User talk:Jrcla2/Archive 4

Category:Austin Peay Governors men's basketball coaches
Can you change the requested name at WP:CFR to remove the word "men's" from it as well, so the new name would read Category:Austin Peay State Governors basketball coaches? I renamed the main article since your nomination and didn't want to alter your request. I renamed the main article to Austin Peay State Governors basketball as the men's basketball name is the Governors and the women's team is named the Lady Governors, just like the Tennessee Volunteers basketball and Tennessee Lady Volunteers basketball. — Moe  ε  00:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh by the way, I'm assuming that you're planning on moving/updating all head coaching navbox to include "men's" in them (when applicable - obviously ones like Saint Peter's, Wyoming, etc. don't use gender), so I updated the navbox name locations at WikiProject College Basketball/Master Table. It will help you see what needs to be done. Thanks. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you very much, I did plan on updating the templates where applicable. In addition to doing that I was also leaving out men's for colleges like Arkansas Razorbacks men's basketball and changing it to Arkansas Razorbacks basketball to reflect the women's team article would be located at Arkansas Lady Razorbacks basketball (should that article be created), not the Arkansas Razorbacks women's basketball. Thanks for your help. — Moe  ε  19:05, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see you objected the category moves, we can discuss that there. — Moe  ε  19:28, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I went back and changed the Arkansas articles back so that we can discuss it if we need to, I'm still unsure of what the official name is given the Lady Razorbacks is on the NCAA website in the scoreline like it is. We can figure that out later I suppose. — Moe  ε  08:41, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The Arkansas athletics website doesn't even use "Lady", and the NCAA doesn't always get nicknames correct (go figure?), so in this instance it's safer to go with the school. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:14, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiBreak
Jrcla2, happy new year and enjoy the break. I'm in a bit of a slowdown now as well as I just started a new job and have a lot less free time these days. All the best. Jweiss11 (talk) 18:21, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, you too. Yeah I have a lot going on right now and I put that attempted wikibreak up as a way to try to self-regulate my time spent on here. There are more important things that need focusing on instead of Wikilawyering and making sure every statistic is correct on articles. I both love and hate the fact that I joined the Wikipedia community - love because it provides a creative outlet with tangible results that I can't find elsewhere; hate because the addiction has put a serious strain on other parts of my life in the process. I'm also feeling a little disillusioned with Wikipedia right now and need to distance myself, at least temporarily, from the never-ending bullshit one encounters here. We'll see how that goes (I still plan to edit during this indefinite wikibreak, just hopefully not nearly as often). Jrcla2 (talk) 18:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * "...it provides a creative outlet with tangible results that I can't find elsewhere". My sentiments exactly.  You hit the nail on the head there. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:36, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Dabomb87 (talk) 04:19, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Future seasons
I'm going to start handing out The Pedant's Barnstar when these are all over. Or maybe just write WP:NOTHING HAPPENS UNLESS IT IS EXPRESSLY REQUIRED BY OFFICIAL POLICY YOU GUYS essay.--GrapedApe (talk) 06:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I would support that barnstar and essay if you literally chose to do that. If those AfDs result in anything but delete I will have lost a lot of respect for Wikipedia and what it is about. I've already lost respect for the editors who are arguing for keep on the basis of blind devotion to "policy" (per your imaginary essay). It's amazing that some people would rather look through a foggy window because that's what they were told to do rather than use their sleeve, wipe it off and see clearly outside. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * New essay: WP:COLLEGE SONGS ARE INHERENTLY NOTABLE YOU GUYS.--GrapedApe (talk) 03:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow.--GrapedApe (talk) 05:06, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems like PGPirate might soon be going the way of "disgruntled former Wikipedia editor." I'll be surprised if he's not disillusioned by the past 2 weeks. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:47, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * For your consideration: Articles for deletion/East Carolina University Student Transit Authority Articles for deletion/East Carolina University Residence Halls Articles for deletion/East Carolina University Police Department--GrapedApe (talk) 04:54, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Stephen Douglas/ notable William and Mary alumni
Jrcla2 This is the Stephen Harold Douglas referred to in the notable William and Mary Alumni entry that was deleted and I can assure you that I was indeed the person referenced there and all facts were correct! I graduated in 1978 with a BA in Art History. thank you for your assistance. You can see all confirmation on my personal Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/steveblackdouglas

StephenHaroldDouglas (talk) 03:25, 10 January 2012 (UTC)Stephen Harold Douglas, 17 Raglan St, Daylesford, VIC Australia

see previous entry below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_College_of_William_&_Mary_alumni#Music


 * Steve Douglas
 * align="center" | 1978
 * Musician and founder of the band GWARcurrently guitarist with The Resignators and Family Farm Band in Australia
 * align="center" |
 * align="center" |


 * I'll assume you are Stephen Douglas in good faith, but (a) no sources you've provided link yourself directly as a W&M alum (the W&M class year link I mentioned in an edit summary does not constitute a connection since all it has is a name and a class year; the facebook link cannot be accepted [even if true] per WP:RS), (b) there's a conflict of interest since you're adding yourself, and (c) there are not enough reliable sources on you as an individual that go beyond routine coverage (therefore you do not qualify as notable per general notability guidelines). As such, non-notable list entries are discouraged on Wikipedia. Jrcla2 (talk) 05:19, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Further – until substantial, independent sources can both verify your notability as an individual and directly show your connection to W&M, you cannot be added to the list. I'm not singling you out or selectively choosing to be a curmudgeon about this, it's Wikipedia policy. I spent hundreds of hours and over 1,000 edits expanding/sourcing the W&M alumni list article, so I'm particularly weary of new entries that come along. Jrcla2 (talk) 05:23, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Elliott Loughlin
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * From nothing to DYK to B-class in about two weeks. Thank you for your help  &#9786; and thinking Loughlin was a good guy to write about.  I learned a great deal about the doings of Wikipedia from you. JMOprof (talk) 16:26, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's the beauty of collaboration. Two weeks ago the article never existed, now it's great, just like you mentioned. It's stuff like that which would be severely affected if SOPA/PIPA pass. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:15, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

