User talk:Juggernaut88

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Unfortunately, Wikipedia is built on verifiability, so unfortunately speculation shouldn't be added to articles. Please don't let a common new-user mistake put you off editing, and ignore that vandalism warning. -- Steel 00:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thatnks but I think it's a bit weird to nearly ban someione on that bit of info especially since MGS is a series that has more holes than swiss cheese...yes that was a cheesy line but I had no intent on vandalizing. I actually like MGS. -- Juggernaut88 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologize for such a strong warning. That comment needs proof before it should be added. I was also in the proccess of reverting edits from someone doing the same thing (but repeatedly) and I had jumped to conclusions. Demos Demon  (Talk - contrib) 00:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you, juggernaut. Some of the plot twists and story in MGS can be interpreted a million different ways. Anyway, don't let this incident put you off editing. -- Steel 00:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's my first attempt at an explanation regarding this info. Of course not everything in relations to MGS can be 100% fact and some of it is based on speculation. I'm sure if you're an MGS fan you have heard this before regarding Meryl's torture but even as horrible as it sounds, it goes without saying that certain dialogue and events lead people to the conclusion of Meryl's rape.


 * When you save her in MGS, she mentions going through pain and shame all while not giving in to her torture and "things worse than that". Now I do recall an article here about women being raped and tortured during wars (even events where that were denied abortions and had to suffer embarassment of having the unwanted child and I think that means of abuse may apply to Meryl's case given this is a stealth and war themed game. Not many fans can think of many things that are shameful and worse than torture other than rape.


 * Also the character of Volgin strengthened this theory since we can safely say Volgin has sexually abused EVA. To be fair, it is argued that it was EVA's mission to get close to Volgin, but that aside she obviously expresses pain and suffering from her whip marks and when Volgin shocks her. It is heavily implied that the character of Volgin inspired Ocelot's twisted sadist side since MGS3 is in ways, a prequel to the series and shows Ocelot express interest in torture after Volgin does it to Snake and Sokolov.


 * With that this argument has had many people come to that conclusion and it even has gained Meryl's character more repect in the MGS community considering her rookie nature, she was able to withstand horrible acts to her (being shot at by Wolf as well) and overcame that for Solid Snake. That was my reasonong behind it as well as the fact that I saw this theory posted before but it was removed prior to her article being shortened and part of a list.


 * Still I wish to place it back like it was originally not only for the reasons above not to mention that it also leaves room for interpretation in the MGS community to her role in MGS4 and for the possibility of why Snake and Meryl broke up. MGS4 can go into further detail why since not much is explained as to why they fell in love and fell apart.
 * -- juggernaut88 Talk 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This is textbook original research. I think the best option may be to just say that she's tortured and "things worse than that" and leave it there. -- Steel 11:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)