User talk:Joseph Isama

For you to say Premium Times is a reliable source and the Vanguard is just an Opinion, therefore prompting you to delete my edit, is False. Peter Obi started his business before he ventured into politics, and that was clearly stated with a source that is verifiable and if you can say Premium Times is reliable, then Vanguard Nigeria is also reliable. Again, Premium Times wrote that EFCC called for his investigation, but they've not written on the outcome of the investigation. Vanguard has come out to say that EFCC and ICPC has cleared Peter Obi of all wrong doings as accused by Premium Times. Please stop deleting my edits and let the truth prevail for the integrity and objectives of Wikipedia.

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April 2022
Hello, I'm Cakelot1. I noticed that you recently removed content from Peter Obi without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Cakelot1 (talk) 22:08, 27 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Read WP:BRD and take it to Talk:Peter Obi. You risk being blocked otherwise 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:11, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , Note that the content includes references to Reliable sources and so is well in line with Wikipedia's guidelines on Neutral Point of View. Your welcome to discuss this on the talk page for the article if you think the sources in the article aren't reliable or the inclusion would be WP:UNDUE. Cakelot1 (talk) 22:11, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

On my recent removal of content "Pandora papers"
The Premium times that is used as a reference is not a reliable source because it is guided by political interest, to tarnish the image of a public figure in other to diminish he's public appeal. Before Peter Obi entered into public service he had investments spread all over the world. And hes businesses were family inclined giving some ownership to his family. Joseph Isama (talk) 10:33, 30 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The Premium Times has long been listed as a reliable source by WikiProject Nigeria and the investigations into the Pandora Papers leaks were a multinational collaborative project involving scores of reliable news sources. Looking at the piece itself, it is straightforward (the companies were literally named after Obi's family members) and includes statements from Obi himself along with explanations on how he ran afoul of the law. I have added a note that the money was his own so readers won’t inadvertently think the money was stolen public funds. Your edit that 'he was cleared of wrongdoing by the EFCC and the ICPC' is not supported by your source, which is just a conjectured opinion piece—find a source that supports that claim or stop, you have already edit warred. If you want to add to Obi's page, find reliable sources on his gubernatorial tenure and neutrally write about that or his current presidential campaign. Watercheetah99 (talk) 19:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Joseph, both the Premium Times and Vanguard are reliable sources—the difference is in the articles themselves as the PT piece is an investigation while the Vanguard article is an opinion column by Ikechukwu Amaechi. Vanguard did not make that article, Amaechi gave his opinion and Vanguard published it; opinion columns are not permitted as sources under usual circumstances. Even if they were permitted, the piece never says that the EFCC and the ICPC cleared Obi of wrongdoing in the Pandora Papers case in 2021 instead it said that the agencies saw him as "squeaky clean" in 2019 when he was nominated as Atiku's running mate. I personally added that the money was from his time in business, that is not in question; the PT investigation showed that he put that money into offshore companies which were the subject of the Pandora leaks. Also, the PT investigation never said that he was being investigated by the EFCC. If you want to add to Obi's page, neutrally write about his term in office; if you continue to edit war, you will be blocked by an admin. Watercheetah99 (talk) 05:24, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

April 2022
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Hope the user that reported me will be blocked because the Pandora papers and premium times shouldn't be used as a basis to place justice on a public figure, that he broke a law, when there's a counter narrative. Premuim times reported that Peter Obi broke a law. Afterwards EFCC had investigated Peter Obi and Premuim times hasn't updated the results of the Investigation. But there's a Vanguard author saying the results of that investigation was "squeaky clean". And here I'm trying to make Wikipedia a tool of reliable information hub. It's just a bid to make Wikipedia better. Joseph Isama (talk) 08:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Show me where the EFCC came out with a statement clearing Obi. Watercheetah99 (talk) 15:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

The EFCC do not release statements to clear individuals. They're not the court or Judicial panel. Is after their investigations that they either choose to charge a person to court or not. The question will be did EFCC charge Peter Obi to court, after the investigations? Or are they still investigating Peter Obi? I appreciate your effort, but please if you can use this your energy to update Tinubu's wikipedia profile on the "bullion van saga" I'd be rest assured this is not a political witch-hunt. Joseph Isama (talk) 05:29, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I've added dozens of corruption allegations against Nigerian politicians (APC, PDP, and even APGA) to their pages including part of Tinubu's (along with Yahaya Bello, Udom Gabriel Emmanuel, Abubakar Malami, Abdul'aziz Abubakar Yari, Abdullahi Umar Ganduje, Bassey Albert Akpan, and others). I don't have to edit a single thing to make you feel more comfortable now. "The EFCC do not release statements to clear individuals" — so he is not cleared, it is that simple you cannot make up stories because you want them to be true. Watercheetah99 (talk) 10:27, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Okay Wateercheetah, but Peter Obi had those companies before he entered into politics. And he handed them over to his family, after taking office. Though it might have been late when he did that, which was due to some reasons. So Pandora Papers and premium times are not honest if they cant tell us when Peter Obi got those investments in tax havens? You know sometimes incomplete information is not a reliable. Joseph Isama (talk) 12:09, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * You have let your bias completely overcome logic, if you read the piece you would know that the issue is the companies and bank accounts themselves. First, Obi remained as a company director for over a year while being governor (that is against the Code of Conduct Bureau and Tribunal Act) — just because he eventually handed the company over doesn't undo the crime; second, Obi did not declare his offshore companies when he became governor (that is against the Constitution) — he never declared these; and lastly, he maintained foreign accounts while being governor (that is against both the Constitution and Code of Conduct Bureau and Tribunal Act) — he also never renounced these. You cannot make up stories because you want them to be true. Watercheetah99 (talk) 12:21, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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