User talk:José Fontaine

I want to have discussions on this page.

José Fontaine (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Wallony
Dear José, I do not think it is an important synonym. It seems R. C. Fox misspelled Wallonia in her book. I fail to find an important official source for this Wallony. I propose to remove it from the top, and add "[sic]" after Wallony in the R. C. Fox citation.

Regards, Stephane.dohet (talk) 15:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:AN thread
Just informing you that there is a thread about you on the administrator noticeboard WP:AN (don't confuse with the incident reporting noticeboard WP:ANI). --Enric Naval (talk) 16:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The Battle of the Bulge




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 * José, I did not propose deletion because the page was grammatically incorrect, I can help with cleaning that up, I proposed it because no references were cited, and it was impossible to determine why the article was notable without sources. If you can post some references, I would be happy to help you out with the article.--Terrillja (talk) 21:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Wallonia
I have been cleaning up some things, and most of it was pretty easy to see what you were trying to say, other than this sentence:

The German army could not go across the river in 1944 as this army did it, just at the same place, a little to the south of Dinant in Houx (Wallonia) and in the neighbourhood of Dinant named Leffe (as the Abbey beer linked to this abbey in this neighbourhood) in May 1940 (as well as in Sedan).

Just trying to figure out what you were trying to say.

--Terrillja (talk) 16:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)



Federalism
Re: your note on my talk page. You're right, of course, that de jure Brussels is a separate entity. But de jure, Belgium has 5 federal entities. What I think should be clear in the Federalism article, is the de facto situation, where you have only two components, with on the one hand the French speaking public opinion and political parties, and on the other hand the Dutch-speakers. De jure, there will be independent decision making on the federal level, in Brussels, Wallonia, Flanders and the French Community (and of course the German community), but the facto these decisions are made by the French-speaking and/or Dutch-speaking parties (within the coalitions).

I believe that it is this mechanism that should be made clear in the Federalism article, because it is this reality that makes the Belgian situation so unique and difficult (and very interesting too). --Luxem (talk) 17:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * After reading the Belgium section on Federalism again, I believe that we have a double problem growing. On the one hand, I think that we are going to deep into the Belgian situation. This is an article on Federalism in the world, and Belgium is just one example of a federal system. The Belgium paragraph is becoming too large and detailed for this article, and some of the content should be moved to Federalism in Belgium or something.
 * The second problem is that the text as it is, has too much original research, and therefore violates Wikipedia guidelines. What do you think ?
 * --Luxem (talk) 17:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

French Community of Belgium
Thanks for the message on my talk page. In my edit summary in Francophonie‎ when I removed the piping to the French Community of Belgium article, I was referring to the official website of l'Organisation Internationale de la Francophonie which lists the name of that member as Communauté française de Belgique (see here: []) which translates to exactly what the Wikipedia article calls it, French Community of Belgium. Also on the website that you provided me, it uses the name French-speaking Community of Belgium when referring to this community as well (see this news article from that website: []). I think piping a different name as the official charter name as well as a different name of the main article which it links to should be avoided. Merci. Kman543210 (talk) 13:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


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Revision
I just changed your revision to Wallonia simply because it did not seem to help the difficulties with the passage. Feel free to revert me if you think it necessary. --69.225.11.246 (talk) 01:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC) No problem, Sir José Fontaine (talk) 15:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have reverted this change because Walloon is a language by itself and not a variation of another language (especially the French language). Furthermore there are different variations of the Walloon according to the place where it is spoken.  For instance there are substantial differences between the Walloon spoken in Charleroi or in Liège.  --Lebob-BE (talk) 08:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Good afternoon dear José. Well, on you suggestion I have spend a few minutes on the wikipedia (en) article on dialect and it is indeed amazing. I however think that for a linguist (maybe not a French one) Wallon will in most cases be regarded as a language by its own, even if it is (much to my regret I must say) always less spoken.  It has however its own litterature.  for me, the most obvious reason for which it cannot be regarded as a dialect is that a French speaking person is absolutely unable to understand Walloon and that if Walloon people understand French, it is only because they have learnt to speak and read French, like you and me.  By the way, you will find the English article on the Romandie here.  Have a nice day.  --Lebob-BE (talk) 15:43, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Wallonia
Thank you for drawing my attention to the page. You will find that I have amended the section on the iron industry and added commonts on the talk page. I am rather unhappy with the Industrial Revolution article, which has had too many editors adding too much material. I have worked on it, but do not have the time really to take it in hand. Furhermore, I have a POV on its nature, which I need to publsih in an academic journal before I put it in WP. I suggest you do not reply to this, but discuss things on the article talk page (rather than mine). Peterkingiron (talk) 18:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Oregrounds iron
I am afraid I am unhappy about the way you are dealing with this article. This kind of iron was special, not because it was made by the Walloon method, but because of the quality of the ore that it was made from. Many of the workers were of Walloon extraction, but the method was in use there long after any conmnection with Wallonia had been forgotten. The Walloon method does not need a separate article from finery forge, becasue the subject is adequately covered there. I fear that you are assuming a wider meaning for oregrounds iron than it bore. The article might be categorised as relating the a Walloon diaspora, but (in my view) adding categories about Wallonia and its history is misleading. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Derrida
Thank you. Of course you are right that extermination as such isn't very Derrida at all, but the idea of the priority of ecriture cerstinly is. It's quite Derridean, I think, to suggest that the text is engaged in an act of erasing by overwriting a page. Paul B (talk) 21:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Provide citations about your recent changes about walloons
I think I've sourced the citation about that the Walloons were of Germanic extraction, but no citation provided about celtic one, please do so if you think what you edit is correct and trustful with good faith —Preceding unsigned comment added by Historian19 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

