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 * I see Philippine history had a complicated part Specially on this matter they are fragmented pre-colonial states, But  Although they are many individual fragmented pre-colonial states ,these societies that scattered in the islands  would be later become the Philippines, That means They are inside the Philippine archipelago, they are Philippines nor part of the Philippines history, What makes the Philippines today is because We had been started from these states and barangays etc..(except for its name which given by Magellan by looking the Philippines article), And does your message or the message of any members here are allowed to be remove?(JournalmanManila (talk) 03:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC))


 * Irrelevant. That is like saying the emperors and Dalai Lamas of Tibet were leaders or heads of state/government of China. Or that the British Governors of Hong Kong, the Portuguese Governors of Macau or Islamic leaders of Xinjiang were also leaders of China just because they existed within the present-day territory of the People's Republic of China. You have a skewed view of history just like User:Philipandrew2.--RioHondo (talk) 05:02, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Alright take it easy, i got what you trying to say, let it be this time Happy editing! (JournalmanManila (talk) 05:54, 11 August 2016 (UTC))

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Hi JournalmanManila.

First of all, thank you for you interest in Wikipedia. You've been doing a lot of editing, and that's a good thing. We could use the help. That said, I feel that since we keep running into each other on Philippine Pre-history and Proto-history articles, I need to express some concerns about the accuracy and verifiability of some of your edits.

I have two major reminders

1 Please make sure all your facts are supported by sources. The wikipedia policies relevant to this are Verifiability and No original research. As much as possible, please do this for EVERY fact, because sometimes a difference of a single letter can spark controversy. A good guide is Identifying reliable sources

2 Please be very very careful to never engage in speculation. I've noticed that you like to "complete" articles by adding as much information as possible, using interpretations of the facts based on what seems to make sense (what might seem like "logical conclusions"). I understand the appeal of having answers to questions (how big was Tondo's territory? What did its flag look like?). It's WHY I'm on wikipedia, myself; because these questions are begging for answers. But the answers have to be scholarly, or we might be misleading researchers, especially those just beginning in a field. The relevant guidelines for this are in No_original_research and Fringe theories.


 * A good example of this is a map. My expertise is the southern banks of Laguna de Bay so I'll use that. In ancient times, the territory called "Mainit" was once a territory (Sheniak, David & Anita Feleo, "Rizal and Laguna: Lakeside Sister Provinces", in Alejandro, Reyndaldo Gamboa, Laguna de Bay: The Living Lake. 2002) of the ancient town of Vahi (Jocano, F.L., Filipino Worldview. 2001.), circa 1500.  Today, Mainit is known as "Los Baños." (Ibid.)  But the "Mainit" described in literature was a small area on the shores of the Dampalit river; the modern town of Los Baños is a much bigger entity.  If you make a map shows that all of the Barangays in modern Los Baños were a part of Mainit, some of that may not be accurate. If someone finds a hoard of artifacts in Barangay Lalakay and dates it back to 1500, and looks at your map, he may conclude that the artifacts must have belonged to someone associated with Bay.  Except we aren't ABSOLUTELY sure about that. For all we know, Barangay Lalakay could once have been under the administration of Calamba.  Or even Biñan, depending on the era.  Just because Lalakay is part of modern day LB doesn't mean it was definitely under Mainit, and therefore under Bay.  The person doing the research will find NO OTHER SOURCE claiming otherwise, and will therefore tend to attribute the find to the people of protohistoric Bay, when in fact, it could have just as easily been artifacts from protohistoric Biñan. (Er, if you know the area, this is sorta moot, since Lalakay is a walking distance from the Dampalit River in Barangay Anos. But the point is, WE CAN'T SPECULATE.) - Alternativity (talk) 04:11, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, please take note that even if this discussion is just on your TALK PAGE, I looked up two references (not to mention I spent YEARS trying to acquire a copy of the Alejandro book), consulted three maps (a contemporary political one, a geographical gradient map from NAMRIA, and google earth), and agonized over what constitutes "walking distance." It took me an entire hour to write that paragraph; I must reiterate the request for similar thoroughness.

3. My last note isn't a reminder in the strict sense, because it's a very specific appliction of Neutral point of view: to avoid distorting anthropologically estabilsh-able facts, is it possible for us to try NOT to view historical details through a modern lens? This is why this is important to me: because I'm writing a novel I've spent the last fifteen years trying to piece together an idea of what day-to-day life was like in prehistoric (Pre-700AD) Southern Tagalog. (Which means I have to look at proto-historic [700-1560s] descriptions/sources. And I'm trying to undo pre-concieved notions of, say, the powers of a "king", or the obligations of a "slave."  That's as important to my plot as knowing that there were no Guava trees in pre-colonial Philippines (I don't use the term "pre-colonial" lightly) and therefore protohistoric warriors could not have used Guava leaves as an antiseptic.  Now, don't get me wrong: Wikipedia shouldn't be written like a technical journal.  But all I ask is that articles NOT contain anything that is NOT TRUE, or NOT PROVABLE.  I think Neutral point of view and Verifiability support my position there.

So.... there. This note has taken me four hours to write. Please, can we come to an agreement about the importance of precision and accuracy?

Thank you! - Alternativity (talk) 04:11, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

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Repeating warnings to comply with Wikipedia policies to always cite sources, something you have not been doing in multiple edits to Ma-i, Kingdom of Namayan, and Kingdom of Tondo, among others. Thank you. Alternativity (talk) 08:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Please stop adding unsourced content. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. (Tondo is not just a polity (tribes) but a Kingdom Indianized Kingdom (JournalmanManila (talk) 08:41, 30 January 2017 (UTC)) further more Mai-Might Disputable, unlike Tondo and Namayan namayan is cited as an Indianized Kingdom (or a Mandala) in sanskrit terminologies , Not the Popularized term as a bunch of Tribes in a small communities , so it was a kingdom (In Reference to the LCI). its sourced by references (JournalmanManila (talk) 08:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC))
 * Thanks for your concern, I making sure of All things are clear of Unsourced Matterials i doing a Fix checking for these files make sure these are supported with references . I.E. Clean up

Some Helpful Links
Hi! Considering concerns that have been raised so far, I thought it might be a good idea to give you a set of links that you can study, so that you don't face any more issues regarding Verifiability, Original Research, and Sources.


 * To understand why sources are needed, see the core content policy at Verifiability
 * To understand why not including sources is bad, see the core content policy at No Original Research
 * Some sources are more reliable than others. For help in identifying reliable sources, see Identifying reliable sources

If I may quote the No Original Research's section on Verifiability, because it's relevant: "...Even if you're sure something is, it be verifiable before you can add it. The policy says that all material challenged or likely to be challenged, and all quotations, needs a reliable source; what counts as a reliable source is described here" .

Thanks and happy editing in the future! - Alternativity (talk) 10:08, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * this is gonna be helpful, thanks (JournalmanManila (talk) 10:16, 30 January 2017 (UTC))

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