User talk:Journalist/Archive 18

Ruined clean page.
Yeah. I know. Real constructive. the_undertow talk  23:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. My thoughts exactly lol. Oran e (talk)  02:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, my edit summary was "Whatev." I was going to say something about internet police of nuns with rulers, but I though both too inappropriate. :P  Lara  ❤  Love  03:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, I had a feeling that you were joking. I even had a witty response. But I guess it's too late to use it now. I have difficulties picking up on sarcasm, something that I need to work on :P.Oran e (talk)  04:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Just practice telling jokes, I think you've given me one so far, in over two years. (Excluding the youtube link) That'll help you pick up on sarcasm. :P K O S | talk  04:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Celine Dion Grammy
What you are saying doesn't even make any sense. Just because Celine Dion is a French-Canadian artist doesn't mean that her awards should be limited to the Juno's. The Grammy Awards are the most prestigious in the music industry and are internationally known. She has won five of them. If you wish to be a fair contributing member of Wikipedia, then you shouldn't be reverting factual edits. If other artists that are similar to Celine have "Grammy Award-winning" in their leads, then a reference of Celine's Grammy accomplishments should be implemented in her article.PatrickDion22 (talk) 04:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry!
Sorry about the block. I clicked the wrong username while looking through the pagemoves. :S Nishkid64 (talk) 03:38, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OMG you blocked me? lol. It's fine. Don't worry about it; didn't even notice. Oran e (talk)  03:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Mariah Carey FAR
Mariah Carey has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

 * I'll get back to you on the page soon..... Dfrg.msc 10:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Just want to make sure that you see full criticism of Mariah Carey site
Hi, I just want to make sure that you see all of my criticism of the Mariah Carey site. What you saw was an early version that did not have everything yet.Boab 05:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

mariah carey picture
first of all, the image i put is an album cover, which was already uploaded and used by wikipedia so there's no copy right issues here, second, the image i put represents Miss Carey better than 'i still believe video' and this image is taken from a video, which doesn't give it any priority over the cover of Miss Carey's album. and i want to note that the way her hair looks can only be seen on this video only, her make up too, thats why i think this image doesn't represent her well,however her album cover is used more and that image was published for the press for promotional reasons too. please do not change the picture i'm putting. if there's any problem or if i'm saying anything wrong please explain it to me in my talk page. thank you. (Taksam 19:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC))

In Remembrance...
--nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 23:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

My RfA
Hey O! Yes the time has finally come. Thanks so much for your support in my successful RfA. I'm humbled to have the community's trust. As I master the ways of the mop and bucket, please don't hesitate to message me for any advice or corrections. Cheers! Spellcast 00:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Block of
Just to let you know that I've blocked this user for 72 hours as they continued to upload copyrighted images without licenses or rationales in spite of your numerous warnings. WjBscribe 21:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Normally, I'd support the block, since he has ignored my warnings since the first time I approached him. But on this occasion, I'm curious to know why exactly he was blocked. He has only uploaded two new images sine the last time I warned him, and the only thing lacking were rationales (they had sources and template licensing). I haven't been on Wikipedia for a while due to school, but is it a blockable offense nowadays, considering that policies are continually updated, to block a user for failing to use rationals (he probably doesn't know how to use them)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Journalist (talk • contribs) 05:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * He uploaded more than two, did you check the ones that I deleted? There are two images that merely lacked rationales but a further 5 that had no copyright information at all ... WjBscribe 12:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Your link showed that he uploaded only five images after I warned him. I warned him on the 13th, and he uploaded five images after that&mdash; two on the 14th and three on the 15th, all of which had proper tags and sources (the html appears beside the images in the link that you gave me). The only thing they lacked were rationales, which he probably doesn't know how to provide. According to Image:Diamondcrimemob.jpg, which I restored, he even tagged the image and requested help with the licensing.


 * I believe the block to be unjustified. It's probably up by now, but if its not, I'm requesting that he be unblocked. He didn't necessarily follow my suggestion about not uploading any images (after all, I can't control him), but he did make an effort to provide proper source info. Somehow, when you were deleting his images, you stated that they lacked source and copyright info. But as Image:Diamondcrimemob.jpg indicates, that is not entirely the case.


