User talk:Joshuaingram/Archive 1

It's so boring here. Someone needs to comment...
 * ✅ :) –Drilnoth (T • C) 23:40, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

That was great! Joshua Ingram (talk) 23:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

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Old Time Baptist article
Try to use the Template:Cite book. If you still have problems, send me a message with the template as filled in as possible, and indicating a diff in which the template didn't work, and I'll see what I can do. John Carter (talk) 15:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Premature closure
I think your closure of mediation on Barney Frank was premature. Lady of  Shalott  03:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah man. Don't be so hard on yourself. You're dealing with difficult people who have been feuding over the same stuff for weeks. Solomon himself couldn't solve the dispute in day. (Although the guidelines are really pretty clear and the edits needed fairly obvious, as your analysis and most other people's makes clear). Your reference to the study was a bit awkward, but otherwise your comments were mostly reasonable. At least you could stick around until we're done beating on you? :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Joshua, would it be ok if I was assist you in mediating this case? PhilKnight (talk) 16:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Salvation
Lets deal with this at Talk:Salvation, IYDM. -Stevertigo 06:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
...for the barnstar. And don't think anything about requesting some input from me. I'm not the best writer myself, so I spend a lot of time doing the other tasks. Believe me, it's an honor to be able to help those doing the fundamental work of wikipedia, which is the articles.
 * For what it's worth, the article is now at I think a sufficient quality level that any further input on how to improve it would probably be best gotten through a formal peer review, and then maybe leaving messages on the talk pages of the Christianity projects for input. But the article looks a lot better than a lot of others I've seen. Good work. John Carter (talk) 16:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Adoption
You honestly caught me a bit by surprise there. Having said that, I'm guessing I know at least a little about some of what you're interested in, so I might be useful. It's your call, though. John Carter (talk) 19:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, there's really not that much too adoption per se. The one physical change, as such, is maybe you adding to your userpage this template:

Then just basically contact me when anything comes up. I'll keep your talk page watched, so that I can see if there are any questions arising I might be able to help with. But it's fine by me. You've already been a benefit to the effort here, and I have every reason to believe that you will continue to be. Contact me, either on the talk page or through e-mail, which you should be able to see in the toolbox along the side, whenever anything comes up. Glad to work with you. John Carter (talk) 20:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Your edits to Talk:Waterboarding
Hi. In the future, I would recommend avoiding calling other users "closed-minded assclowns"; it's an obvious violation of WP:NPA. Cheers, --Akhilleus (talk) 00:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hate to say that he does have a point there. Lord knows, sometimes it's really difficult to not say what we really want to about others. There are a few parties in an arbitration case I'm currently involved in who I honestly think deserve to be mentioned in much stronger language than I am using, or, for that matter, almost ever use. But that would definitely tend to make them less than charitably inclined toward me in the future. John Carter (talk) 00:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

re: medcab
Hi, thanks for dropping me a message. We don't have many mediators, so thank you for volunteering :-)

Mediation is very learn-as-you-go; in time, you may find it to be a bit like chess. That sounds cynical, but you'll find that many editors basically play disputes by guessing ahead what the replies are going to be so they can gain initiative. You'll see this a lot; or, at any rate, you'll see how it could've been "played" better, and thus gain your own initiative. Please forgive my gaming metaphor, but it's apropos.

Gaining initiative as a mediator is very important; you rarely start with it. It's extremely difficult to get editors to come to a consensus/compromise on content on your first go. It's easier to start on conduct. After all, your main purpose is to get the parties to talk civilly with each other so they can improve the article. Then you can leave and check back in now and again (never expect - or even try - to be the party named responsible for getting the good stuff done in content disputes).

Here's what's worked for me:

First of all, avoid going head-to-head against an editor (never appear to, at any rate). It puts yourself in a position to be attacked, which you don't want. Don't admit to fault that isn't yours; if it is your fault, you're doing something wrong ;-). Also, don't expect editors to follow your setup on an article talk page; you can expect and request that on the case page, but otherwise it's you who begins at their whim and not the other way around, and that's fine too.

It's best to present yourself as assuming good faith, even when you're not. Always expand on NPOV, V, etc, instead of linking to the pages or copy/pasting policy; it makes you more human. And again, don't go head-to-head against an editor's interpretation of policy unless their position is weak vis-a-vis the other editors.

Lastly, never "go native" in a dispute, and don't take anything personally (by the time you ought to, the editor should be at WQA or worse). Anything you want to suggest should have a consensus rationale, and you want to depend on at least one party from both sides agreeing with your suggestion. Never present an opinion as personal, because once it's personalized, it's POV. Agreeing (or edging around agreement) with one side of a polemical content dispute automatically names you as a party to some folks, and that loses you a ton of mediatorial capital. If it looks like you've lost too much, you can always set the case back to new and leave a few notes for the next mediator.

