User talk:Juhachi/Archive 8

parameter is meant only for TV stations, and the  parameter for companies releasing physical media in their territories; am I wrong? Is this issue discussed anywhere? Raamin (talk) 02:57, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've seen Crunchyroll being used in both fields, and it's really done on a per-article basis. I suppose it would be the equivalent of using Netflix as the network in Infobox television, but whether Crunchyroll or Netflix qualifies as a channel or network seems like a gray area. There are original programs that Netflix has aired, like House of Cards, so for instances like that it makes sense. But with Crunchyroll, while it's not the original broadcaster, it's often the first official "broadcast" outlet outside of Japan. So there's no real guideline for or against its use, though I personally do not subscribe to this practice, especially since it's contentious and prone to getting reverted on a regular basis, I've seen.--  十  八  05:25, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for a detailed answer. Raamin (talk) 20:43, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

From Bleach discussion
I will not discuss the matter on Wiki, but you and I have something in common in that respect. Erachima has been warned, and I'll ignore him/her from now on as they seem to seek gratification from causing distress. I should relax a little more. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 06:31, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

History merging of categories
Please take note that "pages in category namespace cannot be moved." (WP:MOVE) --Raamin (talk) 23:43, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Brand Companies of Kadokawa Corporation
Please read the press release of the merger carefully. On page 2 we have: "(ii) Method of the Merger: Upon the Merger, the Group will be a company surviving the absorption-type merger an the nine (9) consolidated subsidiaries will be dissolved (become companies absorbed in the absorption-type merger)." These companies (ASCII Media Works, Media Factory, etc.) are not Kabushiki-gaisha anymore and this revision for example is inaccurate and contains outdated data. Please update related articles as you wish, but make sure that your edits reflect the new development. Raamin (talk) 00:15, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You can find the information about these new companies and their new (and correct) name here. Raamin (talk) 00:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

October 2013
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Clannad (visual novel) etc. for FA?
Well it's been a while since I talked about this. About a year ago, I posted over at WT:ANIME that the Key-related articles—particularly those for Clannad, Angel Beats! and Little Busters!—were probably of a good enough quality for FA. Taking a second look at the articles, I feel that they are pretty good; in fact, they are some of the best written articles I've seen for an anime-related article. Right now, I'm thinking of nominating at least one of them (either Clannad or Angel Beats!) for FA, but right now, would that be a good idea? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:52, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I personally don't think either Clannad nor Little Busters! would have a chance at passing FA, mainly because of a need for a complete copyedit and probably some referencing issues. There is also a lack of reviews for the games, instead relying on reviews for the anime adaptations for both those series, something that a GA may be able to get around, but I'm not thinking it'd be so easy for FA. That's also why I think Rewrite probably wouldn't work for FA either, even though I feel it has one of the most comprehensive and best-written gameplay and development sections of all the Key games. Angel Beats! on the other hand doesn't have these issues, and once the first game comes out next year, I'll likely split the character list out (the games are bound to have new characters), so it'll make an FA review easier.--  十  八  04:24, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

FTC help
So I was looking at this nomination and I may need help a whole lot of updating. Are you able to help? GamerPro64 22:06, 31 October 2013 (UTC) I need a second opinion on this nomination. Do you think that there are grounds to close this nomination? GamerPro64 16:29, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Well according to Sturmvogel we're going to have to combine some topics together when making this new topic so we're going to have to do some cleaning up. GamerPro64  22:14, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe in case there is a problem that I might make when getting this all together. Since this may take at least an hour to sort out. GamerPro64  22:28, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Didn't notice the second oppose. Thanks. GamerPro64  21:39, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

=November=

New section on the Anime and Manga RfC
Hello there. Since the Anime and Manga RfC seems to have developed a consensus for the "It depends on notability and uniqueness of each adaptation", I have started a thread to see if we can offer metrics or further guidance for such case by case... erm... cases. I have no idea if such a thing is even possible to draft up, but since having it might help, I figured I'd try. The thread is HERE, and as a previous participant in the RfC I wanted to let you know about it using this overly long, rambling message. Cheers,  S ven M anguard   Wha?  15:59, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013
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Fascism at »Little Busters!« -- Refrain #5 and Refrain #6
Juhachi:

