User talk:Jowaninpensans/Archive 4

June 2011
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 * I repeat, the article is one hundred percent written by myself using the reference on the page as my source. The only part copied is in quotations i.e. "proud local name".  The only thing that is same as the http://www.worldstadia.com/ws/show-page.php?menuCommand=stadium&menuData=1869&menuSubData=edit  is "Kenwyn Rugby Ground"  which is hardly copywrite.  Furthermore your source, the information on the worldstadia.com, is out of date.

Hi, you've done some great edits and article creations. I do agree with you that the Kenwyn Rugby Ground article was written by yourself, but as was mentioned you do usually have to let another editor take down the cleanup template so it doesn't appear that anyone is initiating edit warring.

I have seen that you have removed the contradiction template off The Loe article. This is a template spans two articles that contain the contradiction, in this case River Cober as well. It appears that you have now removed the majority of the contradiction from The Loe (I don't have access to your source), but you might just want to reword the River Cober article to clarify this, cite your reference with it and make sure to remove the cleanup template there. Any questions, please ask. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 00:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The writer and/or users of the CorenSearchBot need to take a look at its use, as in my case it was wrong; completely wrong. At the very least the user should compare the two articles before putting such an enormous box on a small and minor article. It was insulting and heavy handed and I am still annoyed at having my evening spoiled. Sledge hammer to crack a nut comes to mind. Hardly very welcoming to a newbie but you live and learn. Thank you for your patience and encouragement.

A few handy words
Hi again! Hope you don't think I'm stalking you! You've done some good work and I'd like to keep encouraging/helping you and keep you involved with WikiProject Cornwall.

Just as a few pointers:
 * It's always good to use section titles for new topics on article talk pages (useful for when there's more than one discussion on the talk page).
 * I've moved the season articles for Cornwall League 1 to "20x–20y Cornwall League 1" (e.g. 2009–10 Cornwall League 1 and 2010–11 Cornwall League 1), inline with other similar articles, also I've linked all Tribute League 2 etc to Cornwall League 2 for consistency. If you create any more season articles can you make sure they're of this format for consistency please.
 * Feel free to watch the WikiProject Cornwall talk page, just to keep up-to-date with things related to the project.

I'll keep popping up now and then with any advice I think might be useful to you (if you're happy with that). But if you'd like some greater Wikipedia mentoring I can always recommend some good editors to adopt you. Thanks, Zangar (talk) 00:26, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem with you popping in and out. Didn't mean to get involved with rugby articles but thanks for impoving the layout. Currently doing one on Marazion Marsh SSSI Jowaninpensans (talk) 22:38, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Cornwall Importance Assessments
Following on from Talk:Launceston, Cornwall... the importance ratings have got to do with the priority assessment guideline of WP:Cornwall. It states that for: So that's the reason for the importance ratings; it's more to do with how widely recognised (by general users) the subject is today, rather than any historical importance the subject may have had. I've been wondering how adequate these guidelines are for a little while now - on one hand this system has been simple to use and applied for quite a while now, but on the other it is quite subjective and also does not allow any room for educational/historical significance of the subject to Cornwall. If you think these guidelines need improving/updating, you can raise the issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cornwall with any suggestions and see what other editors think. Hope that helps, cheers, Zangar (talk) 22:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * High-importance the articles must be recognised "in the Westcountry or all of Cornwall", which I suppose Penzance does because of the heliport the Isles of Scilly and in-part due to the production Pirates of Penzance.
 * Top-importance articles have to be "Places, icons or topics recognisable or of interest to the whole UK or further", which St Ives is now because of the artist community and the Tate Art Gallery and Newquay because of the international surf competitions (which does make national news) as well as (unfortunately) the clubbing/booze scene.
 * Mid-importance articles only have recognition "in the most of Cornwall", which, on asking my English girlfriend, does sum up Launceston today. As for Bodmin, it that maybe a more borderline case.