In your case, I suggest going to the RS noticeboard for the sources being discussed. It's good to take advantage of all the wiki has to offer. Xavexgoem (talk) 02:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC) Also: if you have to suggest sources, they have to be from a source that everyone would have to regard as reliable else they be seen as unreasonable. A good strategy is to weed out the unreasonable and obstinate editors, like separating wheat from chaff.

FairTax
Joshuaingram, just so you are aware, I removed the blog post (hence the formatting issues) that was added to the FairTax talk page by TaxSanity. I hardly ever delete posts, but this one is being posted all over the web. The guy is just placing his rant where ever he can (and it's not very accurate to boot). The talk page is for discussing the article, not spam... so I removed it (along with your post in reply). To your point though, the Tax Panel study is included and referenced heavily in the article. Morphh  (talk) 20:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not time wasted if you learned something from it. So don't feel too bad. :-)  Morphh   (talk) 23:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Welcome
Does anyone know of a userbox that says, "This user is running out of things to do on Wikipedia...suggestions?" I am getting to that place.  Josh  ua In  gram   04:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

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Deleted articles
Yeah, if you're an admin like me, you can find out by just typing in the name and seeing if the edit history indicates a deletion. You have any particular articles in mind? :) John Carter (talk) 22:29, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There was one, but I think it was deleted because it was effectively a definition of the term rather than an encyclopedia article. You can see it here. John Carter (talk) 23:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

==Unfinished Sourcing== Unless you're going to finish sourcing this, please don't touch it.

Beck has authored five books since 2003.

The Real America: Messages from the Heart and Heartland was published by Pocket Books in 2003. An Inconvenient Book was published by Simon and Shuster in 2007. This book was #1 on the New York Times Bestseller for the week of December 9, 2007. The Christmas Sweater was published by Simon and Shuster in 2008. This book was #1 on the New York Times Bestseller for the weeks of November 30, 2008, and December 25, 2008. America's March to Socialism: Why We're One Step Closer to Giant Missile Parades is an audiobook that was published by Simon and Shuster in 2008. An Unlikely Mormon, The Conversion Story of Glenn Beck was published by Deseret Book in 2008 (DVD). Glenn Beck's Common Sense: The Case Against an Out-Of-Control Government, Inspired by Thomas Paine was published by Simon and Shuster in 2009. This book is #1 on the New York Times Bestseller, beginning the week of July 4, 2009, and currently retains that position (10/17/09). Arguing with Idiots: How to Stop Small Minds and Big Government was published by Simon and Shuster in 2009. This book is #1 on the New York Times Bestseller, beginning the week of September 30, 2009, and currently retains that position (10/8/09).
 * Glenn Beck is one of the few people to hit #1 on the New York Times New York Times Bestseller List in three separate categories: Hardcover Non-Fiction (Arguing with Idiots and An Inconvenient Book), Paperback Non-Fiction (Common Sense), and Hardcover Fiction (The Christmas Sweater).

Beck is also the publisher of 'Fusion Magazine', which is a play on the slogan of the The Glenn Beck Program, "The Fusion of Entertainment and Enlightenment."

Books
There is a works section for the list. Please see Layout. Did you include the image also? I was thumbing it and realized there was not a Fir Use Rationale for the specific article. Apologies for frustrating you. Can you think of any way to include the information without it being a list converted into a wall of text?Cptnono (talk)
 * I restored it for now since it is workable. It looks like it should be tightened up. Made comment on the discussion page.Cptnono (talk) 20:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Argh...
No worries. After rereading the complete conversation it is some funny stuff.Cptnono (talk) 20:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Mainstream Media
Have a look at the article's talk page; there's a discussion about copyright happening there.

In short, Conservapedia reserves the right to cancel its licence; that means that Wikipedia cannot assert CC-BY-SA 3.0 for the content you imported. Because of that, we can't use it. TheFeds 02:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

== Your comment here... ==

...made me laugh. I'm guessing you missed the mother of all AfDs. BTW I also offered a keep comment. Take care :) Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  13:17, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know how to read. Were you laughing at me, or did you think it was funny?  Josh  ua In  gram   20:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

And you weren't kidding about that AfD. Jesus, and I thought the political talk pages were bad!  Josh  ua In  gram   20:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Heh, no I wasn't laughing at you. It was just I got a chuckle out of "no one is trying to delete that article" given how seriously 100 or so editors tried to do just that. As I said, I agreed with your actual point about the article. :) Xymmax  So let it be written   So let it be done  20:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

October 2009
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 * Well, if you had waited, I would have explained that it's not vandalism, and therefore doesn't circumvent the 3RR. It's a content dispute.  You need to discuss with the user and come to a consensus, not accuse them of vandalism or of being "a moron", which is considered a personal attack.  Jauerbackdude?/dude. 17:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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