I am glad to see that you are in a good way after our previous engagement and that the rumors of your demise have turned out to be vastly exaggerated; still, humor aside, I do wish to object your response to my attempt to improve upon the episode synopses [|here]. I believe that the annotation was "clumsy? these summaries are now unreadable" ... that is the exact reason I revised those episode synopses. My main emphasis was upon Refrain #1 along with Refrain #5 and Refrain #6.

My objection with Refrain #6 is strongest because of its text which is as follows:
 * After Riki and the others after Rin leave the school without a word, Riki is then left with the impression that Kyousuke sent her away and that he is trying to break apart the Little Busters. Riki continues getting text messages from Rin saying that she does not know what to do at the school, and he all he can do is tell her to "hang in there". Concerned for Rin being isolated, Riki decides to go after her, but he is stopped by Kyousuke, who makes a deal that he will bring her back for weekends only. When Rin come back the following weekend, she is depressed and stays in bed. Riki goes to Kengo for advice, who tells him he has to fight Kyousuke to keep Rin from going back to the school. Kyousuke agrees to settle it over a baseball game with Masato as his partner, but Riki and Kengo ultimately fail. Kengo claims that Kyousuke rigged the game and punches him before being restrained by Riki and Masato. The next morning, Riki tells Rin that they are running away together. They travel to a house in the country where they played as kids, but they are eventually discovered by the police who raid the house.

The portions of the synopsis in italics are what I am objecting most fiercely. In contrast, this is what I added:
 * Upon seeing off Rin's wordless departure, Riki is certain that Kyousuke wishes the Little Busters disbanded for some obscure reason; upon receiving text messages that make it clear that Rin is in over her head at the school, Riki rushes off to mount a rescue attempt -- a volition that Kyousuke promptly interferes. It does not take much of the weekend visit for Riki to realize that it would not be weird for the despondent Rin to commit suicide if sent back to the school; galvanized by Kengo's counsel, Riki challenges Kyousuke who proposes a scaled-down baseball game after importing Masato's participation on his behalf.  Powered by his fierce rivalry with Masato along with his determination to dry-dock Kyousuke's plans, Kengo fights fiercely to where the baseball game is a stalemate until he ultimately realizes that it would not be weird for Miyuki Koshiki's suicide attempt to be part of the curriculum; still, even with the enraged Kengo landing a punch on Kyousuke and Riki's hasty decision to bug out with Rin the next morning, it definitely appears that Kyousuke's curriculum will bear fruit when a police raid uncovers the two adolescents.

See how concise it is? Ignoring the bit about Rin's wordless departure, the old text uses 23 words to describe what Riki thinks are Kyousuke's intentions; in contrast, my synopsis only uses 14 words for the same purpose. Riki rushing off to Rin's rescue -- 23 words in the old text versus only 15 in my version. Riki importing Kengo's counsel about how to stop Kyousuke -- 23 words in the old text are used to describe Kengo's counsel and why Riki is importing it; in contrast, my synopsis uses 21 words to cut right to the chase.

Refrain #5 Old text:
 * Members of the Prefectural Assembly are expected to make an inspection of the school and realizing that it is part of the "final task", Riki and Rin volunteer themselves to guide them around. Despite Rin's shy demeanor, she manages to guide the visitors properly and they later invite her to take part in a student exchange program to help the students of another school overcome a tragedy that claimed the lives of some of their classmates. Riki at first asks Rin to decline their invitation, but he later realizes that this could be an important experience for her to grow as a person. However, when Riki tries to encourage her to take part in the program, she gets angry at him and ultimately accepts the invitation. On the eve of Rin's departure, Riki realizes that all the tasks they received helped her to mature and improve her confidence. He concludes that it was all a part of Kyousuke's plans, including inviting Komari and the other girls to become part of their group. His suspicions are confirmed when Riki finds Lennon with Kyousuke and then he confronts him about the "truth of the world" he mentioned in his letters. However, before getting some answers, they are forced to run away after being caught outdoors during curfew and when Riki trips over, Kyousuke disappears in front of him.

