User talk:Joseph Svinth

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Jigoro Kano
Greetings Mr. Svinth. I've often heard good things about you from MarkF over at E-budo.

Thanks for the additions to the Jigoro Kano article it is badly in need of content.

I've been working on this one a bit too. I thought there should be separate sections emphasizing Kano's contributions in areas other than judo; as an educator, establishing a school for Chinese, promoter of broad physical culture, Olympic commitee member. I thought that these might be handled in sections rather than just as chronological entries.

Did you have an idea for the overall structure of the article that you were thinking of?--Mateo2006 04:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Reply
I hadn't really given much thought to a complete restructuring of the Kano entry. If I were to spend that much time researching and writing about a single subject, I'd be inclined to publish it under my own name, and in a venue less likely to be changed overnight. But, if you've a mind to do this, then I definitely like your idea of dividing the article topically. That way, readers can skip sections that don't interest them, which would be helpful for an article as long as this one could eventually become.

Besides what you've named, sub-headings might include information about his family (the article contains little about marriage, his children, and other things that are generally important to a person), his complete list of publications (both in English and Japanese), and his contributions to other Japanese martial arts.

From an improvement standpoint, do you have access to a university that has an East Asia library? If so, it would be worth checking their reference section for "Who's Who in Japan". I looked him up one time, years ago, and as I recall, his entry mentioned almost nothing about judo. Joseph Svinth 07:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Interesting ideas all. It was also my understanding that, from a broader historical point of view, his work in the area of developing ideals for the education system of Japan was considered more important by many than his work as the founder of a martial art.

Good added quotes in the section regarding the ideals of judo.

I'm looking around from my copy of 'Mind over Muscle' :) . --Mateo2006 18:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Article Promotions
Hi Joseph - some really nice work on several articles. I think promotions from Stub to Start can easily be done by the person who did the expansion. Even promotion to B does not need to be removed from those doing the editing work. Toss in a picture and the Nakayama Hakudo article would be B-class. Cheers.Peter Rehse 07:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Jujiro Wada?
Thanks for your note about the deleted Jujiro Wada image -- but do you think it is actually Jujiro Wada who is shown in the image at the head of the sled dog team? Or is it someone else? The McIlhenny Archives doesn't know if it is actually Wada who is in the image. Sincerely, --Skb8721 15:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, so the man holding onto the dogs in the foreground (as shown now under the heading "Establishing the Iditarod Trail" is not Wada, I take it? --Skb8721 17:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Correct. McIlhenny was providing funding for this operation, and presumably he liked to see pictures of what his money was buying. He wouldn't have needed a picture of Wada -- he knew him on sight. And he probably didn't care much about Wada's Japanese companions. But, Wada's Anglo partner? Mr. Ned might have wanted a picture of him. Joseph Svinth 01:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

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Welcome to the jungle
..we got fun and games. Looking forward to more edits from you. :-) Fred26 07:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably there will be more. Joseph Svinth 08:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK nom on Yoshiaki Yamashita
Hello,

Thanks for creating article on Yoshiaki Yamashita. Just for your information, I have nominated a DYK on this article, by having the following hook.


 * ...that Yoshiaki Yamashita, a pioneer of judo in the United States, was the first person to have been awarded 10-dan grading in Kodokan judo?

Thanks, - KNM Talk 03:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I also nominated the article for GA status. Some of the sentences are a bit punchy (ie short) - you might want to take a quick look at that.Peter Rehse 02:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I ran it through the grammar checker, and the document is currently running at the 13th grade level, with a fog index of 38.5. Thus, lengthening sentences will only make it harder to read. What makes it feel short are the frequent subheadings. I whacked a couple subheadings and put the entire introduction into one paragraph. I think that eliminated (or at least significantly reduced) that problem. Joseph Svinth 02:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

That's why I mentioned it here - it was just a feeling rather than something I wanted to bring up in GA-review. I was so quick to nominate because I think you write extremely well - not to mention the strong use of citations. By the way what program did you use for the Fog index and Grade level. It sounds like something I could use.Peter Rehse 03:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * For the readability stats, use the grammar checker that comes with MS-Word. The keyboard command is F7. Alternatively, go to Tools, click Spelling and Grammar, and then reset the defaults so that the program checks readability as well as grammar and spelling. Regarding the citations, I am trying to cite contemporary sources whenever possible. Traditional publishers, even in academia, don't like so many notes, but online, in a format where anybody can change anything, the liberal use of citation and internal links should minimize edit wars.