you are going back
None citation is provided about the celtic origins of the Walloons, but there is one in fact that pruves that they were of Germanic stock. Your pardon is accepted about your "bad" english, through Wikipedia is a Multi-Language encyclopedia, so do not worry about. good day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Historian19 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Historian19 16:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Holocaust Denial translation
merci pour your kind word on translation, I will post my ideas the discussion page on the article's discussion page later this evening.Mtsmallwood (talk) 01:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Walloon movement
To be honest, I've got a bunch of other stuff I want to get done first, so I probably won't be able to help you. Cheers,  Oreo Priest  talk 21:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

There are several Walloon representatives of the Socialist Party in the Walloon Parliament who are in favour of the Walloon Regionalism, also in the Walloon Government as  Eliane Tillieux and Jean-Claude Marcourt for instance. The Walloon wing of the General Federation of Belgian Labour are in favour of more powers for the Regions.

Brussels naming conventions
It seems we've almost reached a consensus at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Belgium/Brussels_naming_conventions. Please comment on the proposal for double names and in the poll on which name should be first in the lead and infobox when there is no English name. Cheers,  Oreo Priest  talk 19:55, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Hêbê Debate at the European Parliament: Wikipedia - Truth by Consensus?
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We would be happy to have you there!

Kindest regards, HêbêDeb (talk) 17:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Walloon prisonners

Your contributions
Hello. You've been putting in lots of hard work and Wikipedia is the better for it, and it may seem inflammatory that I am deleting or reverting some of your contributions, so I feel I should explain myself. Mostly, it is because you go into too much detail and write too much; especially in the Wallonia article, where we have to cover the entire region and all related topics, there isn't enough space for this. Part of this is because you quote too much and attribute the quotations to authors and explain the work it's from. This would be normal in an essay, but it works a little differently in an encyclopedia. (Another thing: be careful to always use the double quotations marks " instead of two single quotation marks (two of ') if you ever do quote; often you leave entire paragraphs in italics because of this mistake.) If you really want to be thorough with the attribution, you can perhaps include it in the footnote text with the reference. In general though, try to express the core of the idea in as few words as possible.

Also, I know that Wallonia is a very important subject to you, and you have your opinions about what Wallonia means and its history and identity. I'm trying to keep the tone a bit neutral. I'm not suggesting what you add isn't true or that it's biased, just that it doesn't really fit into a concise general overview. For similar reasons, I try to avoid editing the article on Canada, which is where I'm from.

I don't mean to discourage you from contributing; quite the opposite in fact. I just am trying to give you a few honest tips to improve your writing. I look forward to continued collaboration, and if you have any questions, let me know. Cheers,  Oreo Priest  talk 04:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the cinema section is a bit long, but I'll trim that down later. I've already cut the Sequence stuff down to a single sentence, which is probably the right length. A page on Walloon cinema probably isn't necessary; cinema of Belgium is probably the place to put it.  Oreo Priest  talk 19:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Watch out! You accidentally put a quote in italics! Cheers,  Oreo Priest  talk 14:40, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I understand your difficulty now, but I hadn't really thought about it much before. The character on my keyboard is ", which is actually a pair of quotation marks together as one character. You're probably using a French keyboard, (AZERTY at the top left), no? The character " you're supposed to use is the equivalent of « or » in French. I'm guessing you don't have it on your keyboard, but you could take a look. Maybe you could use single quotation marks for quotations (just ' these ', but not two together), or you could put this: " on  your userpage and copy-paste when ever you need it. I would think that just using the single quotation mark ' on each side would be easiest and most effective. But if you put two, together like this: '' around a quotation, the Wikipedia software thinks you're trying to put that text in italics. Does that make sense to you?  Oreo Priest  talk 19:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)