My text:
 * Galvanized by the epiphany of how heavily an upcoming inspection by the Prefectural Assembly plays into the »final task«, Riki and Rin offer themselves as tour guides during homeroom; while the tour goes over well in spite of Rin's shy demeanor, it soon turns out that Rin did her job a bit too well when she is invited to take part in a student exchange program to help the students of another school overcome a tragedy that made fatalities of their classmates. Riki's ambivalence about whether Rin should accept the invitation comes to a head when his well-intended encouragement draws Rin's ire for overstepping his bounds; later that evening, Riki's reflection on the data of Rin's metamorphosis from helping Rin perform all the tasks they received along with the circumstantial timing ignites the advent of an epiphany that Kyousuke is not the true blue friend he appears to be. Seeing Lennon being friendly with Kyousuke ultimately confirms Riki's hypothesis; still, even if he knows that Kyousuke is prosecuting a curriculum, Riki soon finds that getting definitive answers is easier said than done when he trips and is left behind in Kyousuke's mad dash to evade some sentries.

Note how concise it is -- particularly with the part about Riki's ambivalence as to whether Rin should accept the invitation. 27 words in the old version versus only NINE in my version.

Juhachi ... I could sit here all day pointing out the flaws in your reversion after adding in the synopsis for Refrain #1; still, since it is a beautiful day outside, I will cut right to the chase by reminding you that Wikipedia enjoins that its editors not behave toward episode synopsis pages as a plot summary and to not bite or assume bad faith of the newcomers. Granted, I am not exactly a newcomer; still, I am feeling rather bitten that malice has been assumed as a motive for my efforts. I am not sure what comes across to you as readable; still, there is a certain method to the composition to Wikipedia that I am doing my best to comply and the rules do encourage editors to be bold with their efforts. No matter how much you behave toward me as a vandal, you need to face the fact that I am not going to be a stranger here on the English Wikipedia just as I have with you.

Dairi no Kenkyo (talk) 19:49, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

=December=

DYK nomination of Zigaexperientia
Hello! Your submission of Zigaexperientia at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Bcp67 (talk) 20:27, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

December 2013
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Dispute in P3 film article
Can you please share your thoughts on this matter? I am arguing that the user can't name the animation studio the "producer" of the film, based on current available sources. If the "producer" parameter is reserved for persons' names, shouldn't it be empty in this case? There is also this dispute: "Persona 3 The Movie: Chapter 1, Spring of Birth was produced by AIC ASTA using a team consisting of Persona 4: The Animation's production committee along with a few new additions, hence forming the Persona 3 The Movie Production Committee" isn't backed by any reliable source. Animation staff is not related to production committe members. I think this is a case of WP:SYN; provided sources just list the animation staff of each product. Raamin (talk) 04:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Zigaexperientia
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello there
Hi Juhachi. I am Ryoga Godai. I would like to ask you something regarding an article I'm working on. Cardcaptor Sakura, an article you expanded, is on my watchlist and I must say it's wonderfully written. Well, the article I'm working on is Kimagure Orange Road, by Izumi Matsumoto, and I am kind of stuck. There are 3 novels released, one of them was even adapted to a movie. Should I describe their plot, I mean the novels, or should I just mention what they are about? I know this is out of the blue since I have not had any prior communication with you. However, seeing that you're an active participant of the WP:ANIME project, I wanted to ask. Thank you. ごだい (会話) 12:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Princess Princess
Hey, sorry to bother you. This is about the anime "Princess Princess". Near the end of Episode 2 (~20 min) it's said (in english subtitles) that Yuujirou Shihoudani is the Eastern Princess and Mikoto Yutaka is the Western Princess. So I corrected this in the article because it was the other way round. But you undid it. I'm just wondering now if the translation in the anime is wrong and if you've got better sources to rely on. I hope you don't mind me asking. Anyanka92 (talk) 20:16, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Anthony Appleyard and RMs
Hi Juhachi, Anthony Appleyard is an admin who does a lot of work with technical move requests. In certain cases—you'd have to ask him about the specifics—he'll convert a technical request initially posted at WP:RM, along with the statement contesting it, into a formal RM. So even though in the talk page history it looks like Anthony wrote all of that himself, he's really importing it from elsewhere. It just so happens that in the case of Free! it was Anthony himself who was contesting the request. --BDD (talk) 04:33, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I change a technical request into a discussed request if the request looks queryable, i.e. if it looks like that some people would disagree with it. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:21, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for Barnstar
Want to help me bring Moyasimon: Tales of Agriculture to B-class or GA class? Extremepro (talk) 23:23, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

