trying to get the hang of the tagging of the WP Energy project template when i found an oil fields of australia (about 10% done mind you) category and was stumped - not sure whether in the scheme of things how project management is done - here at the oz stralia project we have class=cat inside the template turns off the importance - and collects all the cat and non article pages - while in the Indonesian project we have all the non art pages at class=NA, would it be possible to let me know what i need to do to fix the few ones that i did to get em right - for some weird reason i havent sorted out what you folks do - cheers - it was suggested you might be able to help - thanks SatuSuro 23:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

OK if the template has been written right - there should be no importance for either NA or cat - if there is i think NA looks neater for both class cna importancecheers and thanks for your message SatuSuro 05:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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Meetup/Tampa -- You're invited! Hires an editor (talk) 12:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Nielson DMCA Takedown
I just signed in and noticed it myself, I don't think many people know what it is all about. I think they just slashed and burned and didn't tell anyone what was going on. If you hear anything about what the OTRS ticket is, please let me know. - NeutralHomer  •  Talk  04:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Brooklyn Bridge
Doh! Sorry mate, I didn't read the source very well. Thanks for fixing up the issue! - Tbsdy lives (talk) 11:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Acid dissociation constant
I have removed your link to a web site because a web site is not a satisfactory source for verification. In Wikipedia all content should be verifiable, but in the case of 50% neutralization no specific verification is needed as this concept is very widely available in text books. The linked web page would be a good reference on another web site, but not on Wikipedia. At best the link belongs in external references, but I believe that it is too narrow to be included there.

May I suggest that in future you post your ideas on the discussion page. We are trying to get this page up to featured article standard and comments and suggestions from people like yourself are always welcome. Petergans (talk) 08:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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This was published as part of a newspaper, which almost certainly did include a copyright notice. --NE2 17:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I've also raised the issue at. --NE2 17:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

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User page
Just to let you know, an IP was adding a phone number to your user page. I have delteted it and restored all the edits without that number. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 16:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Acid dissociation constant - re-written lead
I have now re-written the lead for acid dissociation constant. The essential content of the lead is the same as before. The effect of this change will be that when chemists will read the explanatory material they will say to themselves, yes, I know that, but non-chemists will hopefully get the gist of what the article is about

I invite you to read it and then record your “vote”, e.g. “now support” or “still oppose”, at wp:Featured_article_candidates/Acid_dissociation_constant. I have assembled a list of names under Re-written lead, so that the responses will be collected together in one place.

Some minor disagreements will inevitably remain. These should not be a reason for opposition. Rather, put constructive ideas on the article’s talk page, so that the article can be further improved by the normal editing process. Petergans (talk) 09:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Itub (talk) has proposed an alternative, shorter version of the lead at User:Itub/ADC lead. Petergans (talk) 10:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Acid dissociation constant
I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm going to have time to weigh in at the talk page -- I've got a couple of obligations going right now and don't really have much spare time. I did read Arnoutf's recent comments and they seemed sensible to me. I am watching the page and may comment in the future, but for the moment I'm trying to focus my work on the FACs I have going and the topics I've been working on. Sorry I can't help more. Mike Christie (talk) 13:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I've caught up on the current discussion. I agree that it's a reasonable suspicion that someone involved in editing the article was the IP.  I left a civility warning on that IP editor's talk page just after the second edit, and there's been no recurrence.  I think that it would be best to drop it at this point unless something further happens.


 * I will see if I can post something about collaboration to the talk page. Mike Christie (talk) 18:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I would weigh in Jorfer, but quite honestly, I agree with Peter. Not his attitude, his tone, or the IP's, but to be frank the content that you are inserting is incorrect. Sorry. EagleFalconn (talk) 03:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Aktion T4 and euthanasia (February 2009)
May be you are interested in the recent "discussion" about modifications recently made on the section Aktion T4 and euthanasia of the  that article  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.25.194.232 (talk) 18:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Jorfer,

Thank you for your constructive criticism regarding my posts to the Trinity School for Chidlren page. I have adjusted the post, added the school's credo and cited the school's Parent Handbook as my source for the information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlisaMurray (talk • contribs) 22:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Miami articles by importance
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 * I don't think this is due to a template change. It looks to me like the subcats were moved to Category:Miami articles by importance by . Deletion of Category:WikiProject Miami articles by importance should be merely a cleanup task. --Stepheng3 (talk) 19:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletion
The section about Messianic requirement is quite long and unrelated to the prophecy. Why do you want it kept?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Relevance_of_content Back2back2back (talk) 22:02, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

The prophecy says that the kingdom of David and his offspring will last forever. Whether that is also Messianic is relevant. How people interpret it is relevant. However, the geneanology of Jesus, and whether he qualifies to be the Messiah is not.