You are invited to join Stanford's WikiProject!
ralphamale (talk) 21:52, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

HS AA teams
I don't know if you are watching, but please comment on whether a story by Rivals.com saying that the history of high school All-American basketball teams includes three current postseason (Parade, USA Today, ESPN HS/ESPN Rise/EA Sports/Student Sports) and one current preseason (Street & Smith) All American Teams is sufficient.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Suggested MVC Coach/Player of the Year merge
Jrcla2 - Any idea how to get this proposal finished and the merge tags removed? It's clearly a bad idea and there is precedent to keep it the way it is on everything from the Academy Awards to Nobel Prizes. Right now the discussion is just sitting there on the two talk pages. I'm tempted to just remove the tags but I know that isn't the proper way to do it. Hope your semi-break is going well. Rikster2 (talk) 12:39, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know if it would be proper to remove the tags, but honestly, the fact that the merge nominator didn't bother responding or debating it with us once we raised about pointed objections would show he has no interest in actually making the merge happen. Plus as you said, it's clearly a bad idea and the merging of the two is pure idiocy. I say go ahead and remove them. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:American expatriate basketball people in Puerto Rico
Category:American expatriate basketball people in Puerto Rico, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. TM 14:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Relevant discussion
You might wish to see Contributor copyright investigations/PGPirate.-GrapedApe (talk) 05:25, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK review note
Sandy Georgia (Talk) 22:44, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Earl Belcher
Orlady (talk) 10:08, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Larry Jeffries
Rschen7754 01:41, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

SIUE Cougars
Hello Jrcla2,

I see that you recently moved SIUE Cougars back to SIU Edwardsville Cougars citing naming convention. However, you didn't specify which naming convention you were referring to. Myself and a few other editors have been putting a lot of effort into the SIUE articles over the past few weeks and one thing we have been striving for is consistency. SIUE never refers to itself as "SIU Edwardsville" (at least not anymore) so we have been using the SIUE abbreviation everywhere. As you can see by looking at SIUE College of Arts and Sciences, SIUE School of Business, SIUE Graduate School, The Gardens at SIUE and many others, this format is standard. If you would like to discuss this issue, I'd be happy to over at Talk:SIUE Cougars. Thanks for your concern and have a great day! Illinois2011 (talk) 04:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2565/siu-edwardsville-cougars) and the NCAA (http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/careersearch) spell out Edwardsville in their structural listings. This informs the standard that Jrcla2 was talking about. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:29, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I suppose. The problem is that the university doesn't spell itself out that way http://www.siuecougars.com. At all. Illinois2011 (talk) 06:08, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * When in doubt, reliable, definitive third parties should trump the first party. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:28, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of List of William & Mary Tribe football seasons
Hello! Your submission of List of William & Mary Tribe football seasons at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —Bagumba (talk) 18:29, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for List of William & Mary Tribe football seasons
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Kenyon Lords athletic directors
Category:Kenyon Lords athletic directors, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 14:49, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You were a little too fast for me. I've combined all those nominations into one nomination now, so if you want to revise your support vote to apply to the whole thing, please do.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:06, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Western Kentucky Hilltoppers athletic directors
Category:Western Kentucky Hilltoppers athletic directors, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 14:57, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Apology
Jrcla2, I am sorry for reverting your legitimate revision on the Yale University article. I was not aware of the correct categorization procedures, so I thank you for showing me the link the the page explaining that. I promise you, I will not make that foolish mistake again! Alexroller (talk) 04:31, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

William and Mary Pep Band title
The William and Mary Pep Band is a student organization, and not technically a part of the Athletics Department. Therefore has an official name specified in its constitution, which is "The William and Mary Pep Band." I think that this article should be moved back to its previous name, but am willing to hear other viewpoints on the matter. See http://web.wm.edu/so/pepband/constitution.pdf. Thanks for all the good work you do for Wikipedia! Benuski (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:02, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Reggie Hamilton
Not right now, but maybe over the summer. I intend to beef up Anthony Davis (basketball) this week. Post season honors season begins next week and he may have some honors coming.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Davis and Thomas Robinson are the front runners for the NPOY, and Davis will undoubtedly be the season blocks champion, so beefing his article up isn't a bad idea. I may create Reggie Hamilton, then, so that the scoring champ article doesn't have any red links. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:00, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oddly, although he is a National Freshman of the year candidate. He has only won the 2nd most SEC FOW awards (Bradley Beal). Who wins SEC FOY? National FOY?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:04, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It is weird that Beal has more weekly awards, but at the end of the season when all the cards are showing, Davis will be the conference FOY and consensus CPOY as well. He's the best player on the best team, who by all accounts are one jump shot away from being undefeated. The voters will recognize what he's done and he'll be rewarded accordingly. Davis will also probably be the USBWA National Freshman of the Year winner too. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:08, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

FLC for List of Connecticut Huskies in the WNBA Draft
Hello. As you are interested in college and professional basketball articles, I was wondering if you would be willing to take a look at the currently-open featured list candidacy for List of Connecticut Huskies in the WNBA Draft. It has been open for 21 days now and has received no comments since February 19. Thanks, –Grondemar 00:31, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

You may want to keep an eye on the 2012 All-America page
Somebody just added the TSN teams. Glad to have it happen but he pasted a bunch of 2011 info and didn't link any of the players. Hopefully it was just his first edit and he plans on cleaning it up. I have meetings all day so I can't really look at it til tonight. Rikster2 (talk) 15:46, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do. I'm busy at work as well. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Advice requested
I'm interested in improving the presentation of the membership timelines for the various DI conferences.

