User talk:Josiah Rowe/Archive 6

This archive covers discussion from September and October of 2006.

Comments from blocked user Cretanpride
What part of POV don't you understand? The article is obviously a very lopsided POV. You have to admit that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.246.57.206 (talk • contribs) 02:39, September 5, 2006 (UTC)

You cannot block me. I have infinite IPs. But I will be more civil and easier to deal with. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.246.57.49 (talk • contribs) 02:43, September 5, 2006 (UTC)


 * The struck-through text is Cretanpride's original post, restored as evidence of his unrepentant intent to continue his sockpuppetry.

Hey Mr. Grammar
Regarding your edit on Mindspillage's talk page:

Welcome to the world of Grammardom, where the picky people post!

I really appreciate the laugh you gave me! Ruff Bark away!

Max Headroom Incident in Chicago
In an edit on WTTW you stated: > →External links - since the "Doctor Who" broadcast was a different station, this link is more relevant

What in god's name are you talking about?? The link I placed on WTTW is relevent to The Max Headroom incident which took place twice on two different stations, The first incident took place at 9:14pm on WGN Channel 9 while Dan Roan was doing the Chicago Bears highlights and then almost 2 hours later at 11:10pm on WTTW Channel 11 which was interrupted during Doctor Who Horror of Fang Rock which BTW is the link that I placed in the WTTW article showing a full video of the WTTW incident. In the future please check your information first before you make any changes so you can save your self getting a major reaming. Misterrick 05:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Replied at User talk:Misterrick. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed this!
Speaking of Grammar, You have to join The Project!!! &mdash; Ruff Bark away!

Re:T-man/ The Judge
Hi, Josiah. I understand. I'm sorry, it won't happen again. —Lesfer (t/c/@) 20:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. And that's why I apologize and thank you for reminding me of :D —Lesfer (t/c/@) 20:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability (comedy)
I've created Notability (comedy) to help editors in deciding the notability of comedy- and humor-related articles. You are an editor whom I respect and admire. I would appreciate any commentary you may be able to provide to help hammer it into shape. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 09:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Patroclus
Josiah, can you find me a reference in Homer or anywhere else that asserts that Patroclus is Achilles' cousin? A Train take the 16:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll dig around for one, too! Cheers, A Train take the 17:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Perikles
Another sock of Cretanpride? Note this diff. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Josiah, I think that all Cretanpride has learned is to present a facade of a reasonable editor. Perhaps it's just my bias showing, but judging from the homophobic and racist websites he was drawing his quotes from and the tone of his edits, he was already convinced he knew the truth, and he wasn't interested in hearing anything else. And in fact, he never showed any sign that he had read Thornton's book--anything he quoted is stuff you can find on websites or in blurbs on booksellers' sites. Same for every other source that he quoted. If there's anything of value to be taken from his latest edit, let's use it, but otherwise let's keep our mole-whacking sticks out and use them without remorse. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I see you've decided to put an end to the Cretanpride saga, an action I fully endorse. As for the quality of the loss, lets not overvalue it; I also, like Akhilleus, feel Cretanpride's new position was just a facade, as if there was ever a typical pov-pusher, that's him. Just now a far better editor than Cretanpride could ever have dreamed of becoming will be probably banned by the community; so I have difficulties feeling too sorry for this ban.--Aldux 12:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, I agree; Cretanpride will enter in the glorious family of socky banned users, with guys like Rovoam, Bonaparte, Iasson, Mywayyy and Inanna, who even if banned still insist on editing.
 * As for the name of the editor, it's an old desysopped editor, User:Freestylefrappe, which, I must admit, has a real terrible temper and a disregard for rules that has irritated and exhausted the patience of many admins; so even if he has done so much to counter systemic bias in hardly covered countries like Chad, he'll be probably be banned. But in general, these are really bleak days in wikipedia: I would never, really never, immagine that admins and many of wiki's best editors would have exchanged such words and tones as is happening in the connected Carnildo and Giano affairs :-(--Aldux 17:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to ask this of you
And it's probably not apropro, but several articles are being abused and user's being stalked, attacked, and harrassed by anonymous user 75.3.23.157. He has already been reported to WP:PAIN but nothing has come of it, and his vandalism of our talk pages and personal attacks on us are continuing. Is there any way you can help us out? CaveatLectorTalk 04:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Responded at User talk:75.3.23.157, Talk:Mychal F. Judge and User talk:CaveatLector . —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Two more possible socks of Cretanpride
User:GreekEconomist and User:66.233.19.91 are clearly the same user, from their activity on Talk:Alexander the Great (see this diff). He/they haven't engaged in any policy violations (except possibly violating Cretanpride's ban), so I haven't put in a Checkuser request or taken any other action, but I thought you might be interested. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