1912 shipwrecks
Re your addition, was the ship a steamship or a motor vessel. You've used the MV template, whereas SS is correct for a steamship. Mjroots (talk) 18:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * She was a steamship so changed MV to SS. Is the flag correct? Jowaninpensans (talk) 19:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It is now! Mjroots (talk) 20:41, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers. So I assume the flag for the 1906 wreck I have just done is also wrong (lol). How do you know which flag is right? Jowaninpensans (talk) 20:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * For dates between 1801 and 1923 it's undefined (or government) which produces  undefined. After 1923, when Ireland succeded from the UK, use 🇬🇧 United Kingdom (or government) which produces 🇬🇧 United Kingdom. Click on the links to see the difference. For Royal Navy ships, it doesn't matter which variant of Navyis used, as they all link to the same article. Mjroots (talk) 05:11, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Citing books
Hi, you're doing good work expanding shipwreck lists. Are you up to using cite book for references? Mjroots (talk) 12:57, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've noticed it but never thought to use it. What happens where the same reference is used a number of times in the same article including previous entries under <"ref> ?


 * That's where giving a ref a name comes in. For the first use you would use (e.g.) and for subsequent uses you simply use . WP:CITE explains a bit more about multiple refs from one source. Mjroots (talk) 18:44, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * will use it from now on. Many thanks Jowaninpensans (talk) 13:38, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

1925 in birding and ornithology
Wouldn't it be better to start with decade articles e.g. 1920s in birding and ornithology and expand if they become too big? 100+ articles with minimal conent is less useful to the reader I feel. --Pontificalibus (talk) 15:28, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I was just following the pattern of other pages in the series as I came across material whilst entering bird records into the Cornwall/Isles of Scilly database. Trouble is the 80s, 90s and 2000s are all redirected to Bird species new to science described in the 2000s. Perhaps other people will start to contribute once the pages are formatted.

Articles on individual years in birding and ornithology
Hi there; I think it's very possibly more appropriate to split the birding and ornithology stuff into decades, rather than individual years, unless one particular year was out-of-ordinarliy noteworthy for a huge number of major achievements, spottings, etc. Perhaps you could merge the little individual year's articles into "The twenties", The thirties", "The Forties", etc. and fill in with the stuff you already have here? It would definitely make for much more acceptable encyclopaedic articles, that way - and easier for enthusiats to read through without having to click links to a load of different article :o) Pesky  ( talk  …stalk!) 09:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I was present on the IRC channel #wikipedia-en when this subject came up, and I would also like to encourage you to merge the individual years into decades, especially given the relative paucity of content in the individual years and an abundance of To Be Filled sections, which likely won't get any attention, things being what they are.  Best wishes.  --Mareklug talk 09:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If someone else would like to create a format for each proposed decade I will be happy to add to them. I just don't see the point of creating the following page if people just want to delete any individual year page that is subsequently created. Very frustrating.

Jowaninpensans (talk) 10:11, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * List of years in birding and ornithology - Why wasn't this page deleted? And is every page on that list going to be deleted?
 * I really think that doing a decade at a time could result in some very good articles. You could save all the info you've got so far, on the individual pages, into your own user space (click User:Jowaninpensans/SandboxBirds to create a page specially for working on it), and then just start merging the information in, in chronological order, for each decade's worth of history.  Have a go at it, then give me a ping on my talk page, and when I have a bit of time free from Real Life I'll potter over and take a look, and try to help out with some suggestions.  Suggestion - ask for a "move" (effectivel;y a rename) on the other page, to change it from years to decades.  Then we can link in the articles as they appear.  Pesky  ( talk  …stalk!) 10:39, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Would you like me to start it off for you, as a working space, with a basic outline? Pesky  ( talk  …stalk!) 11:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * That would be great. It was never my intention to get involved with bird articles, it was just items I came across as I was entering records into the Cornish wildlife database. On wikipedia I tend to concentrate on the Cornwall/Scilly SSSI articles and shipwrecks (and rugby) which are of higher importance to me. Thanks for being so positive. I find too many editors are quite destructive and I can see why people lose enthusiasm for wikipedia.
 * Jowaninpensans (talk) 12:07, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

