User talk:Jtree09

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Speedy deletion nomination of IRI, The CoSort Company
A tag has been placed on IRI, The CoSort Company, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information.

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Talkback
Wuh Wuz  Dat  19:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Scuse the interruption
I passed through someone else's talk page and noticed this from you "1) the first commercial sort software provider off the mainframe; 2) with a host of firsts in that space alone (like full SQL join and aggregate functions outside the database for flat files, parallel sorting); 3) the only ISV with field-level encryption for flat files; 4) the only one sorting and converting huge LDIF and XML files; 5) the only one parsing data models to create test data; 6) the only one generating CJK test data. These would be notable things within the products listed, which is more than the other ISVs with listed products are saying. But to say these notable technical things might seem like so much product advertising, so it's like a catch 22." Being a nosy cow, I came over for a look at the article.

Seeing as you are asking for advice, I hope you don't mind, but here's some, just about your first paragraph:-
 * According to its website, IRI software products are used by - yes, and according to the Acme Phishing Company's website, they have the best anti-phishing solution money can buy.  You can in some circs use a company (or artist or musican's) website as a source, but only for facts such as lists of products, albums or whatever.  You cannot use them for claims of notability
 * "according to its website...." also falls foul of Wikipedia's rule about fudging claims that you cannot source. "Babe Ruth is listed in the 100 greatest baseball players" is a fact that you can source from whoever compiles the list.  "Babe Ruth is considered by some to be one of the greatest..." is weasel words

If you could change that to something like this, you have got more chance of success -

"Innovative Routines International (IRI), Inc. is an American software company, notable for being the first commercial sort software provider off the mainframe with full full SQL join and aggregate functions outside the database for flat files, parallel sorting . It is currently the only ISV with field level encryption for flat files, capable of sorting and converting 100Gb XML files and generating CJK test data  IRI software is used by Pan-Galactic Airlines, the HongKong and Shanghai Bank

Hope this is of some help. Elen of the Roads (talk) 19:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

That sounds like terrific advice, and it is MUCH appreciated, especially because it's exactly what we'd been asking for. It's unfortunate that the same rules evidently did not apply to the competitor article mentioned in the chat, but we will endeavor to remedy IRI's accordingly. I hope you'll take another look at a sandbox link in the near future and let me know what you think. Thanks again! Jtree09 (talk) 19:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you notice, the Syncsort article cites its website for facts - over 90 of the Fortune 100 companies - not potential weasels like "the world's largest airlines, banks etc". It would be better if that sentence could be more factual.  Other than that, I note you have added many references, so have a significant chance of keeping this version.  If you have a word with the admin that deleted (Hersfold) to check that they haven't put any block on recreating, you can move it back into mainspace.

As an aside, I note that DrugLogic has been tagged with a no-notability tag.Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello again. Could you please let me know what you think now of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jtree09 ? I tried to follow your advice with different wording and available references. Jtree09 (talk) 19:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Another look
I'm sorry, but this is still advertising. The article needs to focus on why the company itself is notable, not serve as a listing of all their products and their features. I don't see that there's much of a difference between the version you have now and the version that was deleted.

If you don't mind my asking, do you by chance work for this company? Hers fold  (t/a/c) 20:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again for the feedback. As stated in prior chats on this subject, I've worked there for 20+ years and have posted a request for another author to take over (to no avail). The interest is simply to have an accurate, neutral, and compliant piece posted, similar to other equally notable companies in this space. For example, the Syncsort article which has lasted for some time, despite what appears to be meeting your objections that my article attempts to overcome. I would be most grateful for specific advice on how to modify the IRI piece to meet your qualifications. Please advise Jtree09 (talk) 18:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hersfold, this user came to the IRC help channel today, and I spent a considerable time helping them to improve the proposed article. Following various edits and discussions, and working specifically on COI concerns, I am now happy that it is 'acceptable', and I am therefore taking the responsibility for making it live. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  16:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. Now live, Innovative Routines International  Chzz  ►  16:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Simple references
These require two parts;


 * a)

Chzz is 98 years old.

He likes tea.


 * b) A section called "References" with the special code " ";

Named references
Chzz was born in 1837, in Footown.

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

Citation templates
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Chzz has 37 Olympic medals.

Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result.

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Disambiguations
Hi there,

I noted some more things on IRC, but you might've left...


 * [17:53]  Florida08 Some of the links are links to 'disambiguation pages', JCL, SAS, DEC, VMS, ETL, AES, CSV. They don't link to the correct specific article. Can you fix them, like e.g. this?
 * [17:53]  JCL
 * [17:55]  ooh, microfocus, Florida08; I used to work for them, once upon a time
 * [17:55]  Good old COBOL/2
 * [17:57]  Florida08 re. disambiguation - also, "open systems" and "join" - click 'em, you'll see what I mean

 Chzz  ►  17:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Also, I added a link to IRI.  Chzz  ►  17:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)