It's definitely him, I hadn't noticed this stuff that he blanked out. More Checkuser requests, yay! --Akhilleus (talk) 04:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that the son of Peleus had posted here as well...joy. I'm really not Cretanpride. My IP was originally blocked because I used a Greek name in Greek letters and was therefore confusing. Once the block was lifted I chose the name GreekEconomist. I would really hate to get my credit taken away on articles I've started because of Cretanpride's behavior. I would like to add, my IP address has been used by me and only by me.

By the way someone over myspace posted bulletins in Greek groups and sent messages to me and people in my friends list urging them to support Cretanpride's argument. If your a myspace member perhaps you would like to send this lunatic a message. Here is his URL Regards... GreekEconomist 06:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Josiah, I'm pretty sure it's him, trying to repeat the Ellinas episode. The link he gives to myspace is to a newly created Myspace user, "John", who has only 1 friend, "Tom", who is the default friend given to new myspace users. I don't really know why he gave us this link, except possibly to capture email address or myspace names, but I don't think he was sending us there in good faith. I'm certain he's the same person as Cretanpride. But if you have doubts, perhaps ask Aldux, or an admin who hasn't been involved in this matter yet? --Akhilleus (talk) 16:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Basing myself on his edits, I would never have detected him. But there are a few things extremely suspicious: 1) the story of "Megas Alexandros", the times make this already a strange coincidence 2) typed in a micro-presentation at the user page - common to almost all the accounts C. started 3) an admitted link with C.; many editors forget, or don't type in the block. But all this is absolutely nothing compared to the damning, IMO, IP 66.233.19.91; now we now for certain that C. has used, among other IP's, IP 66.233.19.170. I'm not surprised by what Mackensen said; we're not speaking of California but of an incredibly tiny range. For me, it can only be him.--Aldux 17:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. And don't worry it's him, I've just made a thorough control of the edits and found all a series of links that connect him to Cretanpride and his sock Herakles.--Aldux 19:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh well, it's not such a secret; reading carefully the articles he started or created, I found that many had a common element: people of Cretan origin, like the created by him Notis Sfakianakis. Better still, the other article he created, Elli Kokkinou, has a long and complex deletion and recreation story; give a look here ; among those that recreated the article stands User:Perikles, a CU verified sock of C. A name that compares a lot in the deletion history is that of User:Etternus. I suspect this also is a sock of C..--Aldux 20:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * See my comments at User talk:Aldux and User talk:GreekEconomist. I have unblocked GreekEconomist.  After independent investigating, I can see no compelling reason to block here, particularly since GreekEconomist hasn't been following Cretanpride's contribution pattern, and besides, Cretanpride is blocked only for sockpuppetry, so I don't see the damage in allowing one account to exist.  I explained myself thoroughly at GreekEconomist's talk page, but also on Aldux's.  Mango juice talk 12:34, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Josiah, Thanks for looking out for me but that message from "james" did not bother me all that much. I think the fellow needs space to spout off since he can no longer edit. I also think that this is a way for him to deal with issues that may be too difficult for him to face openly. I'd say the best policy is to give space and engage constructively. Best, Haiduc 04:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Not on Jimbo's page

