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May 2014
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Proposed deletion of The Crimson House (2013 Film)


The article The Crimson House (2013 Film) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable film, doesn't meet WP:NF

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Bovineboy2008 Could you advise as to more specific measures I can take to avoid having my article deleted? Thank you. JuggaletteJen216 (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

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Nomination of The Crimson House (2013 Film) for deletion
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Conflict of interest
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NFILM
Hi! I thought I'd explain WP:NFF and WP:NFILM in a little more depth than was on the AfD page. Ultimately what everything comes down to is coverage in reliable sources (WP:RS). However what can initially be confusing is what is considered to be a RS per Wikipedia's expectations/rules. A reliable source is ultimately coverage in a secondary source that is independent of the subject itself or anyone representing the subject. For example, if Dread Central wrote an article about your film, that could be considered a reliable source because it was a news story about the film in a place that is known to be reliable. However if they re-printed a press release issued by the film's publicity staff, then that would be considered a WP:PRIMARY source, meaning that they're reprinting something that you wrote yourself. (I'm just using "you" as a stand-in for whomever did the press release or is involved with the film in general.)

The thing about primary sources is that we cannot use them to show notability regardless of where they are re-printed or displayed. A movie can have press releases re-printed in various different locations, but none of them will ever really be able to be used to assert notability. Even if the press release or film website stated that the movie won an award or made a significant achievement, we'd still have to have something in a secondary RS to confirm that not only did the film win the award, but that the award (or achievement) is notable enough to count towards notability. In the past we've had people assert that they were the first to do something or that they won an award, only for the award/achievement to be something that didn't happen or was something that wouldn't really show notability in the first place. I'm not saying that you've done this or will do this, just explaining that this is why we no longer use primary sources to assert notability. Primary sources mean a lot of things, but generally they're considered to be anything issued by the people involved with the film, whether it's a commercial, a poster, or a press release. On a side note, IMDb is not considered to be a reliable source since it can be edited by anyone and is considered to be a database at best. Database entries will never really count towards notability because it's just generally expected that at some point a film will be registered in a film database somewhere, just as we expect that at some point the film company will release a trailer or poster. It's also expected that there will be listings of future showings, so sources that are just routine notifications of events like this one will not count towards notability. Sometimes you'll get some that are actual articles or reviews of the film, but in most cases they're usually a reprinting of a press release or pre-written statement about the movie.

When it comes to reliable sources, that's usually meant to represent coverage in a newspaper or a website we consider to be trusted and reliable. Blog sources are almost never usable as reliable sources to show notability as they're almost always self-published and have little to no editorial oversight that we can look at and verify. (WP:SPS) We have no way of being able to verify the source. To put it bluntly, we have no way of knowing if the blog's assertions are true or that it was written by someone who isn't part of the film's crew. Again, not saying that you'd do this but we've had people in the past try to use a blog as a source, only to discover that the film's crew dictated what the article or review could or couldn't say. (IE, telling them to use specific buzzwords or that they had to change a negative review to where it sounded positive. Sometimes the bloggers are given some sort of reward or compensation for their work in exchange for a positive review of some sort.) It happens more frequently than you'd think and because of past abuses, this is why SPS just isn't considered to be a usable source unless it can be verified.

Now something I do need to warn you about is that asserting notability for unreleased films is extremely difficult in many cases, especially if the film is small and/or indie. I know that the release date is only a day away, but even so- we still have to have a LOT of coverage to show that the movie meets notability guidelines. Even after the film is released, we'll still need quite a bit of coverage. One news story (since you said that one is forthcoming) is helpful in counting towards notability but we would need quite a bit more. I would say that for a non-released film we'd have to have a good 7-8 sources about the film's production over a period of time of maybe a few months or a year. We've had instances where there have been a lot of sources about something, but they all say the same thing and don't really show a depth of coverage.

Finally, I do need to explain conflict of interest guidelines. All this generally means is that if you are involved with the film or were asked to create the article by someone involved with the film, you just need to disclose it- especially if you were given any sort of reward in exchange for the work. It's not forbidden to edit with a COI, but it is discouraged because it's just so easy to write things in a more promotional manner than you may have intended, see more notability than there is, and/or take an article's deletion or edits personally. There's also the risk of feeling a sense of ownership (WP:OWN) over an article, which can sometimes lead to trouble. You haven't done anything that would be seen as promotional or extremely improper, but I did want to put a brief explanation of COI in this already lengthy essay I've written to you. Hope all of this helps explain things! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:49, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Take a gander at WP:PRIMER. Best,  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 15:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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