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William Harold Cox -- you sent me a note stating you edited my changes to his stub. What did you edit? You also said that I didn't cite the statement that you omitted, but that stub currently contains no citations whatsoever. If I remember correctly, probably the only thing I added to Cox's stub was that JFK and Miss. Senator James O. Eastland hatched out a deal for Kennedy to appoint the racist Cox to the southern district federal bench in exchange for Eastland's cooperation on various pieces of legislation. I've got two published sources that say the same thing, so I'm wondering if that's what you edited. Anyway, let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.0.92.152 (talk) 22:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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I added some references about his bodybuilding achievements. Now you can undo this whole "delete thing". User:AngelOfDestiny —Preceding undated comment added 17:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

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Removing spaces in cite templates
Hi, Jprg1966. Thanks for to The Great Gatsby article. I noticed that you are removing spaces that separate the parameters in the cite templates. Although there's no set convention to use or not use the spaces, there are some benefits to keeping them such as ease of reading and better line breaking in editors. This later property is very important on mobile devices that have small screens. The only upside to removing them I am aware of is shortened the file length. In my opinion, the benefits of keeping (or adding them) outweigh the benefit of removing them. I think as mobile devices become even more important, this will become more evident. Jason Quinn (talk) 20:21, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I had not thought of the effect on mobile editing. The thing that I strive for on pages is consistency, so it is fair to keep the one-space pattern where it exists I suppose. Thanks for raising your concern. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  16:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, several people from the baseball wikiproject are getting together after Wizardman's sudden retirement to figure out a better way to organize the Wikiproject. One of the ideas we came up with is having our own IRC channel to help each other, as well as new users with collaboration and content. If you need help connecting to IRC join. The IRC channel for Wikiproject Baseball is. Thanks Secret account 23:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I'll give it a look when I have a chance. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  00:54, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * to believe in no God at all, than to blaspheme him by the atrocious attributes of Calvin. }}

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Leopard leonard is not real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DivergentTris (talk • contribs) 19:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about leopard leonard :'( — Preceding unsigned comment added by DivergentTris (talk • contribs) 19:42, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism on the reliable sources noticeboard?
Hi

I'm not a registered Wikipedian, but have edited occasionally over the years. In the past few months I've extensively edited two articles, revising an earlier "History" section I wrote in State income tax, and adding a "History" section to Korean drama. I've been active on several Wikipedia meta-pages recently in the wake of the rapid deletion of a section I added to a different article, Secret Garden (TV series). You appear to have interpreted a long post of mine to the reliable sources noticeboard as vandalism. I'm not clear on whether this is because of its length, because I'm angry, or because, in making that post, I first noticed the instruction to link to external web pages referenced, so went back and inserted links into a previous post.

I've read the document explaining what vandalism is. I'd appreciate it if you'd connect the dots for me, because I don't see what I did that was vandalism. If on further examination you actually agree with me, please remove the tag from the post in question, and get rid of the talk page you set up linked to the IP address of the university computer I posted from.

In any event, banning this computer is not going to stop me from whatever ostensible vandalism I'm engaged in, because I can simply switch to a different computer. (I use this particular machine a lot partly for convenience and partly, lately, because I've been ill and don't want to spread the germs around, but it's not a big deal.) Most of my more substantial work on Wikipedia is accompanied by posts to the relevant talk pages, which I sign as I'm signing this one, complete with discouraged e-mail address (oh, is *that* why you think I'm a vandal?); if for some reason I need to be tracked and stopped, that's a more effective tool. More effective still might be convincing me to stop doing whatever it is that worries you.

(Also, of course, it's at least possible that people other than me edit Wikipedia from this computer.)

I used to volunteer heavily in administrative areas of Usenet. (So you can easily verify that I'm me, and not inviting spam to some innocent third party's e-mail. And you could have e-mailed me your complaint.)  I've been tempted to fill some of that time with Wikipedia instead. It's becoming clear that I'm actually something of a poor fit for Wikipedia (I like to do original research, and my standards of evidence diverge spectacularly from Wikipedia's), but accusations like this sure help discourage me.

