User talk:Juhachi/Archive 11



=January=

Rewrite (visual novel)
That is ridiculous, the plot is SEPARATE from the opening paragraph for a reason. And there is literally no need to give out that information in the first paragraph. If I were you, I'd take a look at the summary that myanimelist/ANN wrote up. Those are sufficient summaries that you should try to replicate. Here's MAL's: "Kazamatsuri, a modern, well-developed city renowned for its burgeoning greenery and rich Japanese culture, is home to Kotarou Tennouji, a high schooler least privy to the place's shared values. Content to fill his pockets with frivolity, the proud and nosey boy whiles away his time pestering the self-proclaimed delinquent Haruhiko, and indulging in his amorous feelings toward the oddball Kotori.

Equipped with the superhuman ability to permanently rewrite any part of his body to multiply his strength or speed, Kotarou is naturally drawn to the supernatural. One special meeting with the lone member and president of the Occult Research Club, the "Witch" Akane Senri, leads to Kotarou reviving the Occult Club by recruiting Kotori and three other members: the clumsy transfer student Chihaya, the strict class representative Lucia, and the unassuming Shizuru. As Kotarou unveils hidden secrets of each member of the Occult Club through their shared adventures, he will inevitably encounter a fate that only he might be able to rewrite."

There is zero need to reveal such things in the opening bit. They can simply head down to the plot to get the full details. I replaced your sentence, again, with something more efficient, "The story follows the life of Kotarou Tennouji, a high school student with superhuman abilities who investigates supernatural mysteries with five girls from his school in a fictional city called Kazamatsuri. Throughout the story, Kotarou learns hidden truths about the five girls and Kazamatsuri, which throw him into an unexpected fate that will change his life forever." I'm certainly not going to back down on this because that you originally provided is not needed at all. So it's either you live with what I just wrote, remove the entire short summary entirely and keep it solely for general information like the Steins;Gate wikipedia page, or you call a mod on me, and I will tell them the same thing that I'm telling you.

There is no "encyclopedic purpose" for you stating such a blatant and unnecessary spoiler. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MegaBulborb (talk • contribs) 05:03, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * While I am not opposed to some kind of compromise, what you wrote here is very vague, and reads more like what you'd see on the back of a book rather than an encyclopedic treatment of the subject. Personally, I do not see how the original short summary is a spoiler at all, and indeed, calling anything a spoiler is a very subjective thing, which WP:SPOILER makes very clear: Labeling a plot detail as a spoiler would require editors to use their own subjective opinions to interpret the significance of a plot detail and its likelihood of altering the enjoyment of the work of fiction. This would be a violation of Wikipedia's core policies of no original research, verifiability, and neutral point of view..