I started a draft writeup at User:Sphilbrick/sandbox for latest project

I'd love to hear your feedback on whether this idea has merit, but I'm especially interested in thoughts on where I should present this. I was originally thinking the Wikiproject basketball page, but it has broader impact than just basketball. I tentatively plan to pick one location, then either write up a an RfC, or add notices to various obvious places. However, I am not sure how best to reach out to everyone who might care, so I'm looking for your advice.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  21:29, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I may regret being impatient, but I went ahead and posted at Talk page of Project College football-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  01:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)
Hi. As you've previously participated at this discussion, I'd like to invite you back to see if we can wrap this up and come to a final decision. Thank you. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:42, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Template:Huskies of Honor navbox
Thanks for the fix. I couldn't figure out what was generating the whitespace. –Grondemar 21:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Phil Roof
Thanks for your revert. The anonymous editor left a message on my talk page saying that he had personally spoken to Phil Roof, and that Phil had approved of his edits. The article is still full of original research, but I was wary of getting into an edit war, so I left it as is. I appreciate your support!Orsoni (talk) 00:31, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was randomly on WT:BASEBALL and saw the message there. Np. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

There was a reason for the changes I made to Orsoni's edits to Phil Roof. For starters, some of what he wrote was inaccurate. Also, in the header, he removed the fact that he was the first man signed by the Toronto Blue Jays. It may be the single most distinguishable aspect of his career. I'm not sure why that would be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.54.247.141 (talk) 22:45, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Verifiability, not truth. Jrcla2 (talk) 00:03, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you look at what I removed, I removed a Baseball-reference link after the sentence, "Roof debuted with the Braves at just nineteen years of age as a September call-up in 1960, but did not appear in a game." The reason I removed it is that this fact is not shown on his Baseball-reference site, and the only reason I know it is because Roof told me. If anything, it would need a "Citation needed" tag. I also removed it after the sentence, "Roof was born in Paducah, Kentucky, and is the cousin of Eddie Haas." The paragraph is referenced at the end by a newspaper article that also states that fact. Finally, I added a link to a newspaper article on the Jim Rittwage and Don Mincher trades. To me these were all reasonable edits that should never have been removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.54.247.141 (talk) 09:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I would recommend you bring this up at WT:BASEBALL and explain to the at-large baseball editing community the reason for your changes. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

The reference to his being the first player to be signed by the blue jays is still in the opening paragraph. I never removed it. In fact, I didn't remove anything that you wrote except to change the wording so that the tone of the article was less like a sports article and more like an encyclopedic entry. The words "hot start" would be out of place in an encyclopedia article. But Jrcla2 is right, we shouldn't discuss this here, but on WT:BASEBALL.Orsoni (talk) 13:41, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Why would that even be necessary? I didn't make harmful edits. Why were they undone? I added his claim to fame in the opening paragraph, replaced links to Baseball-reference with links to more detailed accounts of the trade, and removed a link where it was inaccurate. Shouldn't the person who removed that have explaining to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.54.247.141 (talk) 10:02, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was also unaware of any ruling on whether or not statistics should be posted in the format I posted them in. Beyond that and the "hot start" comment, I really didn't see any reason to make all the changes you did. I don't see why the fact that he is Eddie Haas' cousin needed to be linked to his Baseball-reference stat page versus the newspaper article I used for a reference. Likewise, the Jim Rittwage and Don Mincher trades. I got the impression that you have ownership issues and needlessly changed things back to the way you had them before I edited it. --J.S.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.54.247.141 (talk) 15:10, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't remove any of your reference citations. That would be wrong. Your Jim Rittwage and Don Mincher trade citation was never removed from the article. The baseball-reference citation was used as a source in reference to the year his career began, and also as a citeable source in reference to his kinship with Eddie Haas. As per Wikipedia guidelines, your conversation with Phil Roof is considered original research and is not acceptable as a source.Orsoni (talk) 02:35, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Please don't accuse me of doing something I haven't. I never "sourced" my conversations with Roof. I even went so far as to admit that at least one fact that I added to his article could probably use a "Citation needed" tag. I respect the fact that there also may be one or two other facts stated in the article that could also use this tag. He told me about getting arrested with Spahn, his first major league home run and that he was the first player signed by the Blue Jays. All of which is good information that belongs in a Wikipedia article. I then took what he told me, and found it on the net. Again, I get the impression that you have ownership issues because a lot of what you did to this article after I edited it was simply reverting it back to the way you had it before hand. --J.S.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.54.247.141 (talk) 17:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The edit history shows that I reworded your edits to give the article a more encyclopedic tone without removing any of your additions, which you then promptly reverted to your previous version. I haven't touched the article since then, so your claim that I own the article doesn't hold water. Please take your case to WT:BASEBALL.Orsoni (talk) 02:34, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You added a bunch of unnecessary links to Baseball-Reference. Does your uncle own the website or something? Anyway when I removed them in unneccessary or inaccurate places, you posted that whole "Heads up" nonsense in WT:BASEBALL. This isn't the first time you've done something like this to me. Every time I edit an article you've already edited you do this. --J.S.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.54.246.53 (talk) 09:54, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

'''Please stop using my wall as your battleground. Take this elsewhere.''' Jrcla2 (talk) 13:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

All-conference teams in infobox
In case it wasn't on your watchlist, can you comment on latest discussion at User_talk:Martin_tamb. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 08:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Am I blue?
Jrcla, you recently changed the "official" color on the Kentucky men's basketball team navbox here. Unfortunately, the Wildcats men's basketball navbox is one of several UK sports navboxes, including football, women's basketball, etc., all of which retain the previous shade of blue. I'm no expert on UK's particular PMS shade of blue, but it stands to reason that all of the UK teams use the same blue, right? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I changed the ones that User:Trocksuk4415 had erroneously changed to regular blue. If you look at his editing history between 15:30 and 15:39 on March 19, those are the Kentucky navboxes/articles that I corrected. I meant to get all of the UK navboxes but totally forgot to get the rest. As shown by that edit summary, I have corrected some of them to the official shade per UK guidelines. Didn't mean to exclude any, I was just preoccupied. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Just went in and changed the remaining Kentucky navboxes. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Musa Shannon
I've reverted you and restored valid categories. Regards, GiantSnowman 18:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Clement J. McNaspy
Per your note from a few days ago, I did some digging and created an article on Clement J. McNaspy. The existing article for C. J. McNaspy relates to his son. Cbl62 (talk) 23:33, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Ahh ok, that makes more sense then. Thanks for doing that, much appreciated. Jrcla2 (talk) 05:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

