User talk:Juden

Abortion allegations of Smith's polygamous children at Talk:Joseph_Smith, Jr.
Please see the new section at Talk:Joseph_Smith, Jr.. Écrasez l&#39;infâme (talk) 19:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * FYI: Informal Mediation Requested: Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-07-07 Children of Joseph Smith, Jr.. Écrasez l&#39;infâme (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

NPOV edits at the Book of Mormon Requested
Your NPOV inputs to the article the Book of Mormon would be greatly appreciated. I added highly relevant verifiable facts from reliable sources summarizing the origin of the Book of Mormon in the section Origin of the Book of Mormon, namely Smith's method of translation and the role of the Harris's, yet two editors are deleting this information without justification. It appears that this is being done in violation of WP:PRESERVE, and possibly in violation of WP:OWN based upon the discussion at the talk page, in which one editor appears to demand that all edits be cleared by him first. Please take a look if you have a chance—it looks like a group effort to keep some facts off of the page. Écrasez l&#39;infâme (talk) 19:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, sadly, there's rather a herd mentality about Mormon articles. I will see if I can be of help - but of course this has gone on for years, so there is likely not much that can be accomplished. - Juden (talk) 21:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Zina Young (plural wife of Joseph Smith)
Thanks for your edit to Zina Young. I couldn't care less whether it says allegedly - only that it is explicit that this is Zina Young's claim, which you have now made clear & obvious. Best, A Sniper (talk) 03:47, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, thanks for the thanks, but I see you are still sticking "allegedly" in wherever the fact that Smith had plural marriages is mentioned. Please don't do that. If you insist on mentioning that some religious sects don't accept this fact every time it's mentioned, please take the time to phrase it in an appropriate way. "Alleged" is a POV word, meant to suggest doubt, and it's not appropriate. - Juden (talk) 22:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Allegedly
I'll continue to write allegedly whenever hearsay is quoted, or if a statement isn't attributed to anyone, or if a quote is unclear as to the source. For example, your edit to the Emma Smith picture (as a reaction to mine) indeed added clarity. Best, A Sniper (talk) 22:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine, I'll just make the necessary changes then, whenever you use "alleged" to suggest doubt without attributing that doubt to a cited source. - Juden (talk) 22:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And I'll continue to write allegedly whenever editors add non-sourced or unsubstantiated statements . A Sniper (talk) 22:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good, I need a hobby. - Juden (talk) 22:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, John Foxe said we're all riding our hobby. Have a good weekend. A Sniper (talk) 22:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose there are worse things to ride. A good weekend to you, too. _- Juden (talk) 23:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

RE: Alger at Wives
Now THAT was a decent edit, Juden - I would agree that, with our back & forth, it is now a well-balanced little piece. I mean until another editor comes along and blanks the whole paragraph. Best, A Sniper (talk) 21:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

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