 * Hi José! Thanks for your recent contributions, notably those to Liège. A note on your writing style though: I know you're an academic, so you're used to quoting authors in support of your claims. That's normal in academic writing, but it's not really the right tone or style for Wikipedia. It would be better if you could paraphrase the sources, and reference them in all cases, and try to avoid using quotes altogether. That would help your writing match the style of Wikipedia a lot. And watch those " quotation marks! Cheers,  Oreo Priest  talk 15:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, your writing (in terms of Wikipedia) is getting a lot better. I also meant to say that it was a good level of detail this time; not too much on the summary page, good work. I also noticed that the Walloon Jacquerie of 1886 has no corresponding page in French. Any reason you're working first/only in English? Cheers,  Oreo Priest  talk 23:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Why the User:José Fontaine thinks it's necessary to use the death of people in Mining_accident to promote his nationalistic agenda is beyond belief. The list clearly states 'by country'. Why he needs to list it as wallonia, I do not understand. Also, walloon is a dialect of french. I understand you are proud of your region, but this is distasteful. For what I care, belgium may split in two, but until that day, that mine is in that country. On top of that, the accident happened in 1956. That's clearly past 1830. I think the numerous efforts from your part to pollute that article with your agenda are very poor taste. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.125.230.223 (talk) 06:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I didn't understand how I was so suddenly attacked but the how may be linked to the who... José Fontaine (talk) 19:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Partial regional map of Wallonia
Hi José. I removed that map from Wallonia not because the content wasn't valid, but because there was no space left in the geography section for another picture. Also working against it is the fact that it's a crude hand drawing. Cheers,  Oreo Priest  talk 04:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Unofficial referee
Calling others to erase one's POV is not a behavior suitable to Wikipedia. Your sources proves nothing, I gave many sources (Belgian, French and English) that use the word occupation, I even gave you links to Pirenne's texts although you claimed that he didn't. I also showed you a link on fr.wiki where you were involved and where there's a source using the word occupation. If you want unofficial referee to push your POV, especially lying to them, I will called you to a very official arbitration comitee. CharlesWoeste (talk) 22:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
No problem! Always happy to help.  Oreo Priest  talk 16:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Butte de lion
I was skeptical, but I think the new image works nicely. By the way, you're not supposed to put images directly opposite each other, nor force their size (give them a specific size). This is for technical reasons, to make sure the page displays properly for everyone.  Oreo Priest  talk 00:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Sources for beer
Hi José. I undid your Orval edit to Belgium. I think you are absolutely right, but we really need reliable sources for this kind of comment. Santé. DVdm (talk) 21:21, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Belgium, please cite a reliable source for the content of your edit. This is particularly important when adding or changing any facts or figures and helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.

Jose, you need a proper reliable source, preferably in English, not some promotional website. See WP:RS. I have removed the statement again. Please don't add this kind of information. Wikipedia is not the place for that. Thank you. DVdm (talk) 13:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

As examples, this and this could provide reliable sources for comments about Belgian beers. Enjoy. DVdm (talk) 15:01, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Coal mining disasters in Wallonia
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 * Not a problem. I'll leave it for an administrator to to decide. Cheers. freshacconci talk talk  15:33, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Flamarande
Hy there. Let me begin that I haven't removed any of your unsupported sentences (if I did that, the article would be reduced to half at least). I flagged all vague statements with a 'proper citation' needed because the sentences did not have the needed citations/evidence. I wish also to remind you that unsupported sentences can be deleted. I didn't do it because I believe that this article is interesting enough.