OK, great - I'll make a start by preserving what's in the articles so far, just as a scratchpad-wossname so we have something to work on! Pesky ( talk  …stalk!) 12:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. I'll drop I've dropped a note onto the PROD talk pages of those articles to let them know we're working on merging into smaller articles - possibly a single timeline of notable events in ornithology? Pesky  ( talk  …stalk!) 12:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to tidy up your talk page, as these PRODS are all going to be uncontested, you could probably just delete the notices from here :o)  Pesky  ( talk  …stalk!) 13:18, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Cheers Jowaninpensans (talk) 13:28, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

The data is all there now for a blanket article covering notable events from 1900-1995 (articles before and after that are full enough to stand on their own, I think). I've dropped a note on Oxguy3's talk page for him to get the correct accreditation on the page history for his own bits. All the bits which are all your own work, you can just edit, cut, re-paste back in, and the accreditation will go to you on the page history. Then I can get someone to move it back into mainspace as a brand-new article, with plenty in it. As and when individual years start filling up with enough stuff, then bits can be split out, but in the meantime it will be much better as a blanket article. With any luck, we'll be able to get it live again and looking great within the next couple of days, with all the credits going to the right people. Pesky ( talk  …stalk!) 15:20, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I've now created User:Jowaninpensans/Sandbox1980s in birding and ornithology. Please have a look and make any ammendments to layout as you think fit. The info box at the top will need some work on it as will the opening links but otherwise it seems to be ok. Jowaninpensans (talk) 12:00, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 1899 in birding and ornithology


A tag has been placed on 1899 in birding and ornithology requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, a rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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 * If you look at the discussion above I think you will find it is inhand! Jowaninpensans (talk) 07:57, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Cliff castles
Hello, The main article for these is under Promontory fort. Maps and pictures can be copied into other articles if they are like this and begin with 'File' or 'Image'. Making a new version of a map is a different problem would need to be done in Wikimedia Commons. I think there are cliff castles at The Rumps and at Willapark, Tintagel. The Penwith ones will be mentioned in Charles Thomas's The principal antiquities of the Land's End district (with Peter Pool): 1954 ; also: 2nd Edition 1956; 3rd Edition 1957; 4th Ed. 1959, 5th Ed. 1960; 6th Ed. 1961; 7th Ed. 1962, 8th Ed. 1963, 9th Ed. 1964; 10th ed. 1965, 11th Ed. 1966; 12th Ed 1967; 13th Ed. Revised 1968; 14th Ed. 1969; 15th Ed. Revised, 1970; 16th Ed. 1980; and there are nine references to cliff forts in H. O'N. Hencken's The Archaeology of Cornwall and Scilly. Methuen, 1932.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:51, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * For location marker map, you may want to use something like is found in the Civil parishes in Cornwall article. You should be able to work out how to use this by looking at that and also the template documentation. Hope that helps, Zangar (talk) 16:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers the map looks ideal. I'll have a go in a couple of weeks time. Including disputed ones there are at least 25 in Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly. Jowaninpensans (talk) 16:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

List of shipwrecks in Cornwall
I was going to suggest that you start this list, only to discover that you already had done so! I've been through and made some edits in accordance with WP:MOSSHIP. Only casualties should be bolded, with other ships in italics.

Do you have a library card? If so, you should be able to access the Gale Newsvault - a wealth of info to be discovered there!

