User talk:Jsaaty

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Please do not post copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder, as you did to Analytic Hierarchy Process. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Gscshoyru 17:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Please cite this source, rather than copy/pasting wholesale. Also... you think I'm a bot? Gscshoyru 21:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This article was written by my father Thomas Saaty and is cited as such at the top of the article. What type of citation are you seeking?  Are you a Wikipedia administrator?


 * It is very important that we be able to post the "how to" of the analytic hierarchy process. Every time this is done, it is being reverted by you back to a rudimentary page without a description or images, and a comment about it being not encyclopedic in tone.  I would like to start a dialogue with you about what it is that you are seeking here, because this is a major issue.


 * John Saaty


 * Couple basic things, first off -- please put new comments on the bottom of the page, and please sign your comments with four tildes: ~ like that. Also -- please reply on my talk so I know when I get a message from you. Thanks!


 * What you've tried to add to the article sounds completely unenyclopedic, it sounds like an essay. That's ok, because it's supposed to be and essay. It is not, however, supposed to be part of an encyclopedia article. You may cite these sources, that is, add content based on the contents of the source, without directly copying, but you may not simply add the source itself. See WP:CITE for more details.


 * And finally, you should not be posting the "how to" of the process -- see WP:NOT A (very) general overview, perhaps, of the methods but nowhere near the level of detail you're providing.


 * I'm sure there's plenty of useful content that you can cite from that source, but please follow the wikipedia guidelines in doing so, ok? We'd be glad to have you vastly improve the article! Gscshoyru 21:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I will try to revise the article so that it sounds more encyclopedic. We are only seeking to improve the content which is inaccurate at this point. But who is the ultimate decider here? I don't know who you are or why you are using Twinkle to revert every change made to this article from multiple posters. I don't have any assurance that changes that I make to this article to attempt to improve it will not simply (and always) be reverted back. We want to post useful content. This is really not an encouraging process. Jsaaty 22:10, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Jsaaty, could I suggest that you don't revert to your version, but work from Gscshoyru's version? You have used the revert function 3 times in the last 24 hours, so are in danger of going over the Three-revert rule. ---Addhoc 22:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

From WP:EAR
== Person using Twinkle reverts article every time it is updated ==

Please help. I have no idea how to address this, but user Gscshoyru has activated a program called Twinkle that simply reverts an article every time it is changed. This person has done this consistently and to several people who have tried to post. The posting is to the page for the Analytic Hierarchy Process. There is no contact information about how to get in touch with this person.

Thank you,

John Saaty


 * Ok, I'll leave a message for the editor, however please could you stop the revert battle? Addhoc 21:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There isn't a revert battle, Gschoyru has left a message on the users talk page about copy-vio problems on Analytic Hierarchy Process. i shall post this text to both editors talk pages. Mik e 33 - t @ lk  22:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I am happy to respond here, but cannot respond in any other way to remind you that we do not use copyright information in Wikipedia, it doesn't matter who did. Every post you make, you agree to '''Do not copy text from other websites without a GFDL-compatible license. It will be deleted.''' Mik e 33 - t @ lk  22:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

RE: John Saaty
from User_talk:Mike33
 * Hi Mike33, thank you for your posting. I am trying to figure out what is the problem with the changes we posted to the information on the Analytic Hierarchy Process.  There is no copyrighted material that has been pulled from anywhere else.  All of the images were created by Thomas Saaty.  Were the image tags not put in correctly?  I am really new to this and it would be helpful if you know of an editor whom we could work with that could take my father's work, help us cite it correctly, and add the images for use by the broader community.  Right now we are just having people revert the content when it is changed and it is really not helping anyone at all.  Many thanks for your help in this -- I would really appreciate it if you could connect us with someone who could help here!!!  Regards, Jsaaty 22:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, first of all as you have been warned above please don't revert any edits today or cut and paste material. Gscshoyru is a longstanding editor and TWINKLE is a tool to advise editors of possible edit problems on articles.

Using your own reasearch is not allowed in Wikipedia, unlike paper encyclopedias WPers don't "guess" or "presume" on wikipedia. Likewise we don't copy information just because it's online. Editors quote and paraphrase but editors never copy wholesale.

Again, please don't repost the old material again. It may be seen as disruptive. If you need help repost the material in a sandbox and ask other editors help you merge it into the current article. Mik e 33 - t @ lk  22:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * John, when Mike said "repost the material in a sandbox", he should have been more explicit. The place you posted, Sandbox, is a "scratch space" for new users to experiment with; it periodically gets totally deleted. An appropriate sandboxes might be User:Jsaaty/sandbox or Talk:Analytic Hierarchy Process/sandbox. The latter is more "public" and will encourage other editors to work in the sandbox; the first one is by default considered to be a "personal" sandbox. Either way, you should then put an invitation to other editors and reference link to the sandbox on Talk:Analytic Hierarchy Process. Studerby 23:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

New Sandbox
You have coppied the whole of the article into sandbox, that might not be seen as good faith. You should only add to the sandbox your new additions. I post the sand box here so that you can edit and amend it easily. All articles need source and if the photographs you have copied are from school or gruduate program they can never be yours or your fathers. In Wikipedia Original Researce is any paper that has not been published. You can never quote more than a few lines from published documents either. I have taken sentences and sentences and can't find a version anywhere. I am going to conclude that it is probably an unpublished university paper or your own research. I can find you [Wikia] sites which may host your text but like here if they are copyright NEVER. Mik e 33 - t @ lk  23:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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