 * This is just a huge misunderstanding. Oran e (talk)  20:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind
Disregard my last msg. His block expired, and he's at it again. And this time, he's being spiteful. <font color="navy" face="Garamond">Oran <font color ="green" face="Garamond">e <font face="Garamond">(talk)  23:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Erm, I'm confused - the page you restored (Image:Diamondcrimemob.jpg) has no license info at all - just the standard "The individual who uploaded this work found it on an unconfirmed website" label. That wasn't a specific tag chosen by him, it is added if someone says they don't know the copyright of the image on the drop down menu on the upload screen. I can't see how selecting that is any better than giving no license at all... Also, you only restored the image description, not the image itself... WjBscribe 01:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas



 * Happy holiday season from me too! Hope it's a good one for you. <font color="#151B8D">Knowledge <font color="#6D7B8D">Of <font color="#461B7E">Self | <font color="#461B7E">talk  05:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas. Very happy to hear yours is going well. Dropped by to thank you for your very thoughtful note. My RfA was early Nov and quite stressful, but I appreciate the belated support all the same. :) Have a wonderful New Year!  Lara  ❤  Love  20:56, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Beyonceirreplaceablesingle.jpg)
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All by Myself
Hi, Orane can you help me with the "All by Myself" article? Till now it had a Celine Dion section but some people removed it. I have left my opinion on the talk page. Thanks. Max24 (talk) 18:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

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Copy-editing
Could you please help cleaning-up B'Day? --BritandBeyonce (talk) 08:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, glad to hear you. I'll try my best first&mdash;currently working&mdash;to clean-up the article and seek assistance for a thorough copy-edit once I'll be finished. Thank you. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 00:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'll be gearing up for this article to gain GA status this February 1. It's my birthday. Thank you for the editing on the lead. It's more succinct. BritandBeyonce (talk) 06:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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A page you dealt with
I have just "stubbed" and left an OTRS notification on a page in which you have been fairly heavily involved. I have not changed the associated page protection, although I was a little surprised to see it indefinitely protected in the first place. While I sort through what's going on with that page and an associated OTRS case, I'd appreciate your cooperation in keeping the article fairly "stub"-ish. Thanks! - Philippe &#124; Talk 06:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

PCD
Hi Journalist, you left a message on my talk page a couple of weeks ago regarding the the Pussycat Dolls. I don't know if you saw my response or not, which is here. Thanks! Acalamari 16:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for understanding, and no, you were not rude or fussy. :) Acalamari 16:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Copyvio?
Back in May 2007, you deleted Image:96946362in0.th.jpg as a copyvio. Would you consider Image:Pcdos4.jpg (from the same uploader) to also be one? Spellcast (talk) 07:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Bye Bye (Mariah Carey song)
You might think I'm aghast at the article's restoration, but I'm not. My real concern was a sockpuppet circumventing community consensus. However, since the song has been released, it should give evidence of individual notability, which I will be looking for. I'm not a deletionist, I swear! :-) - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 12:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Jamaican Patois
Hi, you're probably confused by the IPA transcription used at Jamaican Patois. You should take a look at Help:IPA to give yourself an understanding of the International Phonetic Alphabet. The transcription system used at Jamaican Patois is phonemic, so that the word for swim is transcribed as even though it's actually pronounced. The labialization of the is predictable entirely on phonological grounds (at least, according to Harry 2006). This edit is not accurate as you are confusing IPA transcription with English spelling. The way you've changed it, "the five birds" would be pronounced as "dee feevay beard." The transcription of "bird" as is backed up theoretically by Frederic Cassidy in "Multiple Etymologies in Jamaican Creole" (American Speech vol 41(3)) on pages 212-213 where he says "English preconsonantal /r/ is regularly lost in Creole and the preceding is represented, as here, by, phonetically ." Thus words like ('dirty'),  (push work; 'irregular employment'),   as well as  ('hurry'). is attested in Patrick (1995) on page 243: "guinea bird n [DJE 1774, 'obs'] African-born man or woman during and after slavery time (disdainful) (still in use in song known to Kumina groups in St. Thomas and to Maroons of Portland)..." I recommend that, before you alter the Jamaican Patois page, that you read up on the sources used and either familiarize yourself with the IPA or make a case in the talk page for some other transcription system. Also remember that Jamaican Patois is not Jamaican English. — Æµ§œš¹ <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"> [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 09:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Heya O
Hey Orane, I like the new user page. I just want to let you know that you wrote "His hobbies include going to the gym, and going to the gym." Dunno know if it was by mistake or not. Just wanted to let ya know buddy. :) Later! Knowledge Of Self  &#124;  talk  23:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Things are peachy keen, I'm an equipment operator for Pearson Education now. Things are going pretty good! Yourself? Knowledge Of Self  &#124;  talk  00:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is! It's just a fancy way of saying I drive forklifts for a living. ;) Shit winter here too. Hey Orane, can you get on IRC? Better way to catch up! :) Knowledge Of Self  &#124;  talk  00:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Beyonce
As the recent author of the article and a non-native English, I would like to ask your assistance in bringing it to GA, or possible FA. Could you highlight some offending grammars of the article? You can put your comments on the article's PR or on the talk page. Thank you very much. --Efe (talk) 05:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll wait. Thanks for the compliment; if you find some minor glitches on that article, just hit the edit button. I believe its not perfect, but a good one. =) BTW, please visit the talk page of Beyonce Knowles article because of the ongoing war about the main image. I will post comments there. See yah and thanks a lot. --Efe (talk) 02:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * FYI, B'Day is now a GA. --Efe (talk) 03:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Orane. I think its fine to leave the lead clean. Anyway, its fully sourced below. About removing the two, they're not reliable. --Efe (talk) 03:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Favor? Can we just put it like that. I personally like that way. Anyway, if they demand to put an inline source directly on that passage (in FAC soon), I'll be happy to add them. --Efe (talk) 04:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you very much. BTW, I am waiting for your comments on the article. --Efe (talk) 04:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. Have a "Beautiful Nightmare". --Efe (talk) 04:58, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Its lunch time here in Philippines. --Efe (talk) 05:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * hello there. can you please chech for Beyonce's "Deja Vu" if the prose and content is up for FAC? Thanks. --Efe (talk) 08:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Orane. Thanks for the ce and for the barnstar and for the compliment to the article. With your comments, I'll pass it now to FAC. I left comments on the talk page; please check. Thanks. =) --Efe (talk) 05:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Orane. It failed. --Efe (talk) 08:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Im back with "Deja Vu". But it needs some minor, I think, copy editing. --Efe (talk) 23:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Its here: Featured article candidates/Déjà Vu (Beyoncé Knowles song). Thanks for the comments. I replied there. --Efe (talk) 12:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