UK nav box
I didn't add it, but I'll keep that in mind. The last IP I logged in on was shared, might be why it looked like me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rail88 (talk • contribs) 04:40, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Glad to see the edit
Glad to see the edit you made to Maggie Dixon Award. I had forgotten that the info box had the latest winner, but while glancing at the edit, I realized there was a High Point Panthers page. That wasn't listed in the Master Table, so not in List of current NCAA Division I women's basketball coaches, and when I went to the school page I missed that there was a link to the teams page. -- SPhilbrick (Talk)  17:50, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah no problem. Even if High Point Panthers was a redirect, it'd be better just to include it anyway because eventually the article will be made. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Reggie Hamilton (basketball)
The DYK project (nominate) 01:36, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

MTSU women's hoops coaches

 * I almost immediately realized that I had erred by including the word "State" in the category name and created a new one, rather than adding Coach Inman to the existing one. I then partly corrected that fault, but I neglected to tag the new one for speedy deletion, because I was a bit rushed for time. I also added to the prior category the names of the MTSU women's basketball coaches which were available to me--- there is a gap between Sue Gunter in '64 and Pat Jones in '75--- only to discover today that you have deleted them. Do you have a reason for their deletion? GWFrog (talk) 22:39, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

FYI
WP:Sockpuppet_investigations/DragoLink08. Long time no see! JohnInDC (talk) 23:36, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

TB
-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 19:57, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Walter Luckett
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:47, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Re:College baseball coaches' navbox
I'd be happy to do so. I'll take care of those for conference realignment during the summers, as well. Thanks for the idea! Kithira (talk) 14:57, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Question: On Template:Big 12 Conference baseball coach navbox, how, if at all, would I denote that Tadlock is the interim coach at Texas Tech? I saw the pound sign on the Texas Tech navbox, but what about conference coaches' navbox? Kithira  (talk) 15:26, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I wouldn't bother noting that on the conference navbox. It will be tough to denote without looking sloppy, and at the end of the day anyone who wants to read anything further about that specific head coach or that team can go to their respective articles. Those articles, especially the coaching navbox one for Tadlock (or his predecessor, whoever has the navbox) will show he's interim. It'd be too unwieldy to make the note of it in the Big 12 navbox. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:23, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, thanks. Kithira (talk) 16:25, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:26, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jay Jeffrey
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:04, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

College basketball categories
I saw your request to rename Category:Lists of men's college basketball players to Category:Lists of college men's basketball players. I'm fine if that's the convention for cats, but most articles list the gender first. Go figure. I was also looking further into other categories and wondered if it should be renamed to Category:Lists of college men's basketball players in the United States, similar to Category:College men's basketball players in the United States. Although my first reaction was, "Does any other country have college basketball?".—Bagumba (talk) 20:02, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Good idea with the addition of "in the United States" – that should definitely be included, and I'm making the addition to the CfR now. The Philippines has a very strong and thriving college basketball system. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:15, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, good to know, since I haven't run into any other college hoops categories or articles (yet) that weren't US related.—Bagumba (talk) 20:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

St. Ambrose
I moved the article per your request. A little slow on my part, but I finally got around to it. Cbl62 (talk) 21:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Better late than never. Thanks - I'll go cfr those cats now. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:40, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Gregg Marshall
Hi, I see you and another editor are disagreeing about the references in the infobox of the above page. I am not aware of the specifics of needing to cite within an infobox, so I won't address that. The other editor made a personal attack against you, but you should still keep cool when you revert his edits. The two of you seem to have a different understanding of the rules of citations. Show him in Wikipedia's policies where you think he is mistaken; otherwise, this will develop into an edit war. Thanks. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  15:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Another editor clarified the situation here. I agree that this is best resolved through a talk page discussion. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  15:40, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's an IP from Australia who has a holier-than-thou attitude toward editing (see his talk page history for numerous other editors who feel this way, it's not just me). He's also adding superfluous references to articles for every single season record, which as was adequately explained on your talk page, is unnecessary to do because its verifiable and not verified information. By adding all of those references it adds thousands of kilobytes of text to articles for nothing more than page clutter. Most of those coaches need one (1, uno, un) reference to encompass the entirety of his season-by-season coaching records, which I would accept. But just because it's a policy to provide references to support information does not make it mandatory to do so for every single line of every single infobox. It's actually downright distracting, rather than helpful, when trying to read the season by season records to see all of those little blue numbers cluttering the page. Also, I have little to no respect for IPs who think they can spit policy when they're too cowardly to even create an account. I know for a fact that this IP in question uses multiple IP addresses to edit, making his edit history more difficult to trace and consequently making it more difficult to keep messages to him, good or bad, consistent and in one place. Since Day 1 I've believed that to edit on Wikipedia you need to register an account and this is one of the reasons why. I'm not going to edit war over this, if he wants to keep doing what he's doing, fine, I've got other things to concern myself on here, such as creating hundreds of quality of articles and being a much better editor than 99.999% of users on here. Please don't bother writing here again as this issue is dead to me, but I do appreciate you letting me know of the situation. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:56, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Jrcla, if I might make a suggestion . . . if an honor, award, championship or statistic is important enough to be included in a player or coach's infobox, then it should also be included in the main body text of the article. All facts in a well-written BLP should be supported by footnoted sources.  If they are sourced in the main body text, then they do not need to be sourced/footnoted in the infobox or lead section.  Personally, I try to avoid footnoting within infoboxes whenever possible for all of the reasons you ahve cited above . . . I am, however, strongly in favor of footnoting main body text, especially within BLPs, regardless of the application of the "verifiable" rule to the specific circumstances.  Footnoted sources tend to end goofy content disputes.  My suggestion: strike the compromise, and let the IP chase the footnotes for the main body text.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like there's a little footnote madness happening with the season records table, too. Here's a link to an online PDF copy of the Big South basketball media guide: .  One footnote for the media guide eliminates the need for a dozen or more separate footnotes for Marshall's season win-loss records while he was coaching at Winthrop.  I'm sure either his present college or conference media guide is also available.  Let me know if you need any help with this guy; maybe we need to introduce him to the concept of talk page consensus.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * DL, the original post was brought up regarding the season by season coaching records. As far as I was aware this IP was not adding references to infoboxes (if he was, and I removed them, I forgot I had done so). I am more concerned with the clutter on the yearly record charts a la Gregg Marshall. He added close to 5,000 kBs of text for nothing more than season by season record references. While this may not slow an article like Marshall's down, doing that on an article like James Naismith and it might. In either case it's unattractive, superfluous and wholly unnecessary. If you want to spearhead the convo with this guy, by all means please do so. At this point he would never listen to me or Rikster2. I don't have time for clowns like 203.217.29.182. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Jrcla, I assume that you and Rikster will back my edits and solution to the Gregg Marshall records table controversy. I have replaced 20+ separate footnotes for damn near every data point in the table with just two comprehensive footnote sources from the Big South and Wichita State. The ridiculous clutter has been removed. If anyone objects to the placement of the two footnotes within the table, they can also be placed outside the table, immediately following it. Either practice is acceptable. Don't let the bastards get you down. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:36, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing so. It seems like I've had run-ins with numerous editors lately (both of the IP and registered variety) and so this particular situation put me in an even grumpier mood than usual when I have conflicts with editors. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:42, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Anthony Davis (basketball) GA
On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, I would like to thank you for editorial efforts that helped Anthony Davis (basketball) become a WP:GA.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:47, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Congrats! :D

 * Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 12:31, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK discussion
Hi, need your input here. Thanks -- S M S  Talk 19:06, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't mean that you did that error deliberately (if you understood like that). I would also have reviewed it exactly the way you did, if the source was offline. I called you for the discussion so to just have your observation. Regards -- S M S  Talk 19:21, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No offense taken, I did understand that you just wanted to make me aware of it. I just wanted to clear my name from the onset just in case some other editor wanted to come in and chastise me for "approving" the hook. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:23, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

User:206.212.89.240
Do you have the ability to shut this guy's access down? He keeps changing Harrison Barnes and John Henson's middle names. Didn't realize you'd already warned him Rikster2 (talk) 22:45, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't personally have the ability but I reported him to WP:AIV. I'm guessing someone there will be a stop to it...we'll see how long they decide to make the block though. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:45, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Harry 'Cy' Young.jpg
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Thanks!
Thanks for participating in my RFA! I appreciate your support. Zagal e jo^^^ 06:32, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. We need an admin who oversees the NBA Project pretty badly, but I wouldn't have voted support if I didn't think you'd actually use your admin tools wisely. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:15, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Walter J. Zable
— Crisco 1492 (talk)) 08:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Bob Harstad
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

State Fair Game
I believe the Louisiana Tech-Northwestern State rivalry was commonly known as the State Fair Game. Searching through the Louisiana newspaper archives, I got 596 matches for State Fair Game and only 86 matches for State Fair Classic. That mention of "The Rag" in the NSU media guide was the first and only time I've every seen anything about a rag. There isn't a single mention of a rag in the newspaper archives. -AllisonFoley (talk) 20:16, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't care what it's ultimately called as long as it's included. All of those mentions you found, referring to a solid 40-year history of a rivalry, makes it notable enough to be included in the navboxes. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:32, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

WT:NBA
You only commented on one of my two template issues yesterday. Would you be able to comment on the other.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Credo Reference Update & Survey (your opinion requested)
Credo Reference, who generously donated 400 free Credo 250 research accounts to Wikipedia editors over the past two years, has offered to expand the program to include 100 additional reference resources. Credo wants Wikipedia editors to select which resources they want most. So, we put together a quick survey to do that:


 * Link to Survey (should take between 5-10 minutes): http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N8FQ6MM

It also asks some basic questions about what you like about the Credo program and what you might want to improve.

At this time only the initial 400 editors have accounts, but even if you do not have an account, you still might want to weigh in on which resources would be most valuable for the community (for example, through WikiProject Resource Exchange).

Also, if you have an account but no longer want to use it, please leave me a note so another editor can take your spot.