List of Monogatari novels
Hi,

Just in case: I didn't make those "seasons" up. That's how the novels are divided, according to the author. I thought that would make the whole thing a bit clearer, especially considering the animated series used the "Monogatari Series Second Season" moniker for their adaptation of the novels of... well, the second season (the same thing might happen for the final season, actually). Maybe a short explanation about that in the introduction would help?

As for the details I removed from that introduction:

1) It seems a bit odd to me to indicate that the series began with two volumes released on different days.

2) To say the series began when the first novel was released wouldn't quite be accurate either, as those stories were first serialized in Mephisto (starting in 2005). Hence the change to "the first novel was released in": at least that's accurate (and follows the example of similar articles for manga series, as far as I can tell).

3) I don't quite get the point of talking of the novels from Kizumonogatari to the most recent one as "one group" and of the two Bakemonogatari volumes as one other, as the current formulation does. Why not simply do the same thing as similar articles and list the release dates of the first and last volumes (just the first one, in this case, since the series isn't over, and a mention of the number of volumes available as of xx/xx/xxxx)?

4) Talking about the number of prequels and sequels only serves to muddy the issue, in my opinion, especially considering there's a number of cases that aren't all that clear-cut. Was Nekomonogatari (Black) a prequel? To Bakemonogatari, sure, but it's also a sequel to Kizumonogatari (and that would just be for the time of the action, not the narrator's time). Are we going to start talking about interquels? And the second and final seasons become increasingly complicated, chronologically speaking. Koyomominogatari in particular is tricky, as the stories all take place in different times, even going back to the "prequel period" mentioned earlier.

5) Is it accurate to call Koyomimonogatari a "short-story collection"? It's composed of several episodes (like other books of the series, in fact), but it's not like those were unrelated stand-alone stories that were published separately here and there and eventually collected as one book.

In short: personally, I'd rather stay away from unnecessary, possibly confusing details concerning the chronology (surely, there would be other places to discuss the plot), avoid that seemingly arbitrary division between the Bakemonogatari volumes and everything else, and try to be as accurate as possible. I realize that shortened the paragraph quite a bit, but... Well, one thing that would seem somewhat relevant to mention there would probably be the Mephisto detail mentioned above, as that marks the actual start of the series. Possibly also a quick mention regarding the author's (really) short stories that are published outside of those volumes (in guidebooks, newspapers and such)? What do you think? Erigu (talk) 09:58, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Speculation on Flow (band)
Hi there, I saw that you've been contributing some edits on Flow (band) (like this one) which I think constitute speculation (see WP:CRYSTAL). I've removed this content from the page for now: is this appropriate? See also WP:NM which says "Unreleased material (including demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only recordings) is only notable if it has significant independent coverage in reliable sources." I'd be interested in hearing your opinion. —Mono·nomic 04:48, 22 December 2013 (UTC)