star for you
It is very noble of you to discuss the Celine Dion issue in ANI rather than use your administrative powers in the article. Hello from a fellow Wikipedian. Spevw (talk) 21:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

But, see this. You are basically being accused of gaming the system here, although that post could also fairly be described as another variant of "The Wrong Version".

How do you want to proceed? It doesn't look like you're convincing them on the talk page. Do you want more time? Or should we open an article RFC on this? Daniel Case (talk) 04:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Pussycat Dolls template
Hi Journalist, you moved The Pussycat Dolls to the title it is today, Pussycat Dolls. In July of last year, I [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:The_Pussycat_Dolls#Name_Change. started a discussion] on the template for the Pussycat Dolls. Would you mind giving your input there? Thank you. Acalamari 18:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Jamaican Creole
Hi! Do you speak Jumieka Langwi? I'm thinking of create a Wikipedia to this Patois. Would you help me? --Jeneme (talk) 10:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Simple English Wikipedia
As you guessed, SEW is geared towards people for who English is a second language and to children. It is different in that articles are shorter and use simpler sentences and less complex words. I don't speak for The Rambling Man, but I find it an interesting project whose existence is necessary. It's quite a different experience and mindset to write articles as simply as possible. In some cases the SEW has better articles than its big brother, though not alwayss. 72.67.43.186 (talk) 08:03, 28 June 2008 (UTC) (Cassandra)

Happy First Edit Day
Idontknow 610 TM 18:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Pride
My Pride was actually kind of boring...was supposed to watch the parade with friends, as usual, but my one friend who actually had a cel phone with him couldn't hear it over the noise, so I never managed to actually hook up with them and spent the whole day wandering aimlessly through the crowd. Blergh.