If you have any other questions or comments, drop by my talk page or email me at wikiocaasi@yahoo.com. Cheers! Ocaasit &#124; c 17:21, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for List of William & Mary Tribe head football coaches
Yngvadottir (talk) 16:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Levy Middlebrooks
Graeme Bartlett (talk 00:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hameen Ali
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Want to try to knock out another CPOY template by this weekend?
There are a couple of 2-3 redlink CPOY templates out there that would be easy to finish. Metro Conference has 2 redlinks while the Mountain West has three (including last year's POY, who is returning and has a shot to repeat). Meanwhile, the CAA and Great West, which used to be complete, need articles for their 2012 winners. What do you think? Seven articles would knock out 4 templates. Rikster2 (talk) 14:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm looking pretty busy this week/weekend but if some things fall off my schedule I may be able to assist. I'm actually a little bit slow at work right now so I might be able to work on some during the work days (don't tell my boss). I'll tentatively claim Gary Yoder and Mekeli Wesley, then see where it goes from there. Let me know who you plan to do. Also - believe it or not, we're actually making legitimate progress on these CPOYs. I'm sure you noticed that Southwest Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year was created recently, but is drastically under filled. Do you happen to know if 1958 was the first year of the award? Jrcla2 (talk) 14:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've got some of them. The issue with the SWC is that I'm not convinced the league gave out an official POY for much of its history.  I think many schools claimed major newspaper POYs (Houston, Dallas) as official in their media guides.  I have a dozen or so SWC media guides and while All-Conference teams are clear, it's hard to sort out the POYs.  I'll take a look this week and see what I can do, though. Rikster2 (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll tackle Jarvis Lang next. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'll get Nick Welch and finish off the MWC. Rikster2 (talk) 16:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Mountain West and CAA are done. I'll leave Isaiah Wilkerson and the Great West to you, since you are a Jersey guy ;-)  My next conference of focus will be the WAC - only 4 redlinks. Rikster2 (talk) 00:48, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay sounds fine to me. After that I'll probably focus on the SWAC and SoCon, since both of those navboxes contain dreadful amounts of red links. (Actually, the Southland is probably the worst in terms of shear number of red links, but it's a terrible conference and most of those guys don't link other navboxes or AA articles. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Southland Conference might be the very last CPOY navbox we end up finishing.) Jrcla2 (talk) 03:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * WAC is done, my next move is probably the Horizon (6 redlinks) or the MVC (8). I am also only 3 articles away from completion of all the national champ templates through 1953, so I may fit some of those in too. Rikster2 (talk) 13:12, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice job. Work has gotten busier so I'm not able to as easily work on these articles, but I'm still trying to get the SWAC and SoCon dwindled down. Since writing these bios is a labor of love I don't mind, but sometimes I feel like we're the only two doing any of this (except Cityboy and the Butler players). Jrcla2 (talk) 14:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Who was the guy who did Lamar articles? There are three Southland POYs from there who are redlinked. Rikster2 (talk) 14:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ThomasHorn7, I'm pretty sure. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:43, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Ralf/Ralph Woods
Hey, Awhile back you asked if the Illinois player was the same as the U of Denver coach. I ran across a couple of things that point to them being the same guy - most notably this. No idea which spelling is correct, though. Rikster2 (talk) 19:46, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems to be the guy, yep. My thought would be to name the article Ralph Woods, but in the opening sentence mention that some sources show his name as Ralf Woods. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:16, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Isaiah Wilkerson
Pretty sure he became the Great West All-Time Leading scorer now and should replace Andrew Gonzalez on the List of NCAA Division I men's basketball career scoring leaders article. By my count he scored 1,303 points in his last three years (GW has only existed 3 years), Gonzalez had 1,266. Not sure if you find anything different - not like there was a big press release or anything! Rikster2 (talk) 19:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll dig into that when I can. I like your logic though, so there must be something out there denoting that accomplishment. Jrcla2 (talk) 04:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gabby Price


