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 * Corrected, thank you. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 23:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Turingery article
I notice that you have recently edited the Heath Robinson (codebreaking machine)article.

In July 2012, you initiated the Turingery article and I then expanded it, including quite a lot of detail about the Lorenz cipher. Subsequently I have written the, as yet unfinished, article Cryptanalysis of the Lorenz cipher. I imported into it most of the contents of 'Turingery' because it seemed to be a better fit there. I wonder whether you think that I have done the right thing and perhaps 'Turingery' would best be relegated to a redirect to the Turingery section in 'Cryptanalysis of the Lorenz cipher'? --TedColes (talk) 09:58, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The Turingery article is a full well-referenced article thanks largely to your efforts and in my view should stay as such. Well done! -- Jonathan Bowen (talk) 08:00, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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Third Reading Wiki Meetup
You are invited to the third Reading Wiki Meetup which will take place at The Hope Tap, 99-105 Friar Street, Reading RG1 1EP on Sunday 20 January 2013 from 1.00 pm. If you have never been to one, this is an opportunity to meet other Wikipedians in an informal atmosphere for Wiki and non-Wiki related chat and for beer or food if you like. Experienced and new contributors are all welcome. This event is definitely not restricted just to discussion of Berkshire related topics. Bring your laptop if you like and use the free Wifi or just bring yourself. Even better, bring a friend! Click the link for full details. Looking forward to seeing you. Philafrenzy (talk) 02:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Michael W. Shields


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 * I believe this was nominated in error. The new article is on the computer scientist (see previous AfD discussion) and has been significantly updated. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Michael W. Shields for deletion
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 * I can only disagree, this is a notable computer scientist. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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 * Corrected, thank you. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 19:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * Corrected, thank you. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 19:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Notability of streets
Hi Jonathan! In Russian Wikipedia we have a big controversy on notability of streets (some people think that our articles about streets should be deleted), so I'm trying to collect some material on state of the art in other Wikipedias. Could you please refer me to existing rules about notability of streets in English Wikipedia? Are in general sources mentioning the date when the streat appeared, its former names etc. sufficient to prove its notability? Or sources with more detailed historical information are required (like several paragraphs dedicated to the street)? Or all streets in big cities have immanent notability?Oleksiy.golubov (talk) 13:59, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no reason why streets cannot be notable and WP:GNG applies. There should be several references in WP:RS, ideally including books in my view. Including a history of the street in the article (ideally as a section) is certainly good practice. As a personal guideline, I like to have at least three or more other Wikipedia articles that are related to the street already in some way and can be interlinked - e.g., notable residents, buildings, institutions, etc. I also like to include literary references if possible. I don't think Wikipedia should be a gazetteer of all streets in large cities but certainly such locations can have a large number of notable streets, especially in the centre. Articles on streets are a good way of collecting together information geographically in densely populated locations. I would not advocate creating stub articles for streets with little content since notability should be demonstrated from the start. As an "incrementalist", I would start with really important and famous streets and then gradually expand with time. I hope this helps and good luck. It would be a great pity if the Russian Wikipedia had no streets at all in my view. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 19:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the explanations. In fact, nobody is speaking about forbidding articles about streets in Russian Wiki at all. We mostly have a controversy between people who think that a street is notable only if it is described in RS in detail (e.g. a special chapter in a book, or at least several paragraphs), and people who think that basic historic and geographic information is enough to create an article (e.g. a city map, and two lines about the street in a reference book on streets of the city, with dates of creation and former names of all the streets). The first point of view limits us to just a few most important streets in each city, while the second point of view allows to create articles about all streets of most big cities. Oleksiy.golubov (talk) 00:29, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Somewhere between these two extremes would seem reasonable. Multiple mentions in references is important I think. Good luck with the debate and sorry I don't speak Russian!— Jonathan Bowen (talk) 10:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * Corrected, thank you. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 20:05, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

 * Delicious, thank you! — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 15:17, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

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Oxford Meetup 4
I'm sorry that you couldn't attend the third Oxford Meetup: we had a good turnout - 10 people. We hope to keep this as a regular event, every two months, on the first Sunday of the month (in order not to clash with London [second Sunday]). A page has been created about the fourth Oxford Meetup; please sign up if you think that you are able to attend - if the date or venue are unsuitable, please comment at its discussion page.

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 * Sorry to miss the last meetup, very busy at the moment, but I hope I can make it to the 5 May 2013 event. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 22:32, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * I have added information and references to establish notability and have removed the notice. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 22:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * Yes, sorry I could not be there due to other commitments that day. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * A borderline case, IMHO. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * This should be a container category. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * A rename is fine. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * A rename is fine. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Henry Piper


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 * Notable in his own right, references added. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * A snow keep, I think. I recommend more research for the future. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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Category:Cultural media
Hey there, I was just looking at Category:Cultural media, and I'm wondering what you had in mind when you created it back in 2009. My guess is that you were probably thinking of media dealing with the arts. But the term "Cultural media" is pretty ambiguous, and the category is currently being used for two rather disparate types of articles: both those dealing with the arts, and also articles pertaining to various ethnic cultures. It's rather a hodgepodge as things stand, and I really think something needs to be done about it-- but I'm not sure quite what! So I thought I would start by running this by you to see what you think. (Please be kind enough to leave a note at my talk page when you reply.) Regards, Cgingold (talk) 06:28, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi again, JP - Just thought I'd give this another try. Hope you can find time to answer some time soon. Regards, Cgingold (talk) 10:41, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the slow response and thanks for pointing this out. You are broadly correct re intention. I was thinking of this being a container category for media associated with items under Category:Culture. Feel free to sort it out with suitable sub-categories. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 12:55, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * Corrected, thank you. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 05:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

People's Park disambiguation page
Hallo, There's a standard layout for disambiguation pages which have the title "... (disambiguation)", and I've reverted that part of your edit to People's Park (disambiguation).

It may be that you think the one in Berkeley should not have the "primary topic" status and the dab page should be at the base name. There have been two previous discussions about moving it, but in 2006and 2008 - you could start a new move proposal using WP:RM.

I'm not sure what logic has been used in ordering the various parks on the page, either in the past or currently, but I think some subheadings would be useful and I might have a go at splitting them by continent and see what that looks like. Pam D  18:36, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Certainly I would judge People's Park (Shanghai) more important than People's Park (Berkeley) as a major park in central Shanghai, for example, but I guess Wikipediahas a tendency to be USA-centric. I am not enough of a Vogon to fight this however. :) Happy editing! — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 05:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thank you, much appreciated, glad you like them. I had a wonderful month in Shanghai recently and noticed some of the interesting places I visited had no Wikipedia page or information that could be improved. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 20:09, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thank you, I did not realise the extent of the sad history of the building when I started the article, but I think that it is good that it is on Wikipedia. Thank you for your excellent additions and updates. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 08:23, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I just recently wrote the article for the tragic movie star Shangguan Yunzhu, but didn't know where she lived until reading your article. So thank you! The Wukang Mansion DYK has already been reviewed and approved. I've just nominated Wukang Road as well. SeeTemplate:Did you know nominations/Wukang Road. -Zanhe (talk) 08:52, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * And thank you again for linking everything together so well. I like these sorts of connections that are possible on Wikipedia, even if this is a tragic one. I felt quite emotional once I realised the history, having only just visited the area. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 09:53, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

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 * Just dropping a note to let you know that Wukang Mansion was one of the most viewed DYKs of October 2013: DYKSTATS/Archive 2013. -Zanhe (talk) 04:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for letting me know and thank you for adding this article to the DYK list. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 14:08, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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