 * The point of the lead is to tell the reader what the article is about, and the overly vague treatment you've given the summary is not helpful to anyone. The fact is that what you removed and deemed a "spoiler" is what the core story is about, and is what most of the story revolves around. To not even say that in the lead is like not even mentioning the Galactic Empire in the lead of Star Wars, or indeed, much of the summary of that film in the lead, which anyone could easily call a spoiler in one form or another. The point is, the same applies to Rewrite, as much of the plot revolves around the war between Gaia and Guardian, and pretending like it doesn't is not taking an encyclopedic approach to how the lead is written, especially when this is a Good Article, which has certain standards it must maintain.--  十  八  05:18, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I understand, but the war between the summoners and superhumans is not supposed to be basic knowledge, that is something you learn after you fall into a route, that is like a solid 15 years of the common route that you have to get through before getting there. It's a secret to surprise people later on and is meant to be mysterious for a while. Part of the fun is figuring out that conflict by yourself. It's like saying in the Clannad page opening that, "oh ya, btw, Nagisa and Tomoya get married and had a kid in After Story". You just don't say that right off the bat in the opening! Your summary for Clannad was perfect, "The story follows the life of Tomoya Okazaki. In the first story arc, called School Life, he is a high school delinquent who meets many people in his last year at school, including five girls, and helps resolve their individual problems. The second story arc, called After Story, follows his life as an adult after graduating from school." It doesn't give away any unnecessary spoilers and tells you just enough to get them interested; a very small taste, if you will, of what is to come. Please, refrain from referring to the war, it's not necessary and is meant to be something that is not basic knowledge. Honestly, people only need to know that he's a superhuman, joins a club with 5 girls, and investigates supernatural mysteries together. Either that, or remove the short summary entirely. I hate to be a burden, but I don't want anyone getting majorly spoiled with just casually looking at the Wikipedia page. I know what the rules say, but that information is not essential for a quick, two sentence summary. That isn't basic knowledge, it's something that you learn much later on. The Plot section is there for the full length summary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎MegaBulborb (talk • contribs) 22:32, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Just because you fall into the war after the common route doesn't mean it's not an integral part of the story, and that's what the vast majority of the story is about. People come to Wikipedia articles so that they can understand what something is about, and taking an overly generalized and vague treatment to the summary in the lead doesn't help anyone, and indeed, would only serve to confuse them, pretty much forcing them to read more in the plot section whether they wanted to do that originally or not. Besides "the war between the summoners and superhumans is not supposed to be basic knowledge" is just your subjective point of view and goes against Wikipedia's core policies no original research, verifiability, and neutral point of view. It doesn't matter whether it's supposed to be basic knowledge or not as far as Wikipedia is concerned; the fact is that that is what Rewrite revolves around. And besides, enough people have been spoiled on Wikipedia these days to know that Wikipedia contains spoilers, so reading any article on a fictional subject that you've never been exposed to before will "spoil" you in one form or another, or would you suggest they remove the fact that Darth Vader is Luke's father from that article, which by the way, is in both the lead and infobox, but which is something that isn't "basic knowledge" until The Empire Strikes Back.--  十  八  22:42, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

IRC
Hey Juhachi, can I talk to you on IRC? I need to discuss some matters with you regarding a soon-to-be-retired anison singer. I checked the HS channel but I didn't see any of your handles there (or at least the ones I'm familiar with). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:05, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Join #doki-imas and message Hinata. I would prefer to keep HS separate to not complicate things.--  十  八  09:22, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

=February=

Nomination of Naoko Hayashiba for deletion
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List of Kanokon characters
I merged out the character list as it was largely incomplete, looking at it the person or people who wrote it seemed to have stopped reading the manga half-way through. I am confident it can be a decent article as the characters have received reviews. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:28, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

=March=

Re:Casting Crowns studio albums
I could probably work the Acoustic Sessions up fairly quickly. I'm not sure the Cracker Barrel album is really that notable, though, at least in the context of studio albums - it's a mix of new songs and songs the band previously did. Frankly I'm not even sure if it can be improved.  Toa   Nidhiki05  22:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

About that image
Yeah, didn't think of that until it was too late. The image caption should probably have their full names though, since that's what anime articles usually do. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of List of One: Kagayaku Kisetsu e characters for deletion
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Nomination of List of Air characters for deletion
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Unhappy Go Lucky!→Anne Happy
It seems that Anne Happy is now the most common title by which this series is referred to: see this for example. Also, Yen Press (the manga's English publisher) has changed the title from Unhappy Go Lucky! to Anne Happy on their website. As long as you don't object, I'd like to WP:G6 the redirect so that the article can be moved. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 14:52, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, it's pretty clear cut if the English publisher of the manga uses that title.--  十  八  21:53, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Cardcaptors
hi, i just wanted to say that I only added the info about Ep 52 and 58 because it's true. I was just watching this show and noticed wile watching episode 52 that Sakura was talking about changing the sheild card into a star card and I still haddent seen that eppisode, so i looked up the episodes and notised the mistake so I wanted everyone to know the mistake. all you have to do is watch these two episodes and you will see what I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InuYasha13608 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I've watched the series, and I know that a few of the cards are never shown to be captured/altered because they only had a certain number of episodes to work with. The fact is, there is no direct evidence that these episodes were switched, and any attempt to say they are on Wikipedia will just be removed on the basis of original research because it cannot be independently verified.--  十  八  00:48, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

=April=

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Hi again...
So I came to you in the past for help Romanizing a Japanese name. As it so happens, when I was constructing a chapter list for Attack on Titan: Before the Fall, I came across two chapter titles (#21., 詭謀の栖, and #28., 堅緻の空隙) that Google translate wouldn't do. Can I impose on you to Romanize them for me? Thanks, G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 17:22, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