And actually, yeah, gay culture does mostly hinge itself on dance music...which is why a guy with musical taste like mine doesn't go out to clubs all that much :-) Bearcat (talk) 13:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Sales and charts achievements for Mariah Carey
I have nominated Sales and charts achievements for Mariah Carey, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Sales and charts achievements for Mariah Carey. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Tenacious D Fan (talk) 09:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Jackson
Thank you for you contribution to the MJ article. — Realist 2  ( Speak ) 20:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanx, "Remember the Time" is one of my favorites too. — Realist 2  ( Speak ) 20:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

You can revert your change to the Musician template
You started a discussion. And then went ahead and made changes without waiting for any response and consensus. Could you please rv your change until a consensus is reached. Thank you. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 00:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Cheers and take care! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 04:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just noticing. Template:Infobox Musical artist2 which contains the rejected field and is a template not supported by WP:MUSICIAN should be speedy deleted quickly as it has already been mistakenly used on a couple of different articles. Thanks again for following up on your hasty change. Perhaps you can put it forward again another day as an option for the Musician Project to ponder. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 00:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I've corrected the Mariah Carey article. Just to further note on how Allmusic has been rejected as a reliable source for genres; One of the listed entries in the box was adult contemporary. I am guessing this error comes from blindly using Allmusic as a cut/paste for the content of the field. But it demonstrates a key reason why the genre/style split won't work on Wiki. Adult contemporary is a radio format and not a genre or style at all. The same problem pops up often when editors mistakenly add AOR into the genre box. Again a clear radio format and not a genre or style and yet it is used incorrectly in many Allmusic articles. Wikipedia clearly defines these terms as radio formats and not genres so adding them into the infobox and using allmusic as a support is, in fact adding contradictory information and also blatantly false information as well. The use of "classic rock" is another example. Its a radio format and not a genre. But it gets mistakenly added as genre sometimes on Wikipedia, usually by new editors who don't know Wiki's accepted formats. There are still a few more pages using the test template with the rejected field. If you don't have time to correct them yourself let me know and I will correct them for you. Cheers and take care. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 00:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * First off, you don't get to decide what works on Wikipedia. A discussion among five people does not dictate a binding policy on Wikipedia. I was told that the project may not accept the change to "their" infobox. I was not told that it was imperative that I use that particular infobox, that it is binding, or that I can't edit the way I choose. Wikipedia isn't a democracy.
 * Notice this: A short while ago, the Wikipedia FA crtieria advised that potential featured articles "should comply with the standards set out in the style manual and relevant WikiProjects." That statement has now been removed, which may imply that it has been recognized that not everyone agrees with the various projects, and they in no way dictate how people should act. Seriously, don't overestimate your project's "jurisdiction".


 * Adult contemporary is a radio format according to what/who? An article that lacks any sort of inline citations and references? AC is a radio format, yes, but it also denotes the style of music played on said radio. If you ask me, it's the articles within Wikiepdia that are "blatantly false" and need to be corrected and updated. Editors like you seem to esteem "consensus" (among, like, 3 people?) over Citing actual sources, which is a major reason why Wikipedia is falling to pieces. Cheers and take care! <font color="navy" face="Garamond">Oran <font color ="green" face="Garamond">e <font face="Garamond">(talk)  01:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My comments to you were not meant to extract a violation of WP:CIVIL or WP:NPA from you. I was only trying to assist you where you were making an error. I can see you are dedicated to trying to improve Wikipedia. But your passion for your opinion and your rejection of a consensus by a very busy WikiProject is not worth being de-sysop'd over. When I receive barnstars or push article to featured status it is not with the intention of making "WIkipedia fall to pieces". I do not see where you think that is what I am doing and am confused by the attack. I would think, as I near 30000 edits, that my dedication here wouldn't be questioned. I have been asked to allow my name to stand for RfA at least 20 times since I started here. And receive at least one email a week asking me to take on the mop. But I have rejected this honour in favour of doing what I do best... simply editing based on policy, community and consensus. I know the responsibility you have taken on by accepting the toolbox. And I sincerely hope that, though proper channels withing the Musician Project that you proposal may be accepted someday. But I just wish that in the future you are a bit more polite with me when I try to help. Cheers! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 02:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh it isn't "my" box. :) . "My" box was the beautiful/simple Guitarist Infobox (since removed). The Guitarist Project reluctantly voted to delete our infobox in favour of the Musician Project box after they agreed to included the instrument field (which, like all of the others, get abused). We agreed with the format as it was as long as it wasn't chenged without our project being consulted. (again more towards the field we requested) I personally do not like the voice_type field. It believe the history of that one goes to the Opera WikiProject. So, even though I do not line it, I respect that wish to have it there. I also do not like the origin field as it is never used properly. It should be a "band only" field. One fundamental field that is strangely missing is a "birthplace" field. Which means 'birthplace' has to be added as a coded break entry into the birth date field.(which as mentioned earlier, is rarely done properly) I also have had a major dislike of the colour choices right from the get-go. The coloured background field was the main reason the Guitarist Project created its own box in the first place. Oh well, we live with what we live with. The battle ground over the colours in that field was so fierce that I hope it never gets revisited (even though I don't like them) just because the battle caused a lot of wheel spinning and was a road block to productivity where music related articles were concerned. Consensus within the Song and Album projects seems to come so easy. But within the Musician Project... the battle field never seem to go away. But productive debate is good. And, in the end, Wikipedia will be better someday. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 02:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to further comment I would like to note, after seeing you refer to the WikiProject Musicians as "my" project several times... I am not a member of that project. Never have been. Never will be. But I am the driving wedge for the Guitarist Project whose tagged articles cross over many of the the articles marked by the Musician Project. Since the musician Infobox is shared by numerous music projects (except the composer project who flatly rejected the entire box and do not use it) proper protocol should be that whenever a proposed change to the box is introduced an alert should be placed on on the Project "siblings" so that all can take part. Unfortunatly this doesn't happen often so each project has members who "hawk" the Musician project so that nothing slips through the cracks. We all work towards the better "wiki-good". But the communication lines could always be improved. Even ours :). I see your dedication to the Wikipedia Project. Hopefully you see mine a little better too. I do hope we can find a common ground and perhaps we can work together on a Featured Article someday. I've done several. But I haven't pushed an FA is quite a while. I am overdue for one. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 02:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Chew On This
Regarding your move of this page,it's true that "on" is a preposition,but the actual name comes before grammar. Look at the cover,"on" is capitalized. The same reasoning is used for One Shot At Love. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 21:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said before,the actual name per the cover comes before grammar. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 21:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Per this discussion,my reasoning is correct. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 22:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That wasn't a discussion to change the policy,the reasonings in it where from the policy. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 22:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Chopard Diamond Award for Celine
I notice you reverted my edits. The Chopard Diamond award is not given to the "Best selling artist" it is given to an artist who sales more then 100 million records worldwide, you can view this information a the WMA website. Celine Dion is not the best selling female artist, and it is close to impossible to prove who is but there are about five other women who have sold more then 200 million records worldwide, so to make that claim is just "un-encyclopedic" PhoenixPrince (talk) 06:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

