User talk:Josheastman



Hello, Josheastman, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like this place and decide to stay.
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noindex tag
Hi. With your article-in-development at User:Josheastman/JO, note you must leave the tag in place. You may replace it with the "userspace draft" template if you prefer, but until the article is ready for prime-time, it needs to stay. tedder (talk) 01:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

adding links in article space
Hi Josh. You absolutely cannot add a link to your draft article in the main space of Wikipedia.. You've done that twice now (at Jo). tedder (talk) 15:35, 25 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Josh, listen to the man. Stop doing stuff like this. Folks are being very patient with you, and you're disrespecting other editors by ignoring their advice, not communicating with them, and repeatedly doing what you've been told not to do despite how clearly folks explain to you why. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Not trying to be a jerk; was adding the maintenance templates to help
Greetings; if you don't want the maintanance tags at the top of your article while you're drafting it, that's fine. I wasn't adding them to hassle you, just to make clear what needs to be done. You hadn't responded to my feedback advice, or anyone else, so I can't tell if you actually read or understood them at all. Again, it definitely implies "autobiography" or "conflict of interest" when your username is the same as the subject; presumably you are Eastman and are writing your own article, which is usually a very bad idea (note WP:Autobiography). To put it this way, Snoop Dogg and Big Pun didn't write their own articles; articles get written because other people are interested in the subject. Regardless, the article absolutely cannot publish until it meets the terms of WP:Notability (music). Unless you can provide multiple instances of third-party reporting (coverage in a newspaper, for example), we have no way of proving that the subject is worth having an article about. So, apologies if I came across as a jerk for re-adding templates you removed, but the facts remain that there are things you need to fix if you want this to be an article. Further, it's really, really hard to help you unless you communicate with other people, so shoot me a line by hitting my "Talk" button to say hello, get things off your chest, etc. about the article. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Any reason for continuing to remove tags?
Do you have an expectation that suddenly the multiple editors with this page on their watchlist are just going to save "oh, nevermind, it's just too much bother"? It takes any of us literally one push of a button to revert, and all I have to is just glance over at my watchlist every now and then when I check my email, so it's really no trouble at all. If it gets annoying to the editors, an admin can freeze your account again, or block it entirely.

Seriously, no hard feelings about this; if you write me tomorrow and say "I'm going to work instead on an article about this 1980s Chicago rapper that I have three good footnotes", I'd gladly help you. But in the meantime, you keep shoving an article that has zero good footnotes, and is an autobiography. If you continue to not communicate positively with other editors, and to edit disruptively, you have nobody to blame but yourself when your account is locked, plus an admin can "delete and salt" to not only remove the article, but prevent such an article from ever being written without admin approval. I'm just saying, you're causing yourself grief for nothing when people, including me, would be glad to help you. Don't hate the game, you're just not willing to play the game by its rules. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:00, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

No, your article is not like Maino
I noted in your comments you claim your article is "just like Maino". Not at all. Maino has footnotes to XXL Mag and to MTV; those are independent and reliable sources. That is why his article can publish, but yours cannot. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:09, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank You So Much
thank you so much for your interest in this article...now please be patient as i am adding the necassary references now please edit another wikipedia article sir... im not sure what you do for a living or what your time and "life" consist of but please occupy your time elsewhere.

thank you agian for your contributions sir have a great day... and hopefully a weekend

me and my friends will be at a club opening in san clemente promoting my music if you would like a mixtape send me your email and i will send you the MP3s.

i bid you farewell and the best of luck with all that you wish to achieve in life.

take care

sincerely

josh eastman (get off my d*)))


 * Hey, I put in 8 hours of work today, was out on the lawn playing lawn bowling with some beers with my housemates for a couple hours, and now I'm kicked back with a beer listening to Dub is a Weapon. It's really no trouble at all, don't sweat it. Get references that meet the standards of WP:Notability (music) (which I really, really hope you've read by now) and I 100% promise I will be more than happy to publish your article personally once it hits that standard. Good luck at your Clemente gig; if you can get a major newspaper or hip-hop magazine to cover it, that'll be one of your footnotes right there.  Until then... MatthewVanitas (talk)