Thanks - I use the grammer check but did not know about the stats. Useful.Peter Rehse 06:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Sokaku Takeda Pici
Me again. I was trying to flesh out the Aikido article with a few more picis and I found one for Ueshiba's teacher Takeda S. but its on the Ukranian version of the Sokaku Takeda page and I have no idea how to get access to it with the correct copyright tags. Any help would be appreciated.Peter Rehse 08:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like the easiest way would be to save the picture to your computer, and then upload this image to Wikipedia or Wikimedia. The blurb at the Ukrainian site says that the image is copyright free, and I see no reason to doubt the statement, inasmuch as Takeda had been dead for 64 years already, and pre-WWII Japanese copyrights expired fast. As for the article itself, there is a lot of conjecture without any footnoting. Without looking closely, I'm guessing most of the speculation is Stan Pranin's. If so, you might consider circumventing all those misspelled "apparentlys" by saying, "Researcher Stanley Pranin has speculated," or words to that effect.

Thanks I managed it - I could not read the Ukranian so was a bit paranoid. I know about the article but I'll leave it be for now. I am sure that most is based on Stanley Pranin's work which, although I think is pretty good (the best out there), I feel a lot of the Aikido related articles rely too heavily on him even with proper footnotes and references. Stanley has done some great interviews and written well researched commentary but sometimes I am not so sure where the line between fact and opinion lies. Not that I would sweat about it personally so much because his opinions tend to mirror my own for the most part. Cheers.Peter Rehse 01:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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Tomiki and Goshin jutsu kata
I've heard many times that it was in large part the input of Tomiki Kenji and his aikido background that led to the development of this kata. Do you know of any official or at least reasonably objective reference which supports this?--Mateo2006 01:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You stumped me there -- I don't read Japanese, and haven't done much research into aikido history. I'd recommend asking the questions at Judo Forum, E-budo, AikiWorld, and so on, and see what turns up. Joseph Svinth 01:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

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Donn Draeger
Mr Svinth, you're correct that my opinions do not come from a peer reviewed or a verifiable source. Second hand acquantinces don't count for much. I'm also equally aware that the information on the location of his grave is publically accessible information. Perhaps we should use a third party to settle our disagreement. For the time being I will not disclose my identity but will register a user profile and then edit these posts so that it links to it.134.121.244.50 (talk) 23:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I am well aware of the second-hand opinions, on both sides of the issue. And, speaking strictly from an editorial standpoint, I would not miss that sentence were it to be eliminated. A biographical entry at Wikipedia provides us with 750-1,500 words with which to distill the essence of the person being described, and that article doesn't do it. Unfortunately, I don't know enough to rewrite the article. Consequently, unless I see something that is factually wrong, I leave it alone. That said, the reason I said what I did is that your waltzing into the place without first identifying yourself set off mental alarms. So, sign your entries and provide a discussion page, and have at it.Joseph Svinth (talk) 08:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

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 * I scanned the photo from one in my own collection. Given Tomita's age in the photo, I'd say the image is circa 1915-1920, so it should be well out of copyright, anywhere in the world.

Tomita Tsunejiro
Thank you for your contributions. Any suggestion where Tomita's profile photograph could be acquired for the article? Fayerman (talk) 18:33, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


 * As you can see, Wikipedia didn't like me using an image from my own collection, and I never got around to looking for anything else. That said, take a look at http://judoforum.com/index.php?/topic/39321-tsunejiro-tomita-photos/ . Typeface (and Tomita's dates in the USA) suggest that these photos are scans from New York City newspapers dated between 1905 and 1910, so they should be well out of copyright.


 * Please try uploading your scan again. I saw that other scan on judoforum.com, I didn't think this photo was suitable as a profile image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fayerman (talk • contribs) 21:11, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The JudoForum photo is actually better than my photo, and more relevant to the era -- mine is from the late 1910s or early 1920s, and it is very grainy. (Copies of copies; you know how it goes.)


 * Please take a look at the article again. Uploaded a photo from elsewhere. Looks great. Fayerman (talk) 00:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks like a better copy of the image that I'd put up, and that Wikipedia took down. Cool. Joseph Svinth (talk) 02:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

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