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Article California
My reversion of your edit to the article California was unintentional. I was working on reverting the multiple edits that removed the Califonia Seal and your edit posted during the time I was working on the reversion, which then took your entry as well. I noticed that when I checked the history after completing my edit. I would have returned your edit but I do question it a bit so will include my comments here and then let you decide how to proceed. The other schools listed are using abbreviations such as UCLA which is part of the same system as Berkley. The standard Berkeley abbreviations are (per the linked article) UC Berkeley, Berkeley and Cal among others. Your entry of "California (UC Berkeley)" seems a bit of over kill by comparison. I am going to re-edit the entry replacing Cal-Berkeley with UC Berkeley which seems to be your general intent. Dbiel (Talk) 01:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I suppose that's fine. I changed the article from "Cal-Berkeley" to "California (UC Berkeley)" for a few reasons.  One, the athletic programs at Cal are never referred to as "UC Berkeley."  Cal has a weird split-personality: academically, the school goes by "UC Berkeley", but the athletic program goes by "California", "Cal", or "University of California".  If you check the school's athletic website, you'll notice that almost nowhere on that page do you see the name "Berkeley".


 * Second, most students and alums of the school (disclaimer: I'm a Cal alum) do NOT call the school Cal-Berkeley.  That's the main reason I edited that part of the article.  I replaced it with "California (UC Berkeley)" because, as I said above, our athletic programs go by "Cal".  I added the "(UC Berkeley)" because often times people don't realize that "Cal" and "UC Berkeley" are the same institution.


 * Nonetheless, I suppose that just "UC Berkeley" fits within the context of that sentence ("The athletic programs of USC, UC Berkeley, etc..."). Thanks for giving me a heads up about this.  I'm going to post this on your talk page as well in case you don't check mine in the future.  Jsol5 08:55, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You are right about Berkeley being a strange duck about what it calls itself. If you want to change it back to "Cal (UC Berkeley)", it would probably make sense. But I would suggest adding a comment in the code or using a reference link including your above comments as to why it is listed as it is. Personally I think Cal would be better than California. Or leave it as it is.  I am fine either way. But I would definately recommend including a comment in the code itself such as  Note: you need to edit this section to see the comment I am refering to. Additional question I have no idea about. Example Cal State LA vs UCLA do not belong to the same University system. The UC system and the Cal State System. Refering to Cal Berkeley, does this clearly identify UC Berkeley or does it imply an association with the Cal State University Program instead? Thanks for your post on my talk page.  Dbiel (Talk) 18:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input! I wasn't aware you could put comments in the code like that.  Learn something new everyday...  As for "Cal Berkeley", I think that for the most part it doesn't imply any association with the Cal State system.  At least, here in California.  I recall a football game our team played against BYU back in 1999.  One of their fans had a sign that read, "Beat Cal St. Berkeley!"  From my experience (and that of many Cal students/alums that I've interacted with), people in the state of California tend to know that Cal-California-UC Berkeley etc. are the same institution.  Once you get out of state, however, people become very confused about the name issue.  Jsol5 07:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)