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Cinema of Japan
I have tried rewriting the paragraph. Let me know if you still find it confusing. If I may say so, however, I found your tone of your last comment unproductive. This is a community, where a cooperative atmosphere is essential. If my statement that you seemed to misunderstand the paragraph offended you, I apologize. But I might add that comments like yours should at best be said on individual talk pages, which is why I am writing on yours. Also, if you had a problem with my reversions of your changes, referring them to me first is much more productive that writing on the article talk page. Michitaro (talk) 14:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I'm not really following where this discussion is meant to lead to. I spent quite a long time writing and rewriting that comment on the talk page to make it understandable why I thought there was a problem with the paragraph, but it didn't seem to help you to see my point of view. I don't know what else to write there which would make it any clearer or convince you, so if you're not convinced by what I wrote then it's better to drop the discussion and leave the paragraph as it is. JoshuSasori (talk) 15:11, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

How we can not know this

 * How do we not know this? everyone knows that Momoe, Junko and Masako were the hana chusan trio.

I didn't know it.

Well of course what you wrote was shorthand for Everyone who's taken the trouble to read anything about YM knows this. And since I'm editing the article, it's reasonable to assume that this "everyone" includes me.

But it doesn't, because I haven't read up on YM, in whom I'm not much interested. All I'm doing is tidying up the article, because the little I know about YM is enough to tell me that she merits an article that isn't a mess. (True, no article should be a mess. OK then: She has such a degree of popularity that the article on her is likely to be much consulted, and its messiness particularly unfortunate.)

Anyway, unless I cite some source, you can assume that I'm editing out of complete ignorance. If I seem to be making some mistake, chances are that I'm making some mistake. (Don't say I didn't warn you!)

I note that your (slightly irritated?) edit comment accompanied your addition of a source, so NB I'm not complaining. Quite the contrary, you're doing good work. Keep it up!

Pop singers aside, I must compliment you on your good (or good bad) taste in films, as shown by your username. -- Hoary (talk) 01:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's just a joke. Momoe despite being a gigantic star in Japan is almost unknown to English speakers, which is a sad reflection on something or other. JoshuSasori (talk) 01:46, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, she was a star on the strength of her looks, movies, TV series and music. Japanese TV dramas were rarely exported at the time, I don't think any Japanese starlet has succeeded in the west on her looks, and back then English speakers had different tastes in movies and music. I'm not sure that even now they'd be much interested. But I don't suppose they'd be less interested in her than in whoever were the gigantic Hong Kong, Indonesian, Argentinian or Soviet stars of the early 70s. -- Hoary (talk) 02:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * People who don't speak Japanese are unlikely to notice Momoe's power of expression as a singer. JoshuSasori (talk) 02:12, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That's true, but they also need some degree of appreciation of the genre of music. Until the recent western fascination with manga, etc, was any Japanese pops at all popular in the west? -- Hoary (talk) 02:41, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

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Despite being properly sourced, your repeated addition of cn tag and removal of sourced material is disruptive editing. According to this, "Surveys indicate that 90 per cent of North American men and 65 per cent of women masturbate, Queen notes". The google book reference can be found here. If you continue this disruptive behavior by disruptively adding cn tag and removing sourced material, you will be reported. -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  13:10, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your information, but the statement about there being a national masturbation day in Japan is total nonsense, and your claim that removing such trash from an article is "disruptive editing" is highly disingenuous. JoshuSasori (talk) 13:16, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia depends on WP:V. If a reliable source mentions there is a NMD in Japan, we have to add it. The quote from the book is "In Japan, there is a national masturbation day. Many websites boast about May being International Masturbation Month in which, among other activities, people are encouraged to get involved in masturbate-a-thons, various forms of self-loving, and mutual sexual play." This reference is checked by User:Goodvac. If you still have any doubt, you can contact him. -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  13:19, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * In that case, there are quite a few articles from the Weekly World News about Elvis being alive on Mars which need to be added to Wikipedia. I've reported this discussion on the Wikiproject Japan, since I have no idea how to deal with you. JoshuSasori (talk) 13:22, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've commented on this over at Talk:National Masturbation Day. —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 13:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Nihongo template

 * The "Nihongo" template is often added to articles, but its purpose is not clear to me. [...]

It's often not clear to me either. But it does at least two things.

First, it puts a little question mark that links to an article about Japanese script. In my opinion, this is a splendid idea -- when implemented once in an article. There's rarely if ever a reason to use this template a second time.

A second effect is less obvious, and for many people may not be visible at all. It's shared by the Nihongo2 template, which I use a lot.  東京  results in  東京 . Sorry, I lack the stamina to look for and within the relevant stylesheet to see what class="t_nihongo_kanji" tells the browser, but whether the cause is this, the standard HTML attribute/value pair lang="ja", the standard X(H)TML attribute/value pair xml:lang="ja", or two among or all three of these, the effect in the browser I use most often on one of my computers is to change the font to one that's much more pleasant to read. I know that "東京" (Nihongo2 template) and "東京" (no template) may look the same, but the former can look a lot better, and I've not heard that it looks worse. -- Hoary (talk) 14:46, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input about this. I am particularly irritated by the use of this template on film titles, where it seems crazy not to point out that the Japaense characters are the title of the film, and also crazy to put the English title of the film inside something called "Nihongo". It seems to me that people are suing this without things about why they are using it. The idea about the fonts seems to make sense but that is more of a problem on Linux computers I believe. JoshuSasori (talk) 16:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

If an article happens to have many mentions of (let's say) Tokyo, then we do not link it ("Tokyo") every time; we assume that anyone wanting to go to that article will see the link, and we also suppose that excessive linking adds up to a minor irritation. So I'm puzzled by other editors' fondness for splattering articles with multiple links to Help:Installing Japanese character sets. People might appreciate this suggestion once in an article, but surely not multiple times. For this reason I'm no fan of the Nihongo template. Still, in its lukewarm defense: "The Izu Dancer (伊豆の踊子)" (realized as "The Izu Dancer (伊豆の踊子)") isn't supposed to imply that "The Izu Dancer" is a Japanese title. Instead, it says among editors that this is a way of combining three entities for a meaningful and standardized output method. To the browser of the person reading the article, it says nothing about the first of these being Japanese. As an example, Kafū Nagai (永井 荷風) is realized as Kafū Nagai (永井 荷風 , Nagai Kafū? , December 3, 1879 - April 30, 1959) -- as you can see, the browser is not told in any way that "Kafū Nagai" is Japanese. -- Hoary (talk) 12:24, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

PS I wrote ''it puts a little question mark that links to an article about Japanese script. In my opinion, this is a splendid idea''. That's because I was under the impression that the link was to Japanese writing system or similar. Good idea -- once per article. But to Help:Installing Japanese character sets? Uhh... Also, the advice is slightly odd. Why are people using different flavors of GNU/Linux and BSD advised to use different fonts (rather than "look for any of fonts X, Y and Z")? Why are they advised to get them using this or that specific method, rather than just the method they use to install anything else from the relevant repository (which e.g. for Debian could indeed be apt-get or aptitude, but also could be synaptic)? Wikipedia mysteries abound! -- Hoary (talk) 15:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

New article on Loch Ness Monkey
Hi, I would like you to write a new article on the Loch Ness Monkey. Monkey Of Steel (talk) 10:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no intention of writing such a page. JoshuSasori (talk) 10:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)