User talk:Jpj87

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Happy editing! davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  17:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Blackhall Studios has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Blackhall Studios. Thanks! davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  17:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Jpj87. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Draft:Blackhall Studios, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the request edit template);
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Conflict of interest);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. ''Thank you for letting us know that you have a relationship with the founder of the studio. Please read WP:Conflict of interest and WP:Paid-contributions disclosure and follow the instructions in those documents as you edit. Just to re-emphasize: Editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted.  If you are here to for promotional purposes, it is best if you abandon that draft and consider anything related to Blackhall Studios "off limits."'' davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  18:27, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Are you able to add in this COI as it states in the instruction page(last line)? I can assure you, we are submitting the entry from the most neutral standpoint as possible.

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Template:Connected contributor and Template:Connected contributor (paid)
I can add it, but I need to know a couple of things first: davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  19:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Who is "we"? Only one person can use an account.
 * Is anyone paying you for your edits, or are you going to benefit financially, or is it part of your normal job? If the answer to any of these is "yes" then I will need to know your employer and, if it's not your employer, who is the ultimate "client" benefiting from this.

sorry "we" referring to myself and you as the Wikipedia editors. (The collective) I am compensated by my employer as a part of my job only. Employer: Cookerly Public Relations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpj87 (talk • contribs) 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Who is paying them to have you write articles? davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  20:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Blackhall Studios. They are paying Cookerly Public Relations (my employer) to help them put an informative article about the studios on Wikipedia. 20:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Jpj87 (talk)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ryan Millsap (December 22)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Girth Summit were:

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Girth Summit  (blether) 19:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Please "sign" your posts
It is customary to "sign" posts. Please read WP:Signature for details. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  20:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Ryan Millsap has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Ryan Millsap. Thanks! davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  20:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Blackhall Studios has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Blackhall Studios. Thanks! davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  20:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Undisclosed paid editing
Hi - I'm Girth Summit, an administrator here. I reviewed one of your drafts earlier, and I just noticed from your comments above that you are employed by a PR company; I assume that the people/companies you are writing about are their clients. I need you to stop editing about those subjects immediately, and read the guidance at WP:PAID. These requirements form part of the terms of use of this website, and following them is not optional if you want to edit here. If you make any further edits to these drafts before you have taken the necessary steps outlined at that guideline, your account may be blocked from editing entirely. Let me know if you have any questions. Best Girth Summit  (blether)  20:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm willing to disclose affiliation though and have taken steps to do so. Is that not permissible?
 * Have you read the guidance? I mean, really read it, from beginning to end? Writing a message to another editor on your talk page does not, in my view, fulfil the disclosure requirements outlined there. If you have been asked to edit here as part of your job, your employer should take steps to ensure that they are familiar with the terms of use of this website; they should not be asking you to act in a manner that is contrary to them. I'm genuinely not trying to be unpleasant to you, but having to explain this to you soaks up volunteer time, and is a waste of our resources - your company should familiarise themselves with our policies before asking you to edit here. Girth Summit  (blether)  20:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Just a note, Jpj87, we are all volunteers here, so when someone comes to Wikipedia as a paid editor, it should be expected they are capable of following simple directions for disclosure and also have a clue about how to edit for the same reason we would expect someone hired to design a website to know how to work with the basic function of web design. With that being said, I would strongly encourage you before continuing to edit, to actually thoroughly read the links given to you instead of just browsing them. Then copy and paste this: on your userpage here. You should also include a link to where those services are advertised.  GRINCHIDICAE🎄  20:37, 22 December 2020 (UTC)  GRINCHIDICAE🎄  20:37, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I've read it. At the end of the day, I'm trying my best to add knowledge to this platform and its users by adding an entry glaringly missing -- whether it's a client or not. This is not my forte. I'm not in this platform every day. I get your frustration, but the process from a new editor like myself (or any employer) is equally frustrating if I'm being honest.
 * With respect, that's not what you're doing. You're acting on behalf of your client to promote them on our platform. Reviewing your promotional articles, and explaining basic policy to you is soaking up volunteer resources. You need either to be willing to invest time learning how this place works and how to edit within our policies and guidelines, or you need to stop editing here. Best Girth Summit  (blether)  20:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Promotion is not the goal here. That's now what Wikipedia is about and I do understand that. If the prose needs to be reworked to be more neutral in tone, so be it. But it was my intention to simply put the information here so people could get the facts about the studio. Where it is. Who runs it. What movies and shows have been produced there. It should be a source of information not an advertisement. And, that's what I attempted to do. Not intended to be promotional at all, I can assure you. Jpj87 (talk) 20:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Whatever your goal was, the content you have written is highly promotional; I believe it would need to be rewritten from scratch to achieve an appropriate tone. I would add that there are no sources in the draft about the company that would meet the standard called for by WP:NCORP, or in the draft about the person that would contribute towards a WP:GNG pass. You need to make a proper disclosure on your user page, as has been explained to you above, and then spend the time learning how to write here, how to follow our guidelines, what good sources look like - and then you need to completely rewrite these drafts, using proper sources and a neutral style. If your employer isn't willing to invest the effort in doing that, please stop soaking up our resources. Girth Summit  (blether)  21:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Blackhall Studios (December 22)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Girth Summit were:

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Blackhall Studios and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
 * If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Blackhall Studios, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "Db-g7" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
 * If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
 * If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Blackhall_Studios Articles for creation help desk], on the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Girth_Summit&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Blackhall_Studios reviewer's talk page] or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Girth Summit  (blether) 20:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Some topics simply are not notable
Many people and many businesses simply are not notable enough to even qualify for a Wikipedia article, no matter how well-written it is, because the "significant coverage" from "reliable," "independent" sources just does not exist.

You may be asking yourself "what does that mean?" Read and study WP:Your first article, WP:About, WP:What Wikipedia is not, WP:Notability, WP:Notability (people), and WP:NCORP and you should have your answer.

I'm not here to say that your employer's client is or is not notable, but after you read those pages and researching your company's client, you may come to the conclusion that neither the company you are writing about nor the person you are writing about meets Wikipedia's "notability" criteria to have an article. If that is the case, stop writing on those topics. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  20:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate that, but I have done some other research with similar sized studios that have a Wikipedia page. I do believe it is authoritative/notable enough. I do appreciate your time. You do not need to continue to help. I know I've taken more of your time than necessary. I'm grateful for you trying to help. Have a great holiday season. Jpj87 (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The error may be that Wikipedia allowed those other articles to exist in the first place. This sometimes happens, see WP:Other stuff exists.  While your conflict-of-interest prevents you from initiating a deletion on web pages related to your company's client's competitors, you can put a note on the talk pages of those articles that discloses your conflict of interest, points out clear and unambiguous reasons why the page should be nominated for deletion, and which includes the Template:Requested edit template to get the attention of other editors.  If you are right, another editor will nominate the page for deletion.  If you are wrong too many times, it will be considered disruptive and you will be asked/told to stop.  My recommendation:  Don't do this until you have a thorough understanding of Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines.  That may take a few weeks or months.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  21:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Ryan Millsap
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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 21:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Ryan Millsap


Hello, Jpj87. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Ryan Millsap".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 20:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Blackhall Studios has been accepted
 Blackhall Studios, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. Most new articles start out as Stub-Class or Start-Class and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

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Thanks again, and happy editing! Worldbruce (talk) 19:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)