"Did I, or did I not provide a clip of the show on the article talk page? Despite the information provided on the website, did the show not declare her as the best selling?"
 * The WMA are not the world authority on who is the best selling artist.

"Aren't there hundreds of credible sources in the article and on the web to back up the statement?"


 * No there are only two sources that list her sales, the one from her own website, and the one form WMA, however there are many more sources and more credible sources that say Madonna is including, Guiness and Forbes along with countless other magazines.

"Now that I've gotten that out of my system, let me see if I can explain it more clearly. The major issue we're dealing with here is that of "attribution". Here on Wikipedia, when we make a claim, we cite sources to support that claim. Answer me this question: Do the sources not say that Dion is the best selling? Yes they do. The article does not state that Dion is truthfully and undoubtedly the best-selling. It said, according to these sources, she is the best selling, which is accurate; the sources actually stated this. Whether or not sales add up is not up to us to decide (there is a policy that says No original research). What matters is what the sources say."


 * It says no where in the article that "according to these sources she is the best selling..."

BTW no I did not notice the video you posted until you said something, you do not need to be rude or condescending to me. PhoenixPrince (talk) 07:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Indefinite full protection?
Indefinite full protection for Celine Dion because you were locked in an edit war? Even though you were on the right side of the exchange, that's not an acceptable use of article protection, especially since you are far from an uninvolved admin with respect to that article. Kww (talk) 10:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You are right. My apologies. I've unpotected the article. Usually, I don't protect the article in cases like these. However, I approached the situation differently because this isn't simply an edit dispute where either of us could be right (like our dispute). I was reverting a change that conflicted with the attribution/citing sources policy, and I thought that this gave me more leverage. In any case, I was only planning to protect the article for a very short while. <font color="navy" face="Garamond">Oran <font color ="green" face="Garamond">e <font face="Garamond">(talk)  17:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Bring em Out
"Em" is part of "them". However,it comes after the 1st letter. So it shouldn't be capitalized. The same thing applies for Back 'n the Day ("Back in the Day"). XxJoshuaxX (talk) 00:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Come now!
That wasn't necessary old friend.

On to the first joke in a long long time. 'How do you find virgin wool?!?!?! You look for the ugliest sheep!' Cheers bud. Knowledge Of Self &#124;  talk  06:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)