If one page worth of content is needed to explain every prophecy, the article wouldn't work.

The consensus is not that it is relevant. There cannot be a consensus if someone doesn't agree.Back2back2back (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Whether the prophecy is Messianic is relevant. Whether Jesus fulfilled it as the Messiah is not. Furthermore, the prophecy never implicitly mention anything Messianic. Why do you think it is appropriate to include so much information about Jesus' lineage? Moreover, according to wikipedia "An article that is dense with information only tenuously connected to its subject does little to inform readers about that subject". How is Jesus' lineage and tribal affiliation directly connected to a prophecy saying that kingdom of David and his offspring will last forever?

The Messianic interpretation is worth mentioning. A page of content on Jesus' lineage is not appropriate.Back2back2back (talk) 00:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The Messianic interpretation is worth mentioning, but it should not take up an entire page worth of content. Having that much information on one specific prophecy devalues the page. The article should simply say that Christians believe that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy as the Messiah and that the Jews disagree. Talking about the Messianic component of the prophecy is already going off on a tangent.Back2back2back (talk) 03:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't provide all information about every subject matter. Not every argument and counter-argument is going to be found in wikipedia. The sources can simply be cited. For example, wikipedia does not provide all arguments for christian apologetics, some are simply in the sources cited to keep the article concise and easy-to-read. Wikipedia provides information, not 5000 word essays.Back2back2back (talk) 04:42, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Although that is sometimes the case, a lot of times, arguments are simply not included just so the article becomes more easy-to-read, and the lack of editors or contributions do not become an issue. We both agree that having a page worth of content in that one prophecy is unsuitable; it greatly devalues the page; the content should be reduced and summarized until a permanent solution is found.Back2back2back (talk) 12:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I've made some changes to the section on my sandbox. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Back2back2back/Sandbox

One option is to try to shorten it, and another is to delete all references to Jesus fulfilling the prophecy, since the prophecy being fulfilled is not contingent on Jesus fulfilling it, it could be fulfilled by another person as well. References to the Messianic qualifications of Jesus is not directly related to the prophecy, as the prophecy never mentions Jesus specifically, and it could be fulfilled in the future as well. While the information could be moved elsewhere, it is unsuitable to dedicate a page's worth of content to a single interpretation of a single prophecy on a page dedicated to bible prophecy as a whole.Back2back2back (talk21:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Fact tags
I don't think the fact tags should be there since it is obvious that there are prophecies in the Bible which are both direct statements from God and which are statements of prophets.Back2back2back (talk) 03:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Request for tagging WP:Energy categories
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Hialeah Park
Let me point out that the Hialeah Park Race Track is mentioned in the history section of the Hialeah article.--Jorfer (talk) 15:42, 28 May 2009 (UTC) 1) Barely. It's so buried, and is mentioned under "hialeah park" without the "race track" so that someone looking for the fairly obvious "race track" doesn't find it, despite the fact that that's a clear and obvious word to search on. That may have been the original referent but it's not the one chosen for the wiki entry, and, when one is searching for info on the race track in hialeah (not knowing for sure its name) one is going to look for "race track" not "hialeah park". 2) The only way you'd search on hialeah park by itself is if you already knew what you were looking for, which is its name. 3) it doesn't mention the track's position on the national register at all, just ancient history. for all anyone knows from that entry it stopped being of any note in the 1930s. This should not be ignored, having a landmark on the NRoHP is not entirely uncommon but this one is hardly a trivial one, and if there is anything Hialeah is widely known for, it's the race track. I'm not reverting it but you should add that register information back into the history segment, it marks the track for its importance in the locale, both past and possibly in the future, and the word "race track" should be in the history para so it comes up on an obvious search term —Preceding unsigned comment added by OBloodyHell (talk • contribs) 16:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)