Joe Bernstein  joe@sfbooks.com

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Some sort of browser glitch resulted in two copies of this. Sorry! 128.95.223.129 (talk) 20:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

128.95.223.129 (talk) 20:24, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What? I never accused you of vandalism. The long post on RS/N you may be referring to was automatically labeled "possible vandalism" by the edit filter. There is no need to take a combative and accusatory attitude, although I do appreciate you seeking clarification. There is, additionally, a notice I placed on your user talk page simply stating the host of your IP address. This is to alert other editors to the fact that multiple users may be editing from it. You are not under any Wikipedia sanction and don't need to be, as far as I can tell. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  21:56, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, looks like I jumped to a conclusion. Here's the steps:  I saw my post tagged "possible vandalism" and was disturbed; then I noticed that this IP address suddenly had a talk page, and wondered what was being said there; *then* I got this warning saying that *due* to vandalism, this IP address might be blocked.  Oh, and that warning was attributed to you in the talk page's history.  So yes, I assumed you'd done the whole thing.  My apologies.  I do get very angry when accused of things that are totally out of character for me.


 * How can I find out what triggered the edit filter?


 * Joe Bernstein  joe@sfbooks.com
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All-Star Records edit
Hi. I noticed that you recently reverted my changes to the page for All-Star Records. I'm not too sure why you made these changes. Don Omar's former record label was called All-Star Records, but it is now known by Orfanato Music group. With that being the case, I thought it would be ok to create a page for All-Star Recors from Newmarket, Ontario. Please let me know if you will revert the changes or if I should create a new page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.129.31.125 (talk) 16:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I see. If the page you want has the hyphen in the name, you can create it at All-Star Records. Make sure it details the label's notability using references to reliable sources. Thanks for your polite note. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  16:25, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * professional baseball]] player who played his entire career for the New York Yankees (1924–1935 ). Combs batted leadoff and played center field on the Yankees' fabled 1927 team

Watching me
What vandalism did i make? --216.8.174.108 (talk) 21:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You didn't. I didn't give you a vandalism template. It's a shared IP template. You're fine. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  21:39, 15 April 2014 (UTC). Oh, I was worried.

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 * Torre]] said. "He's a smart cookie, everybody knows that, and he has an engaging personality." http://www.courant.com/sports/baseball/hc-dombasecol0712.artjul12,0,628084.story "Astute Ausmus

"Global Advanced Research"
Hello Jprg1966. I came across this edit: please excuse me for removing the reference to that article from Global Advanced Research Journal of History, Political Science and International Relations. Global Advanced Research is a club that churns out a million journals and spams inboxes with invitations to publish in them. It's a fishy outfit to say the least, and I'll cite you two snippets from their spam. Here's one:"Introducing ‘Global Advanced Research Journal of Management and Business Studies (GARJMBS) ISSN: 2315-5086 With Impact Factor Dear Colleague, Am please to inform to you that our April 2014 Issue is out you can view it with this link. http://garj.org/garjmbs/content/2014/April.htm" And here's another:"GARJMBS is seeking energetic, qualified and high profile researchers to submit there manuscript in Microsoft word format to: garjmbs@garj.org garjmbs1@gmail.com, garjmbs@garjournals.org  submit.garjmbs@garj.org" I've cleaned up the formatting; it looks much worse in reality. Anyway, I'm not a colleague of theirs--I'm nowhere near business and management. There is nothing academic or peer-reviewed about these outfits, which all appear to come out of Bangladesh or so, and their website is insightful: the submission fee is $450. In other words, these are not proper academic journals, and any time you run into them you should probably consider removing them--they are a shit stain on the nice white underwear of academia. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:46, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I did not know they were a junk journal. Thanks for the notice. I'll try to avoid them in the future. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  17:16, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yeah, every now and then I follow up on their spam (from "garjournals" usually; for some reason or other our administrator won't simply block all this crap from that and similar domains) by checking to see if Wikipedia has citations. Last time before this it was someone who had been spamming their own articles into Wikipedia articles--doubly pathetic if these are the journals one gets published in. Drmies (talk) 02:41, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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I have not edited any pages that your referring to... I see that the one your talking about is "neckties"? this ip address is one used by Verizon wireless and is randomly assigned. Perhaps it was an edit done by someone else. Thank-you and have a nice day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.208.1.221 (talk) 23:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Jprg1966. I noticed that you changed the citations for Shooting of Michael Brown, changing a parameter name from 'publisher' to 'work' for web cites. Is there a guideline somewhere the establishes that as s Wikipedia standard? I looked at WP:CIT, but it didn't really help. Many thanks.- MrX 21:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It's kinda tough sometimes. Newspapers should be "work," while news organizations are "publishers." The "work" field italicizes the text, signifying that it is a "work" the way WP:MOS recommends italicizing (e.g., newspaper, book, movie), whereas "publisher" keeps the text regular. In general I would go with publisher default and make "work" only the things that Wikipedia recommends be italicized in body text. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  22:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, that explains it. All this time I've been putting the publication in the publisher field and adding   to italicize it. I learned something new. Thanks again.- MrX 22:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