I notice you've mostly used book sources for the list. Nothing wrong with that, but the internet can also be of use. WP:SHIPS/R has plenty of useful links. Any questions, give me a shout. Mjroots (talk) 12:29, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It seems to have taken over my life. Concentrated on Penzance books so far but will start to look further a field. Member of both public library and Morrab Library. Hadn't heard of Gale Newsvault, will have a look at that soonish. Really want to get on an tackle some of the SSSIs'. Hopefully I will survive the "great maritime trap" of Mount's Bay tomorrow! lol. Jowaninpensans (talk) 13:13, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

New birding article(s) :o)
Hi there - the 1980's article is looking much better than those year-by-year ones! Well done :o) Pesky  ( talk  …stalk!) 05:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Congrats
Well thank you very much lol. I'll try and get it finished this week Jowaninpensans (talk) 16:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * With all the entries now formatted, can I offer my congrats as well! Excellent work! I reckon that this article would make a great featured list one day. I've put a couple of thoughts on how to go about doing this on the talk page. See what you think. Again, well done. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 16:08, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Redirects bolding
Hi there. We're making good progress with List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Cornwall, well done! I've just noticed that you've generally been putting the SSSI names in bold within the article (e.g. with these edits). We usually only bold the term if it is the title of the article, or if it is the target of a redirect, as per WP:RDR. So in the case of St Stephen-in-Brannel, I've un-bolded "South Terras Mine", as you were using a piped link within the list to get to the article, but I've left "Tregargus Quarries" bold and created a Tregargus Quarries redirect page (basically as there was also a Tregargus article, now also a redirect, and one these may turn into an article in their own right one day with the other linking to it). I did the same with Tater-du, but you were correct to bold Stourscombe Quarry.

I know sometimes if a single SSSI title has multiple parts, such as "Coverack Cove and Dolor Point", and it's not the targe of a redirect, I tend to put the SSSI title in quote marks, or make it italic, to ensure the reader knows it's a single SSSI and not two. Hope that helps, just to keep consistency. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 12:16, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * It all seems a bit arbitrary to me at the moment. About to go away so will take another look when I get back. Jowaninpensans (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, hope you had a good trip! These SSSIs seem to be taking longer to do than I thought! I reckon that I've identified all the sites that should be on their own article page for the Cornish mainland and now I'm going through those red links and creating them. I was wondering, would you be able to go through the Isles of Scilly SSSIs and either redirecting or creating their articles? As you seem to have a good knowledge of the Scillies, I like your expansion of White Island, Isles of Scilly. I agree with your thoughts that really the Isles shouldn't be listed under Cornwall, but I notice that this is how the Areas of Search are generated by Natural England - they use the 1974–1996 county system. As they are our main source, I think we should stick with what they use - also this is consistent with all other SSSI lists, such as List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Avon.
 * It is really hard, and seems slightly arbitrary, to decide which site needs an article, redirect or piping! In addition to the criteria that we agreed on I've also been using "sites that are also Nature Reserves or have noteworthy biology/geology" as criteria for creating articles; some of these have been able to be nominated for Did you knows. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 17:23, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I will get back to them at some point, busy with work at the moment. I thought I might separate the Scilly SSSIs' from the Cornish ones within the templates that appear at the bottom of each page - but didn't want to go ahead without consulting someone.
 * Unsure about whether to create new pages or redirect the SSSIs' to the main island articles. With St Agnes I am wavering towards creating new pages and I suppose there are too many on St Mary's to incorporate them all in the main article so its probably new pages as well. Jowaninpensans (talk) 20:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Eastern Isles
EncycloPetey (talk) 06:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC) 08:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well many thanks for that and Nadelik Lowen ha Blydhen Nowydh Da to everyone Jowaninpensans (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Penhale Sands
Hi, hope you had a good Christmas holiday! I liked the Penhale Sands article you started, I thought the St Piran fact in there was great, so I expanded it and submitted it to DYK. It's been put aside to be displayed on 5 March (St Piran's Day), I reckon we might be able to get a couple of other ones together to go alongside - I'll put it to the WikiProject later in the week.