 * Maybe I took it too seriously (not really sure if that is possible!) but I certainly do not have the experience you have with this person. I never had any interaction with them ever before.  Generally kooks are harmless.  I remember a woman who barked and snapped at me once (no, it was not a private encounter, it was on the street -- what were you thinking!) and even she seemed relatively harmless.  But how can you be sure?  Do political, religious and other ideas sometimes give rise to bad behaviors in otherwise harmless people?  I think the wife of a preacher recently shot her husband because of religious pressures.  Seems that a fellow who used to wear rainbow wigs and preach Christianty at sports events wigged out and kidnapped and threatened people.   I'm not sure that you can always predict the future of kooks based upon their innocent past.  I'm not looking to justify my reaction or over-reaction.  If I was too aggressive then I apologize, but without some guidance, my personal morality directs my actions and I am not able to promise I wouldn't overreact again.  However, as a trained tool of the system, if I can have a well-thought out guidance document or procedure to refer to, I feel comforted in knowing that potentially critical decisions do not need to be made in a time of stress.


 * I have said enough on this by at least 2-fold, so I will just shut up now! I thank you for being patient with me and I apologize for problems or stress or heat or whatever that I caused. --Blue Tie 23:04, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Cretans
It was a cretan who wrote: The Cretans, always liars, evil beasts, idle bellies!

--Blue Tie 00:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Cretanpride
About me giving into the blackmail: my bad. :-( I'm just not used to this—at least I know what to do in the future. Ciao. &mdash; Khoikhoi 01:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot, I appreciate it. I got the same "it was all a joke" email myself. At least it's all over (I hope). &mdash; Khoikhoi 04:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Copyedit request
Hi Josiah. Hope you're well. Over on the FAC page for Verity Lambert, some concerns have been raised that the article needs a good copyedit. I have tried to address the concerns raised by my own copyedit, but as you know I wrote most of the article and it's always harder to be ruthlessly objective about your own work. I was wondering, if you have the time, if you could possibly give the article a copyedit to try and help address the FAC concerns? I thought I'd ask you always seem very good on the technical aspects of writing, and the subject is one you seem to be interested in.

Anyway, no worries if you're too busy or something, just thought I'd drop you a line and see. Angmering 17:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Cheers Josiah. Hope the show goes well! Angmering 10:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for doing that Josiah, it was very kind of you. Let's hope it addresses the concerns that were raised. Cheers! Angmering 19:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Jennys' name
Hi there, I just responded to an ancient question that you left at Talk:The Wailin' Jennys. Ciao. -MrFizyx 22:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Fun Home addition
Man, that must have been hard to write! I would have been so tempted to say, "GODDAMN PEOPLE TRYING TO BAN BOOKS OMG". Well, maybe not, but I think it reads pretty neutrally. Cheers! -- Merope Talk 05:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Alexander the Great
Hi Josiah, I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a low-grade edit war going on over at Alexander the Great, regarding whether there should be a category to reflect the section in the article on Alexander's sexuality. I tried an RfC on this, but that was during the Cretanpride period, and the discussion was filled with sockpuppets. Currently there doesn't seem to be consensus either way; can you suggest a good way to get outside input? RfCs seem like a waste of time to me, as very few editors respond; I'm not sure how else to get input. --Akhilleus (talk) 02:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Josiah, believe me, I understand how you feel, and unless you really feel like it, I don't think you should involve yourself in the dispute, because it seems intractable. My question is more a procedural one: if an RfC doesn't generate consensus, and an edit war continues, what's the next step? --Akhilleus (talk) 02:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * slight update: I filed a new RfC. Perhaps we'll get a clear consensus this time; but like I said, please don't feel obligated to get involved, because you certainly deserve some peace and quiet after your heroic efforts in dealing with the Cretanpride mess. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Josiah, I just left a couple of messages for Akhilleus and Aldux on this - it seems to me dangerous to allow the imposition of personal opinion (or worse) since it is only likely to embolden those who are forcing their views to continue to do so. A recent edit comment by one editor was very revealing: "The Discussion Does not Warrant This Category given the evidence is not there; if that's the case we might as well place sexual oriented categories in every ancient Greek biography." That to me speaks volumes about where this is headed. What is your opinion? Haiduc 16:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks
Hey -- thanks for fixing the current thingy, now I *really* know how it's done. --Jaibe 07:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