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Experts, Opinions and all the others
Your articles on this subject are misleading and down right incorrect. Read the entire books/articles before you make a citation. And if you are discussing Hebrew scripture, know Hebrew. To say that modern translations no longer use a particular word or name is of no use to people researching the ancient and original names and terms and places. The line below speaks as if it is a fact and the citation [19] actually says there is no such Caananite myth about a fallen god but in the Old Testament the Hebrews spoke of such a one! And in context, this is a prophecy by Hebrew prophet for Hebrews and in it a king of Bavel and many kings to come is mentioned. You have translated Heyl-el ben Shachar as Helel ben sahar which is either a typo or you used bible hub which also mistranslates the Hebrew letter Het as Hey, although it's written correctly. The Hey and the Het look similar but are not pronounced the same. Finally, the King James version copied the Latin Vulgate. The Hebrew Heyl-El is a proper name and was not meant to be changed. But the Latin Vulgate did not want the name known and used the word lucifer which can in their own words be a noun or an adjective but not a proper noun. Citation 21 is a Hebrew codex?? Citation [22}. Cannot possibly add to your point in any way.

The term appears in the context of an oracle against a dead king of Babylon,[19] who is addressed as הילל בן שחר (hêlêl ben šāḥar),[20][21] rendered by the King James Version as "O Lucifer, son of the morning!" and by others as "morning star, son of the dawn".

J.Carl Laney has written many books no one has read, not one review on any book and to say that the King of Babylon is a man...duh.

J. Carl Laney has pointed out that in the final verses here quoted, the king of Babylon is described not as a god or an angel but as a man.[24][25]

In a nutshell, the Latin Vulgate was the first to use the word lucifer in place of the Hebrew name Heyl-el. El can mean lord or god and Heyl is the name. The next time the word is pointed to is in Hit Galut, known as the Book of Revelation. In the passages commonly thought to point to the holocaust, its noted that they had the Kokhav Shachar, kokhav means star and Shachar can mean dark, dusky, dawn, early, jetty etc.

And although modern translations use the morning star for Heyl-El, it was meant as a name or sign post in the future.

Interesting to note that Heil Hitler was the Nazi greeting but because of this deception, no one noticed.

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Hi. In this edit, you should have used Redirect instead of faking the hatnote. Like this.

An editor with your years of service and number of edits must definitely know this!