We're almost there with the SSSIs, thanks for sorting all the Scilly ones! I'll try to finish the remaining ones this week and then submit the article for Featured list on behalf of the both of us, if you're happy with that? Cheers, Zangar (talk) 22:21, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Cheers, I started the Penhale one as I wanted to make sure it was called Penhale Sands and not Penhale Dunes; apart from English Nature I have never heard it called that. It is probably the best wildlife site in Cornwall and with its history could be a very good article. Lots more to do on the Scilly ones.Jowaninpensans (talk) 14:48, 22 January 2012 (UTC)


 * All finished! I've submitted the article for featured list now (nomination here), hopefully it goes well! I must go back to Penhale Sands at some point, last time I went there I was 4 (I come from SE Cornwall). Cheers, Zangar (talk) 20:49, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Try and choose a sunny day as it can be bleak in northerlies. The moth total in the citation is a joke. If I ever get around to putting all the records from Frank Smith (1997) into the database I'm sure the total will treble (or quadruple more likely). Thanks for all your work it's looking good now. Jowaninpensans (talk) 12:09, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of 2008 in birding and ornithology


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Great Wheal Fortune article
Hi, looking at the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know, I realised that it should have been the mineral wolframite that was collected by the sackload in the 1950s, not wolfram. As I don't have access to the book, I would be grateful if you could just check that it does say 'wolframite' - tungsten does not occur in its elemental form, but confirmation would be good. Thanks, Mikenorton (talk) 20:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Penhale Sands
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Great Wheal Fortune
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

List of rock formations in the United Kingdom
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of rock formations in the United Kingdom, an article that lists the Penninis that you added to the St Mary's, Isles of Scilly article on 1 August 2011‎, regarding the scope of the list and a proposal. See Penninis picture. Under the proposal the Penninis would be removed from the list. --20:35, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Got to FL
Hey, just to let you know, List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Cornwall has been promoted to FL class. Thanks for all your help in getting it there! Keep up the good work! I'll probably be taking a break from Wikipedia for a little while, but I'll no doubt see you around in the future. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 15:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * And thanks to you for sorting it all out. Just 160 or so SSSI articles that now need to be improved. :>)) Jowaninpensans (talk) 17:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Boscastle to Widemouth
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Round Island Light, Isles of Scilly
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Wingletang Down (St. Agnes)
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:06, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The page was moved after about an hour and a half on the Main Page, but the link on the Main Page wasn't updated for nearly three hours. As a result, you're going to need to check two pages for the total number of hits — St. Agnes and St Agnes.  Nyttend (talk) 12:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Cornish shipwrecks
I note that you are using Wrecksite extensively. Experience has shown that this site is not as reliable as it should be, info there should be cross-verified where possible. Do you have access to the Gale News Vault (via library card?) as that should give you loads of sources that are useable. Mjroots (talk) 21:01, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No I wasn't aware. I don't seem to have access as there is no mention of Gale News Vault on the Cornwall Council website and on Gale News Vault it is only Canada and US residents that have access. Jowaninpensans (talk) 21:57, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a pity. I have access via my Kent library card. Is this link any good to you?
 * That link does work thanks. Jowaninpensans (talk) 17:03, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Spanish merchant flag
I've recently discovered that there was a distinct flag in use by Spanish merchantmen between 1785 and 1927. I've now managed to get it coded and it can now be used across various lists and articles. 🇪🇸 Spain produces 🇪🇸 Spain. For pre-1785 and post-1927 ships, use the relevant year identifier per Template:Country data Spain. Mjroots (talk) 18:38, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I should probably put these flags with dates on the talk page as an easy reference. There are bound to be wrong flags on the pages. Thanks Jowaninpensans (talk) 17:05, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
 Template:1989–90 Courage League National Division Two, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as Template-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you are more than welcome to continue submitting work to Articles for Creation. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
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British and Irish Cup
No worries. 2012/13 fixtures to follow. Hamish59 (talk) 11:56, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:1990–91 Courage League National Division Two Table
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DYK for Job Edward Lousley
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Rugby deletion discussion
''I hope the recent discussion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern Counties North hasn't put you off wikipedia. I also had similar experiences when I started. Unfortunately there seem to be too many people (especially in Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union) who insteading of helping and encouraging are all too quick to find fault. Shame some of them couldn't put as much effort into improving articles – such as the English Premiership (rugby union) season pages, which are so basic; especially as it is one of the top club competitions in world rugby. I've managed to find my little niche, improving the second tier seasons and I hope you manage to find something as satisfying''

Many thanks for your reply and support. It appears as though, on the grounds of "no consensus" that my 47 articles are not going to be deleted. The trouble is is that this is not the first time a large swathe of my efforts have been proposed for deletion and I don't see why I should have to continue to justify the efforts I put in.