 * Your article is not being "vandalized". The only thing anyone has done to your article is to add the mandatory "noindex" tag to the top which keeps unready draft articles from being displayed in the functioning categories. The deletion was also not "vandalism"; as several of us repeatedly, repeatedly told you: your article does not meet WP:Notability (music) (sound familiar?). Per Criteria for speedy deletion (see section A7), any article about a band which doesn't meet Notability will be Speedily Deleted. I put up a "speed delete" tag, you contested it, so I did you a fair one and put it up for the full long-version "Articles for Deletion" debate, which can take days or a week to hold voting on keeping or deleting an article. However, when the admin came to look at the AfD proposal, he basically said "no contest, clear A7 violation, speedy delete" and killed it. I flat out warned you that articles not meeting Notability are subject to deletion, so again you have nobody to blame.  If you want your draft back, you can request "userification" at Requests for undeletion; they positively won't restore it as an article, but they might restore it as a draft.  That presumes that you don't be a hard case and keep removing "noindex" from your draft, insulting other people, etc. If you get your draft undeleted, and then keep doing what you're doing, move it to publish, etc. they'll likely permanently delete it, "salt" the title and any related titles you may want to use, and quite possibly delete your account. So don't bother requesting undeletion unless you're willing to actually go through the process.

And once again, an even more fundamental point: the Big Pun article was not written by Big Pun, it was written by fans using proper sourcing. If you find yourself writing an article about yourself on Wikipedia, that's a pretty good sign you're not ready for an article; kind of like having to plan your own surprise birthday party. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:37, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

April 2011
seriously bro or mam (Zell) spend your time CONTRIBUTING not vandalizing something i spent hours doing... iput together a proffesional page and i am adding references PLEASE HELP ME WIKI i am being vandalized!!!


 * Nobody is "vandalizing" anything; im just spending my friday night trying to hate on some other guy trying to do his thing even though i havnt really offered much myself... you know what this is drunk talk...lol .. i love you josh im gonna get off your d* now and live my life like i was intended to. i will contribute to your page josh i think i can work with some of your links...

as a matter of fact pal if this is your first article you did one heck of a job


 * And again, do you think Big Pun wrote his own article at Big Pun? Why do you think that is?  I still haven't heard back from you on that issue. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Removing Speedy at JOshEastmanENT
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from JOshEastmanENT, a page you have created yourself. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, then you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that looks like this: which appears inside of the speedy deletion notice, which will allow you to make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. - SDPatrolBot (talk) 04:44, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

This is your last warning. You will be blocked from editing the next time you vandalize a page, as you did with this edit to Jo.  Kinaro (talk)'''(contribs) 05:17, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "JO sh Eastman ENT"
A page you created, JO sh Eastman ENT, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it is about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, organisation, or web content, but does not indicate why its subject is important or significant.

You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.

Thank you.  Kinaro (talk)'''(contribs) 05:20, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Blocked
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for (more will follow). If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. tedder (talk) 05:22, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You've been blocked for.. well, for many things. You've tried the patience of many editors at Wikipedia who could actually be contributing to worthy articles. You could be contributing to worthy causes. You've personally attacked editors. You continue to create an article in mainspace about yourself that has no shred of encyclopedic relevance. Stop. I or others will be happy to unblock you if you read what Wikipedia is all about and show that you understand it. You will be blocked from editing this page if you continue on a rampage. tedder (talk) 05:25, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Advice
Hey JO:

See you've run into some trouble here on Wikipedia. Let me warn you before you do anything else that you're very close to being blocked, which will not help you accomplish what you want to here. I see you're trying to get a page on the Wiki about I'm guessing yourself. Please allow me to mention some guidelines that will help you achieve this task:


 * WP:CONSENSUS is the model by which we operate here. We discuss and implement things as a group of editors, not as lone wolves.
 * WP:N: We require that articles here be on notable topics, as defined by various sub-aspects of notability.
 * WP:V: We require that articles here be referenced to reliable, third party sources.
 * WP:COI: Special considerations are required where conflicts of interest exist.

We are not removing your article because we don't like you, we're removing your article because you haven't shown WP:N or WP:V. The good news is you're in the perfect position to find the references to establish your own notability and also verify the information you wish to place on the wiki. I'm guessing you've probably kept every media reference to your music. That information is what we need to help establish notability. Finding the sources rather than edit-warring is what will help resolve this issue in the manner which you desire. That assumes of course that you're notable enough to meet our guidelines. If you aren't, then keep rapping until you are, then try again.  N419 BH  05:27, 30 April 2011 (UTC)