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Biddle's critique of Goodwood is of an obsolete historiographical school, which judges Goodwood according to a post-war breakthrough paradigm the British weren't using for very good reasons, is used to create a spurious difference between US and British-Canadian tactics and operations and ignores the fact that Cobra was a copy of British methods. The Germans concentrated around Caen because they couldn't afford not to, not because they were ubersoldiers. Goodwood was an attrition operation, not a breakthrough attempt and there is evidence that it's real purpose was to encircle the two SS Panzer Corps.Keith-264 (talk) 18:30, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not wedded to Biddle's narrative over another, but I thought it might still bear mentioning. The book that he wrote this analysis in won a number of awards, so it's not like a random thing I plucked out of nowhere. Do you think it is so unrepresentative of scholarly opinion that even having an opposing view would be misleading to the reader? I'm not an expert on military history, so I'm just asking. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  02:15, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * No, not at all, which is why I tidied it a bit; if you want it in specifically that's a decision for you. I know what it's like for someone to stamp all over work which is added in good faith. When I read the analysis section again, I thought that the specifics Biddle refers to, could well do with a direct reference. Buckley has recently published a book on the late-war British army, which consolidates a lot of the empirical research of the last twenty-years or so but the problem for me is that the US operations aren't integrated into a comprehensive synthesis, so that the context of both ends of the bridgehead and how they influenced each other (and the Germans) gets left out. Considering that the US OHs are free online, this seems a commercial and polemical phenomenon. The real purpose of Goodwood is obviously important in a judgement of its success and the idea that Falaise was never the target is quite new - someone writing a history of the 53rd Division, reckons that Goodwood was a pincer movement with Greenline and Pomegranate west of Caen. I'm rather interested in what he can make of the idea when the book gets into print, because the articles on those operations is a patchwork of what I could find and is quite unsatisfactory. Anyway I look forward to your contributions. RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 08:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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Hello, I don't know if you know it or not, but consensus have voted to remove https from Web Archive and YouTube links. It would be nice if you and user Quebec99 will stop adding them back. Thanks. An example of your addition is here: --Mishae (talk) 17:52, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Not sure what you are talking about. I do not add https by default. I did not find https in the link that you provided. Quebec99 (talk) 01:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I was not aware of this but will try to remember to observe it. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  02:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Israeli election date
Hello Jprg1966. As you'll have seen, I reverted your edit to the Israeli election article. It is almost certain that the election will be on that date, but it hasn't been formalised yet – it still has to be agreed by Knesset members. Cheers, Number   5  7  17:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Plus of course the dissolution bill hasn't passed its second or third readings yet! Number   5  7  17:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank You from Dale Stern
Thank You very much Jprg1966 for taking the time and effort to give me constructive criticism. As it is quite late now, I`ll deal now with your question about my impartiality; When I find something that interests me, I devour whatever I can on the subject.When I found some of Milsteins books in a library, I wanted to read more...But the stores didn`t carry them ! So, when I saved up some money for "the book fund", I went to his house to buy them directly. Naturally, I used those opportunities to ask him things I wanted to know, about the things he wrote about, about how he came to writing them, about why I couldn`t find his books in the stores etc... And, in the spirit of a true Wikipedian, when there`s something I think people would like to know, I share it. When I get interested in, say, Mihalyi Czikszentmihaly, I`ll be posting that too!(unless you beat me to it). You`re probably right about overkill, I just got a computer now and I tend to have "Beginners Overdose" Thank You. Dale Dale Stern (talk) 04:58, 5 December 2014 (UTC) Firstly, I intend to re-edit my edits, and BTW, sometimes when I referenced my correspondence with Milstein, it was really something he wrote in some article in one of his myriad books which I couldn`t find when I needed it, so I e-mailed him (he includes his e-mail in his books and invites readers to question and criticize his writings) for their location. Something got lost in communication because he sent me back the information with clarifications, but no references (maybe he doesn`t remember himself ?). So I`ll go over everything, and anything I can`t reference properly I`ll delete (thanks for saving me the effort on the Rabin page, Ha Ha!). Back to the Rabin page, I`d like to hear why you think the Altalena stuff concerning Rabin belongs on the Altalena page versus the Rabin page. As far as the hunk of rusting steel called Altalena is concerned, it makes no difference what the attackers feelings were, just following orders, perhaps even begrudgingly, or spiteful hate. It also makes little difference to the victims, their main interest is what motivated the orders. It DOES however, make a large difference to understanding the attackers themselves (in this case specifically Rabin), which is what Wikipedias Rabin page is meant to do. And as for the "blood convoy", personally, I have no opinion about whether it should be "sped" or "fled". To take an example from contemporary news, the question is not if Darren Wilson the police officer was in serious danger when he shot Michael Brown, it`s if Darren Wilson the HUMAN BEING (with officers training) felt seriously threatened.Even to agree with Milstein ( I don`t) that the danger was manageable, is still not to call it "fled" over bad calculation. Whatever my personal (lack of) opinion, I felt that Wikipedias goal is to give everyone access to information they are interested in, and let them decide for themselves. Thank You Dale Stern (talk) 04:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)