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 * I've removed the prod here. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 02:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Isaiah Wilkerson
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mekeli Wesley
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:03, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Sedric Webber
Yngvadottir (talk) 00:03, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that the Greek basketball teams' players should be listed under Greek Basket League players as a parent category
I don't think that is correct, and I was just trying to fix it.173.216.233.111 (talk) 12:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do you think it is incorrect? Jrcla2 (talk) 12:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Because none of the other pro basketball leagues are listed that way, so that if you add a category to any player that played in the league, someone else automatically removes that player. For example, if you add the player as having played in a Greek League team, he automatically gets removed from having played in the Greek League, with the reasoning being, "removed parent category". Yet, this does not happen for players of other pro basketball league categories. Honestly, this makes no sense at all. So that eventually, there would be zero players listed under the league players category. Because every time you add a player to a team's player category, he automatically gets removed from the league's player category, with the explanation being, "removed parent category". So obviously, the team's need to be removed from the "parent category".173.216.233.111 (talk) 10:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * not that you asked me, but the top league in the world, the NBA, is done this way (take a look Category:National Basketball Association players) and the Israeli Super League and Chinese Basketball Association are both going that way as more club categories are created. In truth, very few broad league categories even exist.  If someone played for a club in a given league, then they by definition played in that league, so two categories are unnecessary.  You are right, at some point the Greek Basket League category would be totally diffused, with no individual players, only club categories.  That isn't a bad thing.  It's the same reason "people from Sacramento, California" wouldn't need "people from California" too. Rikster2 (talk) 13:35, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Those other leagues are not having the parent category automatically removed every time a player is added to a team's list of players.173.216.233.111 (talk) 10:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you have the concept correct about parent categories, 173.216.233.111, but you have a completely backwards concept of how categories work. Category:Greek Basket League players is ideally only supposed to have team subcategories with no individuals listed. Like Rikster2 said, the NBA, the NBA Development League, Chinese Basketball Association, Euroleague, Australia's National Basketball League, all NCAA schools, etc. do this. Some are more completely diffused than others (please read WP:CATDIFFUSE, which will elucidate the matter for you). You're incorrectly adding the parent category back into articles that they shouldn't be on. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:10, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If you add a player from Israeli league, Adriatic league, Spanish league, Chinese league to a team from one of those leagues, he does not autmoatically get removed from the league's player list. If you add a player to a list of players for a Greek team, he automatically gets removed from the league's list of players. So regardless, it's not the same thing at all.173.216.233.111 (talk) 10:42, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * How come Chinese Basketball Association, Israeli Basketball Super League, and Liga ACB are not done this way? When you add a player to team's category from a team from one of those leagues, they do not automatically get deducted from the list of the league's players. It makes no sense. Eventually, there would be zero players listed under the list of league players, because whenever you add a player to a Greek team's player list, someone automatically removes that player from the list of the Greek league's players. Again, this is not done for the Spanish league, Israeli league, Adriatic league. So why is it being done for the Greek league? If this is true then it should be done for all of those other international leagues also. And, the categories of league players should just be deleted, since eventually they would all come to zero players.173.216.233.111 (talk) 10:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The reason those leagues appear to be done differently is because nobody has gotten around to diffusing them. Your reasoning for deleting all leagues' player parent categories is off base; those are supposed to be container categories whose sole purpose is to diffuse the specific teams' subcategories. Look at Category:National Basketball Association players by club. No individual players are found in it, but if Joe Q. Smith is found in Category:Philadelphia 76ers players, then he is transitively an NBA player. I fail to see what's so complicated about this. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Then why is no one diffusing them? I notice that it was only my edits that were getting changed and it is only two editors changing them. Next thin, after this discussion, bunches of players are being removed from the Greek Basket League players list. There still isn't any explanation for this. But since there is not any actual discussion here, and just two editors saying how it will be, then I think that all of the others need to be edited the same way. Otherwise it looks like just the Greek League players category is being removed. I mean, why not actually fix this then if there is something wrong with it, instead of just "removing parent category" edits hundreds of times? It's odd that other editors are making similar edits, like adding a player to Liga ACB players category, and to Spanish team player categories, and the edit does not automatically get removed, with the the "removed parent category" edit. Besides this, why is the NBA category the way that every other league has to be done? Anyway, perhaps the two of you could help to fix this Greek League player category if it is so wrong, rather than just "removing parent category". I also don't see the edits being made to the other leagues in question. Serious question, do I have to start making edits to the other league categories, so that you will start to automatically "remove parent category" on them too? I edited some articles, and you guys "removed parent category" ONLY for the Greek Basket League players category, and you left other parent categories for Liga ACB, etc. I just wonder, why are all of my edits automatically scanned and changed? What site rule did I break that I got placed into an automatic bot edit? Category:Categories requiring diffusion Shouldn't all of the league player categories have been placed there into the categories needing diffusion, and not just the Greek one? Seems a bit odd. If what you guys say is true, why would you only add that one league and not the other ones? 173.216.233.111 (talk) 22:28, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "Then why is no one diffusing them?" Because nobody has taken it as an initiative. So instead of crying about what other people haven't done, you can volunteer, like I have, to correct the problem. You're being too touchy about the Greek Basketball League as being singled out; relax, it's only because those were the edits noticed first. Now that the issue has expanded, more can be done to correct it. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:51, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you guys not understand that foreign leagues, unlike the NBA use a promotion and relegation system? Maybe in the NBA, every player that played on an NBA team is also an "NBA player", but it does not work that way in foreign leagues. Many players played for a pro team, but played in lower divisions, like the second division. Yet, you would automatically list them as having played in the first division league, even if they did not. Because you place all the teams players under the league players list. I am sorry, but what you are doing is simply factually wrong and incorrect and it has no relation to how the NBA works. You guys are simply wrong and don't realize it. You are incorrect and you need to rethink it.173.216.233.111 (talk) 12:30, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations
If you like you can add this userbox to your collection.

```Buster Seven   Talk  06:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Jrcla2 (talk) 12:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Final Four category renaming
Don't love it. Having the word "basketball" in there twice is redundant and the title is long as it is. Rikster2 (talk) 12:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't think about how the category actually started with the word "Basketball" and all I saw was how the rest of the category's tournament title didn't match the article or category tree. It's still early and I wasn't thinking. Agree with you in that it's redundant, but I'm not entirely sure these categories should even exist. It seems like a tenuous connection for these players to have, unlike playing in the Olympics or another major international tournament in which they represent their countries. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:42, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Obviously I don't agree. The FF is a big event and it's seen as an achievement to play in it.  I think being able to see who has played in a FF is useful but having one category for all FF participants is too unwieldy.  The Pan Ams are actually a pretty minor international event IMO.  Rikster2 (talk) 12:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Newlife512
I had the same thought as you - my only reservation is that this one's edits don't seem quite as illegible or unattractive as prior puppets', maybe he got a new monitor? - but in any case I think if you tag their page you need to follow up at SSI with a report. I'm not positive of that but I didn't want someone knocking at your door if in fact it's expected! JohnInDC (talk) 14:50, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe it's because I'm a bit pessimistic when it comes to SPI accounts on Wikipedia, but the reason I think it's DragoLink08 is because (a) the new username is almost taunting in that it's like he figured out how to avoid the block and decided to let it be known, and (b) after being blocked many times – both as Drago and as IPs – this person is picking up how to avoid being instantly detected again. Considering this new editor has been concentrating on color schemes to college sports' articles and navboxes, as well as the occasional dabble in wrestling, I think it's the same person. Just something to keep an eye on, I suppose. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't disagree with any of that. (I'd overlooked the wrestling angle.)  Your template may cause him to abandon this one and move on, and solve the (immediate) problem; but what I've done in the past in other cases is that when I detect some new obvious puppet, if they don't seem to be doing much harm, I follow their edits and just let them run until they begin to disrupt things (which they invariably do).  Then I get them blocked.  At least then you know where they are!  (If and when you do file an SSI report here, I'll see it and will weigh in with my concurrence.)  JohnInDC (talk) 16:25, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