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Double check stuff before you delete it
You deleted my Ragnastrike Angels summaries citing 'they are from another source' despite that I wrote them. If they have them then they copied it from me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erol X (talk • contribs) 19:11, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. I googled the second one and I saw that it was one a few separate sources, but I guess they were just copying your summaries. I restored them.--  十  八  20:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

=May=

Your GA nomination of Stop!! Hibari-kun!
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Nomination of Yura Hinata for deletion
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Nomination of List of Rewrite characters for deletion
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Nomination of List of Clannad characters for deletion
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DYK for Stop!! Hibari-kun!
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Just a heads-up
So anyway I was in Japan last weekend for Mami's final concert. I felt so happy I finally got to see her, but quite upset that she's still retiring. The concert itself was amazing: I not only got to see Mami, but Maon, fripSide, and KOTOKO as well. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

=June=

Discussion at Talk:Chibiusa
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About my changes.
Hello! I am a starter in Wikipedia.So many of my edits may be mistaken somehow.But why my each edit of animes are being removed? Please give some time to make me understand my mistake.Thank You. Rezvee Khan (talk) 07:57, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The main reason why I reverted you here was because you broke the episode table, but also because much of what you wrote was ungrammatical, as it is appears that English is not your first language. As for your other edits, like the one I reverted here, the word used in that scene was "koibito"　(恋人), which although literally does mean "lover", "koibito" is used in colloquial Japanese to refer to someone you are going out with, i.e. a boyfriend, or in this case, a girlfriend. "Lover" in an uncommon word in colloquial English, so "girlfriend" is a much better alternative.--  十  八  08:15, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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Shinya Kawatsura
If he has an article, it will be Shinya Kawatsura (see Shinya). Shin'ya can be placed in the Template:Nihongo in that article as a romanization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marlin Setia1 (talk • contribs) 21:36, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Attack on Titan DYK
Sorry about including your name in the DYK nomination page. XTools' page information tool was broken at the time (and still is) so I had to guess the article's top contributors. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:53, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

=July=

Second Opinion on GT closure
I need a second opinion on whether it was a good idea to close this nomination. The nominator is contesting this but I thought it was up long enough to be closed. GamerPro64 16:56, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Description of characters in 'Another'
I described the characters, and placed them in the class so that viewers of the anime would know who the characters are without having to wait for them to be named. C2equalA2plusB2 (talk) 20:41, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not meant to be a replacement for watching the show. That's why we don't include every little detail into the episode summaries, and we certainly don't include such trivial minute details on the characters. Who the characters are in terms of their personality and significance to the plot is what character summaries should focus on.--  十  八  20:45, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As a substitute for an illustration of the characters, with a caption below naming them. An example of such an illustration can be seen on the 'Sola (manga)' page. C2equalA2plusB2 (talk) 02:25, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

