User talk:Judadem

Blocked
For a persistent pattern of personal attacks (,, "intellectual shortcomings", "herd of paranoiacs" etc.), and because of you rather obviously being another CAMERA meatpuppet, I am blocking you for a week. I am also banning you from all Israel/Palestine-related articles for two months. If you are really here to build an encyclopedia, you can edit in some other areas in the meantime. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

since your accusation of 'meatpuppet' is based on a coincidence and not upon evidence it may be your are acting upon your prejudice, which is seminal to my argument that neutral dispositions are impossible. i do believe that most of my post have to do with the issue on inherent bias and not camera. i do think i voiced an opinion that any user violating game rules should suffer consequences and that included any and all members of agenda driven entities. that doesn't sound like a 'meatpuppet' but the fact that it was ignored begs the validity of the accusation. Davidg (talk)

Various talk page comments
Hi Judadem. I was going to speak up against the sanctions being imposed on you. however, your call (at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/CAMERA_lobbying/Evidence) for sanctioning the Palestinian group makes it sound like you favor this type of sanctions. Oh well. so i guess it's a no go. As you'll note, you yourself just said, "you do not solve a 'problem' by ignoring it." so you're providing arguments against yourself. I'm just trying to make the issues here clearer. i would strongly suggest you keep your comments on different issues separately. As you probably know, I'm an active pro-Israel editor. Actually maybe you don't know, since I haven't dealt with you before on articles which i've edited. anyway, hope that's helpful. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC) =Cracking the Lid to the Pandora's Box=

cracking the lid to pandora's box:
admin fut per banned/blocked me for meatpuppetry despite lack of evidence

admin fut per did not ban User:DieWeisseRose even knowing that dieweisserose was actively engaged in promoting wikiforpalestine. he merely requested that she "come clean". 

the wikians engaged in the israepedia/camera of agenda driven issue orientated diatribes have been selective in the enforcementof the principles they espouse. if it is the principle that is important to uphold then one should have expected condemnation of this agenda driven group,wikiforpalestine, along with israpedia/camera. the near total silence on this issue is damning of the process.


 * Hi, you may want to look through this it contains information on User:DieWeisseRose. Oboler (talk) 16:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * hi, been there. thanks. pushing for an explanation as to why DieWeisseRose's active promotion of wikiforpalestine is ignored when it is obvious that this person was promoting an agenda driven entity long before the present imbroglio. Davidg (talk) 03:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

cracking the lid a bit more
this judgmental statement was made:

"Judadem (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) - we cannot link this account with any of the known active contributors on the mailing list; however, the timing of its creation (9 April) and of its first contributions (13 April on Talk:2006 Lebanon War and 14 April on Talk:Deir Yassin massacre, both exactly coinciding with the CAMERA-generated activity on those pages), together with Judadem's vociferous and aggressive involvement in defending Isra-pedia after its discovery), in our view, makes it more than likely that this is another meat- or sockpuppet. Blocked for a week and banned for two months from all Israel/Palestine-related articles per general disruptive editing."

while ignoring

this judadem statement which proceeded judadem's being banned/blocked:

"i state here that the members of any agenda driven group exposed should suffer the consequences even when other agenda driven groups escape exposure. that goes even if the pro Palestinian/anti israeli group is never found. Davidg (talk) 00:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)"

one can't but notice the lack of action when it came to the wikiforpalestine collaborator,  User:DieWeibeRose, even though wiki had evidence of dieweisserose's prohibited activity; yet judadem, who not only condemned all agenda driven entities, including israpedia/camera on several occasions, was banned by being coincidentally linked by time alone.

how can this statement by the admins be made in good faith:

"Judadem's vociferous and aggressive involvement in defending Isra-pedia after its discovery), in our view, makes it more than likely that this is another meat- or sockpuppet" while ignoring this:?

"i state here that the members of any agenda driven group exposed should suffer the consequences even when other agenda driven groups escape exposure. that goes even if the pro palestinian/anti israeli group is never found. Davidg (talk) 00:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)" Davidg (talk) 16:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)