Now about the poster... the poster itself says: "Remember Belgium - Buy Bonds - Fourth Liberty Loan". Now please try to explain me how the poster "turns out to be partly fact"? Does it turn true because it sells bonds? It doesn't even use the expression "Rape of Belgium" and it makes no statement whatsoever about German war crimes. It makes no accusation at all. So where exactly is anything that turns to be partly fact? Is it the picture? A German soldier that is holding the hand of a girl amidst a fire? If so then please cite the passage of the source. Be clear in such matters, and not vague. Flamarande (talk) 20:27, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for General strike against Leopold III of Belgium
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

An other one
Joseph Malègue

Joseph Malègue (La-Tour-d'Auvergne 8 december 1876 - Nantes 30 december 1940), was a French catholic novelist, principally author of  Augustin ou le Maître est là (1933) and ''Pierres noires. Les classes moyenne du Salut.''. He was also a theologian and published some theologian surveys, as Pénombres about Faith and against Fideism

Life
He took two times (1901 and 1902), the entrance examination for École Normale Supérieure but he failed because his poor health. He wrote (1902-1912) a Ph. D. of Law about the unemployment among the English dockers (1902-1912) during several stays  in England. This Ph. D. was published in 1913: Une forme spéciale de chômage :  le travail casuel dans les ports anglais - Google books. It is also during these stays (more accurately, January 1912), he found the whole name of the principal character of Augustin ou le Maître est là : Augustin Méridier. For January 1912, we have the first handwritten pages of Augustin ou le Maître est là. During World War I, once more because of his bad health, he was only able to work in an infirmary, despite his repeated wishes to be engaged in a fighting unity. In 1917 he worked in the International Commission for relief in London. Since 1922 until 1927, he taught at the Ecole Normale (educating teatchers for elementary schools) of Savenay. He married Yvonne Pouzin in 1923, a doctor of medicine and they lived in Nantes. The Malègue's novel Augustin ou le Maître est là was finished in 1930. The French philosopher Jacques Chevalier, a friend of Malègue, helped him to be published to Plon, but that failed. Finally, he was forced to pay himself the 3,000 first copies to Spes publisher. This roman fluvial (river novel : 900 pages), following the French literary critic Claude Barthe in 2004, had immediately a great success. French critics was in majority in favour of the new novelist and his work. Belgian, Walloon critics, Swiss critics, too. And the most important critics of other countries in Europe. Both catholic and protestant critics. Spes published 10,000 copies in the end of 1933, 9,000 in June 1935, 6.000 in March 1940 etc. He was named le  Proust|Proust catholique by many French and Walloon literary critics (Jacques Madaule, Léopold Levaux for instance). He received many letters and among them Paul Claudel, Henri Bergson or Maurice Blondel. With this philosopher, he engaged in a lengthy philosophical correspondance. He published Pénombres in 1939. In 1940, he had a stomach cancer and died in december. Despite all his efforts, he was unable to finish ''Pierres noires. Les classes moyennes du Salut.'' This novel who was more ambitious (almost 1,000 pages already written for the two first parts of the book and there would have been a third part, the most important), was published after Malègue's death and the end of World War II, in 1958.

Writings
Malègue's Augustin ou le Maître est là is unique among Catholic novels, following Victor Brombert, because, instead of writing about sex and sin as François Mauriac or Georges Bernanos, he poses the religious problem from an intellectual (not intellectualist) point of view. The hero is clearly victim of the libido sciendi. But Malègue insists not on his pride, but on the seduction of the mind. He is not against intelligence, on the contrary.

The Augustin's return to his faith, in the end of the novel, is not an abdication of the intelligence, but a reconquest through pain and lucidity. Reason or intelligence is not abandoned but only cold reason wich is unable to meet the person, both of men and God, in the same sense as the philosophers  Blaise Pascal or Henri Bergson, thinking that Jewish or Christian God is not the God of Aristoteles. But, in doing so, the author wrote a long (900 pages in the first edition) and authentic novel 'without loss of either dramatic or psychological intensity'. Following him, the drama of intelligence appears in a different light in other Catholic novels.

If this author is a little forgotten, even in France, some literary critics continue to study his work, and among them William Marceau who wrote in 1987 Henri Bergson and Maurice Malègue, la convergence de deux pensées  ( French and Italien Studies, University of Stanford, 1987), or Claude Barthe in 2004

Works

 * Une forme spéciale de chômage: le travail casueldans les ports anglais, Rousseau, Paris, 1913.
 * Augustin ou le Maître est là, roman, Spes, Paris 1933.
 * (German translation Augustin by Edwin Maria Landau, Benziger, Einsideln, 1956 and Italien translation, Agostino Méridier Società Editrice Internazionale, Torino, 1960. At that time, no English translation)
 * Pénombres, glanes et approches théologiques, essai, Spes, Paris, 1939
 * Pierres noires. Les classes moyennes du Salut, roman, Spes, Paris,1958
 * Sous la meule de Dieu et autres contes, Spes, Paris, 1965

Unfortunately, I was not connected
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