New Game bias
Er, exactly how would that be anime bias? I mean the scene literually paints it for you. There's no dialog indicating it, but the visuals, reaction and expressions say it all. And that's not even counting the ridiculous use of a big heart sparkling into many hearts in the scene to illustrate the feelings that the mc has at the moment. I'm not really annoyed by your revert or anything, but I'm not sure how that exactly counts as anime bias. You don't always need dialog to imply something-there's many different forms of expressing things without any words being exchanged from someone. For an example, you could have a character be accused of liking someone, and while they deny, their actions or reaction shows they actually do like the person. Isn't that kinda how the scene in New Game is, indicating something without actually having said character even know/or admitting it, and instead you have visuals, reaction and character expression painting it instead? I've seen shows do stuff like that before after all, which is why I brought it up. 98.17.98.86 (talk) 21:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If nothing else, that seems to be speculation and/or subtext, not really something noteworthy for a character bio. Interpersonal character relationships are often very popular to include in character bios, but often are either just speculation from the fans themselves, or ultimately have no bearing on the plot itself (New Game is anything but a romance/yuri series, even if there may be subtext to satisfy certain fans of that stuff). As for the anime bias thing, that was mainly as a reaction to "as seen in the first episode," which is often something used to point out things that may appear in an adaptation while excluding the original media, which is never a good thing. But even without that, the rest of the sentence, "she developed a crush on Ko at first sight." is just pure speculation, and as I said before, has no place in a character bio.--  十  八  22:16, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that be an exception when it comes to VNS? I mean a lot don't get translated, so most can only really say the anime events for the time being (besides the obvious, like say Ao no Kanata blatantly nuking the romantic plot lines for the anime version, and Masaya outright reduced to a side-character while Asuka made the mc in his place). Made more usual by the fact that the anime adaptions usually get translated. 98.17.98.86 (talk) 22:52, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The fact that an anime adaptation will often be the more widely-viewed version of a given media doesn't make focusing on an adaptation over the original media correct, but even in the case of New Game, I know there's a fan group scanlating it (up to ch. 34 at the moment), so there's really no excuse here. But like I said, the issue here is not so much an inherent anime bias (even if that's part of it). The real issue is an insertion of speculation and/or pointless interpersonal relationships that have no bearing on the series' plot.--  十  八  23:20, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, but if one is translated and another isn't, you don't just hold off until the original material is translated either. There's many VN adaptations that are translated, but their VN counter-part remains untranslated even to this day. If someone understands raw Japanese, by all means I welcome inserting the original telling of things (while not excluding what the adaptation did different/changed) if they can. I'm very dedicated to preserving the integrity of a story, characters, and changes etc if I can (I hate excluding of original material to extreme degree, as much as I despise many dub changes from it's original version). And my previous post was no longer about New Game (I yield to what you said about it), but VNS. 98.17.98.86 (talk) 23:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * VN anime adaptations can be very problematic, especially when it comes to interpersonal character relationships. I've often seen editors including things like "Character X falls in love with character y" in VN articles when it is usually dependent on a character's route who falls in love with who (and in the end, all of the heroines fall in love with the protag, so it's a moot point). If you are just looking at an anime adaptation of a VN, then character personalities will likely not be changed from the original to the adaptation, so that is stuff that can be taken from the anime to represent the whole media. Character interactions (specifically one character falling in love with another), however, are often dependent on the media in which they exist, so I would generally keep those out, especially if they have no bearing on the plot.--  十  八  01:15, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

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Ask a question
At first i'd like to thank you for crating the Wandering Son to a good article.And I have a question that are there any more information about the Wandering Son's anime television's Production?--Suebear Gaua (talk) 13:22, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * None that I could find when I was working on the article years ago. There may be some interviews from the staff somewhere; I just don't know.--  十  八  20:40, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

=August=

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=September=

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Reference errors on 3 September
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Regarding manga and animes
Hi Sir,Sorry to interrupt you. Can you please tell me why the endings of some animes remains changed in context to mangas when the endings of both of them are finished? For example ,in case of the kami nomi manga,ending is a happy one but opposite in case of the anime..... Rezvee Khan (talk) 01:17, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
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=October=

Happy birthday!
'''Wishing Juhachi a very happy birthday on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Mz7 (talk) 04:54, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

=November=

Adaptation
The English language versions of manga are adaptations of the originals. Def #2. Sadly not all of the Japanese puns are going to be translated right so they are adjusted for an English speaking readership. Can you provide some input on how they wouldn't be an adaptations? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:01, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The way "adaptation" is used in animanga articles has always been to refer to one medium being used as the basis for another medium, but this is simply a translation, even if that translation is localized so that Japanese puns are substituted with English equivalents. The story doesn't change, just some of the lines that do not have direct translations from Japanese to English. When I hear stuff like "English language adaptation", I think of stuff like Edge of Tomorrow (based on All You Need Is Kill) because the story's details have completely changed to fit an English-speaking audience in addition to adapting the novel into a film. That is not the case with Netsuzou Trap.--  十  八  02:58, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

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=December=

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Summer Pockets
Hey Juhachi, Key just announced a new game called Summer Pockets; I've created an article for it at this link. Could you help me expand the article and add information to it? This interview with Key's staff has more information about the game. I'm thinking of nominating the article for DYK if it gets long enough. Thanks and happy editing. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:42, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of Brave Witches episodes
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of Brave Witches episodes. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)