FYI, Sockpuppet investigations/DragoLink08 in case you have anything to add. JohnInDC (talk) 02:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Category:American college football navigational boxes by team
Jrcla2, FYI, I've recreated Category:American college football navigational boxes by team to organize the categories of navboxes by team. Category:NCAA Division I FBS team navigational boxes and the like are intended to organize the team (i.e. program overview) navboxes themselves. Category:American college football navigational boxes by team was recently emptied by an editor who missed this distinction, and then it was deleted. Perhaps, it should be subdivided by division now that its population has grown. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 13:12, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the changes you're mentioning, but I think it'd be prudent if you wrote clear descriptions in each of those categories so future editors don't get confused as to their purposes. I bet whomever emptied/deleted the category before just didn't know what it was for, and a little inner-category description can probably go a long way. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Tara VanDerveer
Hi, I'm working on the Tara VanDerveer article, one you've contributed to. According to the info box, Ohio State had a Big Ten championship in 1982. However, according to page 174 of the OSU Media Guide the Ohio State women's team wasn't part of Big Ten competition until the 1982-83 season.

I'm tempted to remove it, and you may be wondering why I am contacting you.

According to Wikiblame, the material was first added by this edit, but that's a bot edit, and is clearly changing the case of words, not adding new material. You were the last non-bot to edit before that material - and while I don't think you added it, I know your name well from sports articles, so I thought you might be able to help solve the mystery.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  15:23, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I can help out on this one. I don't really follow the women's game and none of the sources that I'd be able to find would be anything you probably haven't already seen yourself. You might want to try WT:CBBALL, or Rikster2 has a lot of college basketball databases and media guides at his disposal. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:06, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't clear in my question. I'm fairly sure I have the facts right, and plan to make the change, but I wanted to inform whomever added the information, and I wasn't able to figure it out. When I saw that you were the last person to edit before the addition, I thought you might be able to figure it out—my question is more about Wikipedia workings than underlying facts. No problem if you don't have the time or interest. (Actually, I'm not fully certain of the facts, so have written to the OSU athletic department)-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  13:54, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

An article you worked on has been nominated for deletion
MG Services has been nomiated for deletion. If you would like to comment on the discussion, it is located at Articles for deletion/MG Services ColtsScore (talk) 18:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Brian Ehlers
I have given this nomination a good review. However, i wonder if you can give an alternative hook from Brian Ehlers article. I have made one suggestion, but the original hook is interesting, as well. It's your decision. --George Ho (talk) 05:19, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * There isn't a ton to work with on this article as far as hooks go, so I'm cool either way. Thank you though. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:49, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ugonna Onyekwe
Hello! Your submission of Ugonna Onyekwe at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 21:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Final ping: there has been no response to the issue raised regarding this nomination. If no progress is made by the end of the month, or a start made at doing so, the nomination will be closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:20, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I added some more comments to this nomination. Moswento talky 18:59, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * A final ping: this has been marked to be closed, since there has been no response in a week; if you wish to prevent the nomination from being rejected, you need to address the issues there right away. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the note, but I'm focused on other endeavors right now, so if this particular DYK nom has to be rejected, I'll live with the outcome. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:44, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Brian Ehlers
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Your input requested at WP:College basketball
Hello - There is a discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball discussing standards for team schedules on college basketball team season pages. I thought you might have opinions about what should be included in these and formatting. Please feel free to join the discussion. Rikster2 (talk) 01:44, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Probable CFB sock puppets
Jrcla, please take a look at this: User talk:Cuchullain. I think this may be our old friend again, turning up under new guises, and continuing to change the color of records tables and templates. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:01, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have the utmost ill will toward that editor as a human being (if it's DragoLink08, in fact). Get the hell off of Wikipedia forever if all you're going to do is repeatedly make edits that numerous editors have warned you about dozens of times for being bad. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:25, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Checkuser is done: Sockpuppet investigations/Bt8257. There's an apparent DragoLink connection: User:NewLife512, previously connected to Drago and blocked.  Caught five other socks in the same net, editing Gators-related articles and the usual college football rivalry articles, with some navboxes thrown in for good measure.  You may want to have a look-see, and see if you have anything to add or can identify any other potentially related socks.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:48, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

College Baseball All-America Teams
Hey, Jrcla. I just saw your addition of the new 1958 navbox to the Bernie Parrish article. In checking the 1959 navabox, I found Perry McGriff, and moved his misnamed article ("Perry C. McGriff") to match the navbox link. Can't say we Gators aren't doing our part to light up the blue links. . ..

If you search the obvious name variants, I would be willing to bet that there are other similarly misnamed baseball player articles (or misnamed navbox links, depending on your perspective). Usually, it's a matter of birth name vs. nickname or the inclusion of unnecessary middle initials included in the article title. Cheers, and thanks for your usual good work. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I found Andy Phillips (baseball) as the listed entry on 1947 College Baseball All-America Team, but because I recognized his name from his basketball career, I was able to correct both the article and the navbox to show it as Andy Phillip. That one happened to be dumb luck; if there are any other mistakes on the baseball AA pages, I'm likely not going to know (nor do I feel like taking the time to test out name variants, a more inclined WP:CBASEBALL editor may want to spot check these articles). I figured it was about time the baseball project got their own set of AA navboxes... Jrcla2 (talk) 23:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

cut and paste not appropriate
Hello, per your note at Talk:Damon Wilson. You may now know that it is inappropriate to cut and paste content without giving appropriate credit and that the better idea would have been a Moving a page.

The original user draft is now up for discussion Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Brandnewdrew/Damon Wilson if you would like to provide any historical insight. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  16:27, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't talk to me like I'm a new editor. I know about moving pages and cutting/pasting. I began the article's live page two years ago and gave credit as to where it came from on its talk page. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:07, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Hand-coding
Hey all :).

I'm dropping you a note because you've been involved in dealing with feedback from the Article Feedback Tool. To get a better handle on the overall quality of comments now that the tool has become a more established part of the reader experience, we're undertaking a round of hand coding - basically, taking a sample of feedback and marking each piece as inappropriate, helpful, so on - and would like anyone interested in improving the tool to participate :).

You can code as many or as few pieces of feedback as you want: this page should explain how to use the system, and there is a demo here. Once you're comfortable with the task, just drop me an email at and I'll set you up with an account :).

If you'd like to chat with us about the research, or want live tutoring on the software, there will be an office hours session on Monday 17 December at 23:00 UTC in. Hope to see some of you there! Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:26, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Bob Harris
Hey - I see where you'd added the Junior College player category to Bob Harris (basketball) a few months back and I was wondering if you remember where you came across that? I am trying to track this down and can't find any old newspaper articles. I do see in the Murray State Racers media guide that a "Bob Harris" played there in the 1945-46 season (which would fit perfectly), but since the category says Murray College the JC - and there is one - and the name is so common I hesitate to put that in as fact. Any help? Rikster2 (talk) 19:22, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I found it here at databasebasketball.com. It confirms that he played at Murray State College, although I'm unsure of his tenure there. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:29, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmm ... I was afraid of that. Usually JCs have decent info or I can find an old article.  Seems weird that Murray State in KY would have a guy by the same name at the right time.  Wondering if databasebasketball may not be correct.  Murray State was an NAIA school and with many of the transfer restrictions lifted during WWII it's plausible he could have moved schools without sitting a year.  I have a couple longshot sources I can check in hard copy - I'll see what I can find. Rikster2 (talk) 19:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I definitely think databasebasketball can be wrong, they have been before. Good luck. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:43, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Ways to improve Jim Nolan (basketball)
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