RfC on Alex the Great, again
By now I'm a certified paranoiac, but this makes my sockpuppet radar go off. Certainly meets the definition of a single-purpose account. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Is a checkuser necessary? If so, I'll place it; but they seem to be a little more restrictive on what they'll do a checkuser on now. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I am filing an RFCU now. But I think they may refuse it on the grounds that it's a throwaway account. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, the RFCU is filed, so I guess we can just wait and see. By the time a Checkuser gets to it, we'll probably have a better idea of what to do--maybe Takidis will make more posts that give us a better idea of what's going on, or he'll have left. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:57, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Like this, for instance. I suppose Takidis is technically no longer an single-purpose account. --Akhilleus (talk) 01:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The truly irritating thing about our (alleged) sockpuppet is that I felt like we were actually getting somewhere today, and now it seems like it's up in smoke. Thanks for proposing the compromise, anyway--I thought that it was very helpful, maybe we'll be able to build on it in the future. --Akhilleus (talk) 02:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, and also, I'm sorry that you got dragged into the middle of a contentious issue again. Ultimately, what I would really like is to have a larger group of editors involved, because the situation could really use some new voices. But the RfCs don't seem to bring in people for more than a comment or two. (I am probably not helping the situation by being so argumentative myself.) Can you suggest another way to get more editors involved? --Akhilleus (talk) 02:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

As I thought, the RFCU was refused because it's a throwaway account. Personally, I think we've got a pretty good sense of what CP's contribution pattern looks like, and we can trust our intuition that it's him. --Akhilleus (talk) 02:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Stuff
Know nothing about Take That!? Ian Levine's finest work, man! ;-) (They even had a Dalek toy on the front of one of their albums...).

Anyway, seeing that you've added a reviews section to Torchwood, I was wondering if you thought it would also be worth, come Monday, adding more specific response sections to the individual episode pages, as I've been doing with the Robin Hood episodes? (See here and here). Angmering 07:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

fireworks
you don't have to have been watching a page to see them, just have a look at the history.

BTW, I saw the max headroom WTTW / Dr. Who interruption.--Jaibe 19:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

U-Haul Lesbian
Thank you so much. I was that people would have to defend this topic again after a mere two months, especially in light of what has recently been done in creating a helpful outline for suggesting the different directions to be developed. I have added several links around the LGBT (on appropriate topics only), so I am hoping to heighten this topic's profile. The more people who drop by, the faster it will grow. --A green Kiwi in learning mode 23:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, this is the second time someone has put up the template in the last few days - by seemingly different visitors. By the way, for future use, can you please tell me where these issues are debated.  On the talk page?  On some special page??   For I saw that one of these two visitors seem to have it on the nominations page again. --A green Kiwi in learning mode 00:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Josiah Rowe,

I noticed that you are one of the main editors of the article “Homosexuality in Ancient Greece” In a few minutes I will post on the article Homosexuality in Ancient Greece. I expect you and everyone else to assume good faith and proceed with the discussion. I know that you suspect that I’m Cretanpride. I assure you that I am not. It is rather unfortunate that checkuser had to be declined. I recommend that you request another one so I can clear my name. I happen to think that my edit on the discussion page will be constructive, and it will be backed with sources. You will shortly realize that I am not Cretanpride, but I insist that you request another checkuser to clear my name. Ciao. Takidis 21:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the help! Jessica_simpson121

Requesting comments for Lost episodes
Requesting comments for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines - a debate over the use of disambiguation titles for episode articles of a TV show when no disambiguation is needed. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Ned Scott 20:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the news
And sorry to be bugging you so much lately, I'm just frustrated with how things have been going. --Akhilleus (talk) 01:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Josiah see my edit in Talk:homosexuality of ancient Greece - this has nothing to do with any homophobias. Miskin 01:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)