User talk:Jovani12

I am Jovan Milojevich. I was born in Walnut Creek, California. I played for F.K. Budućnost Podgorica for the 1995-1996 season. I made my debut in the Yugo 1st Division against Red Star Belgrade (in Belgrade) in September 1995. Here is a link to a recent article about me in Holland: http://www.limburger.nl/article/20071004/SPORT01/71004008/1056

I went there for a year (season 2007-2008) to get my UEFA coaching license (I coached the C2's and played with the 1st team at an amateur club named V.V. Scharn and I played in the top futsal league with Z.V.V. Amacitia). In the article it states that I am indeed American and it talks a bit about my soccer background. Unfortunately, I played much too long ago in Yugo to have any match reports or articles online during my time in Podgorica. If you really insist I can scan some and email them to you, however I think this would be a tad bit tedious and ridiculous. I only came across this page because I was researching my friend's former club in Germany and I saw his name listed on this page. His name is Eric Lukin. We played together for a bit with the Colorado Rapids in 2001, mostly during the preseason trip in Portugal.

Anyway, if you want your page to be accurate then my name should be included on the list (with the US players). The list is for "foreign players", not "international players" (which means representing your country), and I never claimed to have represented the U.S.; and as far as I know, none of the other players listed have either (except for Preki). I'm new to this so I'm not sure how to proceed from here. Should I reinsert my name on the list or will the person, who removed it without the courtesy of waiting for a reply from me first, reinsert it?


 * Hello Jovan, srdacan pozdrav, I am very pleased to meat you, and I apologise it was in these circunstances. I created the list after a couple of years of gathering information, and I posted it here something like 2 years ago but unfortunatelly I am aware it is still incomplete. I didn´t had almost any help, and it is mostly me who keeps the list clean and updated. Most of the info posted by other users unfortunatelly mostly ends up being wrong or for promotional purposes, so that must be the reason why I became skeptical about any new info added. However, I did made a search about you and your career and I came out to find that you are currently coaching in the States. Unfortunatelly I couldn´t find anywhere an info about your birth place, so because of your name I just suposed that you were possibly a Yugoslav born footballer who latter emigrated abroad. I apologise to you about this, it was obviously my mistake and lack of info, but this happend because there were just many cases of these, so I ended up being used to them.


 * As you were born in the States, you are obviously entitled to be listed under USA. I mentioned the other cases for the case you were born in the former Yugoslavia, and those cases can only be included if they ended up representing another national team (as for USA case were Preki, as you mentioned, but also Mitic and Stanisic). If you know more cases that are missing in the list, please add them, I would be extremely greatfull to you. My main problem is that most of the 1990s stats are unavaliable on the internet, so between 1991 and 2000 most foreign players which played in Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Macedonia may be missing. The only ones from that period which are listed are the ones that represented national teams, thus found in many websites, and the ones that played in Croatia and Slovenia, because they have their top league stats avaliable on the internet. However, even in those cases the information is scarse, and for exemple, I only found about Lukin having played in the Croatian first league recently... Curiously, I was born in Belgrade, but I live in Portugal for 20 years already. I am football stats passionate and this list I made here is the only one of this type existing in the world. You know, people there seems allways to give enormous amphasys to the domestic players and less to the foreign ones.


 * As you played in a top league in Yugoslavia, you pass WP:GNG (you only need to have that confirm anyhow by some internet source) so you could create yourself an article about you. You can allways make a sandbox first until you complete it. You can make it this way, edit it here: User:Jovani12/Sandbox. When you complete it we can check everything and add the categories at bottom, and then move it into main space and after your correct name. I can help you if you want. Sounds good?


 * I was not aware that you have had left here a message, and I only noteced it now when you edited the list and I afterwords checked here your talk page, so from now on I´ll have it in my watchlist so I´ll know when you answere. I´ll be glad to help you in any way. Also please tell me if you remember any other foreigners from that period that played in Yugoslavia and are missing in the list, it will be an enormous help for me. For instance, only recently a friend of mine gave me this list of all these foreign players that played in Yugoslavia in 1991 and that everyone didn´t remembered any more: User_talk:FkpCascais. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 22:42, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Zdravo FkpCascais! I am also pleased to meet you. Sorry about leaving you a message in "My talk" but I wasn't really sure where or how I should leave you a message. Thanks for your help with all this and I do understand why you are so diligent about restricting people from adding to the list without proper evidence or proof supporting their claims. Too many people out there are trying to take credit for things they never achieved to gain publicity and then take advantage of it for personal gain. I see it a lot here in the States. So many youth coaches here claim to have played here and there (especially English coaches but also other foreigners as well) to take advantage of the lack of knowledge of club officials so they can get good coaching positions and get paid really well. It drives me crazy!

Anyway, is the article that you want me to create a Wikipedia page? If so, I guess that is okay but I feel kind of weird writing about myself. I'm pretty sure there are some articles out there (online) verifying that I played in Yugo. In fact, I had a really nice write up in the Contra Costa Times (a Bay Area paper) when I was playing in Yugo. I did a full interview with the guy and it ran on the front page. Also, the same paper awarded me the "Times Coach of the Year" in 2006 (for coaching high-school) and I'm pretty sure all of the former clubs I played with were listed in the article when I was announced to have won the award. I will go on the Times website and do a thorough search. I will keep you posted on what I come up with.

With regards to other foreigners that were playing at that time in Yugo, I honestly can't remember any. It was not a great time for foreigners to live and play in Yugo! However, a friend of mine told me that his buddy recently played in Montenegro (I can't remember the club he played with but I'm pretty sure it was quite a small club), but the guy said he loved playing in Budućnost's stadium. I will find out the details for you and let you know soon. Take care! Ćao, Jovan