It appears as though the person proposing the deletion is a member of the RU project who wanted the article deleted on the grounds of Insufficient reliable secondary source coverage If that editor had chosen to try to expand the article as I did, rather than wanting it deleted then a lot of offence and upset would have been avoided. After all, one of the initial respondants found this to be "highly disruptive" which is exactly what it is/was. Anyway, it appears as though my articles will not be deleted so I shall look to continue updating the various leagues and possibly creating a few new club articles to add to the three I have already written.(Rillington (talk) 16:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC))

Martha Quayle of Liverpool
Hello, The Robert Stephen Hawker article now has an account of this 1863 wreck at Morwenstow. The events lasted for several days and it was difficult to summarise Hawker's own account of it and get the sequence of events straight. It began at Hennacliff and involved various attempts to assist from Bude northwards to Clovelly and Appledore. It would be better to base an entry in 19th century list on some secondary sources rather than on Hawker's own letter to Godwin. Another letter printed in the same book reports events after the wreck of the "Ben Coolen".--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for adding the Ulster attendance to 2012–13 British and Irish Cup. Where ever did you find it? I have had no luck in tracking down the figure anywhere. Might give me a clue to finding the Munster attendance. Hamish59 (talk) 08:43, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's from the match report on the Bridgend site - added after you did the attendances. I did a search for the Munster attendance on some of the local papers with no luck I'm afraid. Jowaninpensans (talk) 09:00, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, Jowaninpensans. It is very frustrating, to be missing just 1 out 28.  Ho, hum.  Hamish59 (talk) 09:41, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Promontory Forts of Cornwall
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DYK for Promontory forts of Cornwall
Mifter (talk) 00:02, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of 2008 in birding and ornithology for deletion
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Rename 3 seasons in Welsh rugby union
Please see my proposal to speedily rename Category:2010–11 Welsh rugby union, Category:2011–12 Welsh rugby union, Category:2012–13 Welsh rugby union. Hugo999 (talk) 21:47, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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Shipwrecks
Jowan, for more Cornish and Scilly Isles shipwrecks, see List of shipwrecks in 1785 et seq. I'm currently working on 1826 atm. Mjroots (talk) 21:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Will keep an eye on the yearly articles with a mind to adding to them sometime in the future when I have more time, and also as a resource. Good to see the pages being added to. Cheers. Jowaninpensans (talk) 09:03, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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1987–88 Courage League National Division Two
Jowan, re your recent chance to 1987–88 Courage League National Division Two. I am not sure that they were using the modern bonus points system back in 1987/88. Isn't this anachronistic? Hamish59 (talk) 07:41, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not the same, There is one point for a loss to encourage teams to fulfil their fixtures. I didn't remember it being used at the time, but have just looked at the final tables in the Guardian, and on the Moseley website, and they use the same system. Also used for Division 1 and 3 but the Area League Fours, and lower, use the two point for a win system. Jowaninpensans (talk) 08:29, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the clarification, Jowan. My mistake.  Hamish59 (talk) 08:30, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No probs. When I first did the page I was reluctant to use that system as I thought it was a mistake. Jowaninpensans (talk) 08:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Just an idea: is it worth adding a note "not the modern points system" in case of drive-by "corrections". Off with my 1st Team now, speak soon.  Hamish59 (talk) 08:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sandplace
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 * Jowaninpensans, it's been twelve days since this was posted, and there has been no response on the nomination page nor work done on the article to address the issues raised. The general expectation for DYK (and on Wikipedia as a whole) is a response of some sort within a week's time. I hope you will get to this soon, before someone thinks the nomination has been abandoned. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:40, 6 April 2014 (UTC)


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